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18 minutes ago, Victory Formation said:

What is it that you don’t like about Boogie, my friend? Please go into detail, what are you seeing?

 

I like his length and his motor but I don't see how he wins off the edge at the pro level. He has average burst, a pretty pedestrian initial step and against bigger tackles who got the first punch in he is stonewalled almost every time. He was a really good college player and he overpowered college tackles but he will not have that same power advantage in the NFL. So if he can't win with speed, and he can't win with power, and he isn't (as surely even you would admit) a refined technician I just don't know how he matches his college success in the pros. I think Basham can be an NFL player, he will start in the league but the guy I see when I watch him is a slightly thicker Manny Lawson. 

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2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I like his length and his motor but I don't see how he wins off the edge at the pro level. He has average burst, a pretty pedestrian initial step and against bigger tackles who got the first punch in he is stonewalled almost every time. He was a really good college player and he overpowered college tackles but he will not have that same power advantage in the NFL. So if he can't win with speed, and he can't win with power, and he isn't (as surely even you would admit) a refined technician I just don't know how he matches his college success in the pros. I think Basham can be an NFL player, he will start in the league but the guy I see when I watch him is a slightly thicker Manny Lawson. 

Surely you mean Shaq Lawson and not Manny Lawson, correct? I see him as being more athletic than Shaq. Obviously he isn’t Reggie White from a power standpoint but I do see him as being able to stop the run. Pretty good from a power standpoint in that respect, he’s clearly a LE. I think his first step is underrated. I like him a lot and he is my favorite pick at 30, but my gut feeling is he won’t be a Bill. We’ll have to agree to disagree my friend but I’m glad you liked the rest of my mock. 👍

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2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I like his length and his motor but I don't see how he wins off the edge at the pro level. He has average burst, a pretty pedestrian initial step and against bigger tackles who got the first punch in he is stonewalled almost every time. He was a really good college player and he overpowered college tackles but he will not have that same power advantage in the NFL. So if he can't win with speed, and he can't win with power, and he isn't (as surely even you would admit) a refined technician I just don't know how he matches his college success in the pros. I think Basham can be an NFL player, he will start in the league but the guy I see when I watch him is a slightly thicker Manny Lawson. 

 

What's your top five wishlist for edge for the Bills?

 

 

 

SB bound. 

 

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11 minutes ago, Victory Formation said:

Surely you mean Shaq Lawson and not Manny Lawson, correct? I see him as being more athletic than Shaq. Obviously he isn’t Reggie White from a power standpoint but I do see him as being able to stop the run. Pretty good from a power standpoint in that respect, he’s clearly a LE. I think his first step is underrated. I like him a lot and he is my favorite pick at 30, but my gut feeling is he won’t be a Bill. We’ll have to agree to disagree my friend but I’m glad you liked the rest of my mock. 👍

 

No I did mean Manny. Yes we disagree on Basham but I like the next group of guys you took.

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22 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

 

What's your top five wishlist for edge for the Bills?

 

 

There is nobody that I am really "wishing" for at edge for the Bills. Kwity Paye is my #1 edge in the class but he will be gone. Then Rousseau and Jaelen Phillips I can see the attraction but there are significant question marks with both. I like Joseph Ossai as a raw, higher ceiling guy but I think he would be more comfortable in a 3-4...... I am not a big Ojulari guy or Basham guy. I suppose Patrick Jones in round 2 or Quincy Roche in round 3 are the two spots where I could see an argument that you can marry the value with the talent and the need. I totally get that edge is our biggest need, I have banged that drum for a while.... but this isn't the best edge class of the last decade by any means. I tried to find a late round gem I could fall in love with at edge as well this past week but not really had much luck. I actually think the Buffalo kid has some skills but again I think he is more of a 3-4 fit...

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1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

There is nobody that I am really "wishing" for at edge for the Bills. Kwity Paye is my #1 edge in the class but he will be gone. Then Rousseau and Jaelen Phillips I can see the attraction but there are significant question marks with both. I like Joseph Ossai as a raw, higher ceiling guy but I think he would be more comfortable in a 3-4...... I am not a big Ojulari guy or Basham guy. I suppose Patrick Jones in round 2 or Quincy Roche in round 3 are the two spots where I could see an argument that you can marry the value with the talent and the need. I totally get that edge is our biggest need, I have banged that drum for a while.... but this isn't the best edge class of the last decade by any means. I tried to find a late round gem I could fall in love with at edge as well this past week but not really had much luck. I actually think the Buffalo kid has some skills but again I think he is more of a 3-4 fit...

 

Jones and Weaver are interesting prospects out of Pittsburgh. Cover1's draft guy was on a podcast the other day talking about how they fit what Beane and McD like at DE. Will be interesting to see. I think the closer we get the more people are kind of questioning the Edge setup here.

 

I will say, I have seen some things that have Paye dropping lower with higher traits guys like Phillips and Rous. going before him. You see him as a fit here if he somehow gets down to 30?

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1 hour ago, whatdrought said:

 

Jones and Weaver are interesting prospects out of Pittsburgh. Cover1's draft guy was on a podcast the other day talking about how they fit what Beane and McD like at DE. Will be interesting to see. I think the closer we get the more people are kind of questioning the Edge setup here.

 

I will say, I have seen some things that have Paye dropping lower with higher traits guys like Phillips and Rous. going before him. You see him as a fit here if he somehow gets down to 30?

 

If Paye is there at #30 he would be a serious consideration I would think. Agree on Jones especially fitting what McD and Beane want. I was saying the same somewhere else earlier in the week. 

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1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

If Paye is there at #30 he would be a serious consideration I would think. Agree on Jones especially fitting what McD and Beane want. I was saying the same somewhere else earlier in the week. 

 

I think we'll get a unique look at what they think Epy can be this year in the first couple rounds. There isn't much to love at edge between picks 30-80, but then there are some intriguing prospects after that, might just not have much role in year one.

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30.

Kwity Paye

EDGE,

61.

Jalen Mayfield

OT,

93.

Hamsah Nasirildeen

S,

161.

Rashad Weaver

EDGE,

174.

Deommodore Lenoir

CB,

213.

Jaelon Darden

WR,

236.

Tay Gowan

CB,

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30: R1 P30 LB Nick Bolton - Missouri

61: R2 P29 G Wyatt Davis - Ohio State

93: R3 P29 WR Demetric Felton - UCLA

161: R5 P17 CB Benjamin St-Juste - Minnesota

174: R5 P30 EDGE Wyatt Hubert - Kansas State

213: R6 P29 CB Keith Taylor - Washington

236: R7 P8 EDGE Chauncey Golston - Iowa

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Round 1 Pick 30: Najee Harris, RB, Alabama (A+)
Round 2 Pick 29: Alim McNeill, DT, North Carolina State (A)
Round 3 Pick 29: Paulson Adebo, CB, Stanford (A+)
Round 5 Pick 17: Pete Werner, ILB/OLB, Ohio State (A+)
Round 5 Pick 30: Amari Rodgers, WR, Clemson (A+)
Round 6 Pick 30: Adetokunbo Ogundeji, DE/OLB, Notre Dame (A+)
Round 7 Pick 8: Wyatt Hubert, DE/OLB, Kansas State (A)

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30.

Najee Harris

RB Alabama

61.

Carlos Basham Jr.

EDGE Wake Forest

93.

Hamsah Nasirildeen

S Florida State

161.

Anthony Schwartz

WR Auburn

174.

Amen Ogbongbemiga

LB Oklahoma State

213.

Tre McKitty

TE Georgia

236.

Wyatt Hubert

EDGE Kansas State

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Rashod Bateman WR Minnesota

Jabril Cox LB • LSU

Tay Gowan CB • UCF

Justin Hilliard LB . Ohio State

Bobby Brown III DI • Texas A&M

Janarius Robinson ED • Florida State

Quintin Morris TE • Bowling Green

Posted

30.

Jayson Oweh

EDGE,


61.

Chazz Surratt

LB,

 

93.

Paulson Adebo

CB,

 

161.

Ihmir Smith-Marsette

WR,

 

174.

Rashad Weaver

EDGE,

 

213.

Michal Menet

IOL,

 

236.

Jimmy Morrissey

IOL,

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30. J. Oweh

61. Q. Meinerz OC/OG Wis. Whitewater

93. T. Tremble TE Notre Dame

161. B. St-Juste CB

174. D. Barnes LB Purdue

213. C. Evan's RB Michigan 

236. T. Slayton DT Florida

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Round 1 Pick 30: Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah, ILB/OLB, Notre Dame (A+)
Round 2 Pick 29: Creed Humphrey, C/OG, Oklahoma (A+)
Round 3 Pick 29: Paulson Adebo, CB, Stanford (A+)
Round 5 Pick 17: Amari Rodgers, WR, Clemson (A+)
Round 5 Pick 30: Daelin Hayes, DE/OLB, Notre Dame (A+)
Round 6 Pick 30: Trill Williams, CB, Syracuse (A+)
Round 7 Pick 8: Wyatt Hubert, DE/OLB, Kansas State (A)
 

Posted
6 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

If Paye is there at #30 he would be a serious consideration I would think. Agree on Jones especially fitting what McD and Beane want. I was saying the same somewhere else earlier in the week. 

Is Patrick Jones worth a pick before round 4?

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30

Round: 1

Nick Bolton

LB | Missouri

61

Round: 2

Alim McNeill

DL | NC State

93

Round: 3

Patrick Jones II

EDGE | Pittsburgh

161

Round: 5

Tay Gowan

CB | UCF

174

Round: 5

Dazz Newsome

WR | North Carolina

213

Round: 6

Victor Dimukeje

EDGE | Duke

236

Round: 7

Olaijah Griffin

CB | USC

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30.

Alijah Vera-Tucker

OG USC

89.

Tyson Campbell

CB Georgia

91.

Chazz Surratt

LB North Carolina

93.

Trey Sermon

RB Ohio State

110.

Janarius Robinson

EDGE Florida State

174.

Erroll Thompson

LB Mississippi State

213.

Justin Hilliard

LB Ohio State

236.

Luke Farrell

TE Ohio State


I traded down with the Browns in the 2nd round and got the extra 3rd

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No trades made in this one. Went heavy on defense:

 

Round 1 (#30): Kwity Paye (EDGE - Michigan) -> Debated between Paye and Farley here but Farley's balky back worries me a little and I felt there would be better value later at CB than at Edge.

 

Round 2 (#61): Dyami Brown (WR - North Carolina) ->I just like this kid. Great vertical threat who can get deep and play in the slot or outside.

 

Round 3 (#93): Paulson Adebo (CB - Stanford) -> Good size and fit in McD's zone. Versatile and I find myself taking him in a lot of mocks.

 

Round 5 (#161): Robert Hainsey (OT - Notre Dame) -> Swing tackle. Adds youth and depth at the OT spot.

 

Round 5 (#174): Joshuah Bledsoe (S - Missouri) -> An infusion of youth at the third S spot and a 'Big Nickel' candidate.

 

Round 6 (#213): Israel Mukuamu (CB - South Carolina) -> Another guy who keeps showing up late and I can't ignore. I don't think he lasts this long. Great size and more competition at CB and another possible Big Nickel candidate.

 

Round 7 (#236): Khyiris Tonga (DT - BYU) -> Help for the DL at the 1 tech.

 

My biggest regret with this mock was not grabbing an interior OL and maybe a RB later. Going heavy at CB/S limited my options. Otherwise, I was happy with it.

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