Two Cheers for the Deep State and Elitism

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, daz28 said:

Public servants are precisely what they are.  They're a mix of Democrats AND republicans who can do their jobs together for the good of the country without political bias.  Trump thought he could fire them all, and tried.  For all the wacky Trumpees listening, the REAL problem is the elected officials.  It was never the deep state

I work with agencies at the State level in California every day. These departments are awash in cubicle workers...many of whom are just there to move the paper, or in some cases slow it down. They have virtually ZERO allegiance to the people they 'serve'.  They are just collecting a paycheck, and hoping nobody notices that there are as many as three people for every one that is actually needed to do the job.

[WideNine]

5 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

1. The constitutional fabric held. It was disturbing to see how fragile it is when men and women of good faith (well, a man of bad faith) do not occupy the positions of power. But in the end the final attempt to stack the Supreme Court prior to the election so that it would reach a result-oriented decision in any election litigation failed. And the final, final attempt to bully the VP into violating his duty to report the electoral college result failed. And the final, final, final attempt to disrupt the operations of the Congress before that business could be completed failed, and failed miserably.

 

2. The Deep State is nothing more than a shorthand for "those in government who see the value in continuity." I honor that as a conservative value. The Deep State is nothing more than the people who understand how we got here, and who have an institutional interest in making sure that honor how that history and push back against wild disruptions in the separation of powers. To paraphrase Chesterton, a man who wants to tear down a fence ought to know the reason the fence was put up in the first place. Trump tore down a lot of fences without understanding why they were erected. Thankfully he was stopped before he was able to tear down the fences that control our electoral system.

 

3. It is easy to criticize elitists. And there's something there: up until Amy Coney Barrett, every single Supreme Court justice had attended Harvard or Yale (RBG attended Harvard, but then transferred to lowly Columbia to finish law school). This is preposterous. Up until Biden, the last President without an Ivy League degree was Reagan, who left office 32 years ago. Surely there is a pool of talent and good sense that hasn't been cultivated in that rarefied atmosphere. But if "elitism" is bad, it doesn't follow that its opposite is good. There is a lot of wisdom and common sense in the ordinary working men and women of America. There is also a lot of foolishness, short-sightedness, and petty, envious score-settling. And boy was that out in force on Wednesday. I have respect for the good sense and values of the common man. I just don't necessarily want him running my government, at least not without leaning heavily on the expertise and experience of the so-called "elite." That's what causes governments to fail miserably when trying to deal with a novel problem like a deadly pandemic. And I really don't want an elitist pandering to the masses by pretending he's one of them, and by rejecting experience and expertise because he thinks he alone is a stable genius.

 

Grow up, America. We need the "Deep State." We depend on "Elitists." There's a damn good reason our republic has lasted 230 years: it was designed by elitists.

 

I usually sense the warning signs of someone being possibly unfit for office when they are caught using campaign funds as hush money for porn stars and their sleazy ambulance-chasing lawyers.

 

Those subtle insights into a person's character can be easily missed by some 

 

Seriously though, it has been like our democracy was infected by a virus and the fever just broke.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[daz28]

5 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

I work with agencies at the State level in California every day. These departments are awash in cubicle workers...many of whom are just there to move the paper, or in some cases slow it down. They have virtually ZERO allegiance to the people they 'serve'.  They are just collecting a paycheck, and hoping nobody notices that there are as many as three people for every one that is actually needed to do the job.

You're trying to make a word mean more than one thing.  They are public servants doing a public service, but you're making it sound like service more as it's their beholden duty than their job.  Don't try to twist my words.  I meant they do their job, just like anyone else.  If I wanted to say do their sovereign duty, I would I have.  I said they do their job

[Motorin']

10 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

90 million ballots in the mail. 

 

I'm sure they're all legit.

 

Atlanta, Philadelphia, Detroit, Milwaukee.  

 

Your cousin died in September?  But you have their mail in ballot mailed directly from the State! and I'm sure in no way does this even happen no way vote by mail for life...

 

 

Here is the NY Times before Year Zero:

 

 

Error and Fraud at Issue as Absentee Voting Rises

 

By Adam Liptak

Oct. 6, 2012

 

...Yet votes cast by mail are less likely to be counted, more likely to be compromised and more likely to be contested than those cast in a voting booth, statistics show. Election officials reject almost 2 percent of ballots cast by mail, double the rate for in-person voting.

 

“The more people you force to vote by mail,” Mr. Sancho said, “the more invalid ballots you will generate.”

 

The trend will probably result in more uncounted votes, and it increases the potential for fraud. While fraud in voting by mail is far less common than innocent errors, it is vastly more prevalent than the in-person voting fraud that has attracted far more attention, election administrators say.

 

In Florida, absentee-ballot scandals seem to arrive like clockwork around election time. Before this year’s primary, for example, a woman in Hialeah was charged with forging an elderly voter’s signature, a felony, and possessing 31 completed absentee ballots, 29 more than allowed under a local law.

 

In the last presidential election, 35.5 million voters requested absentee ballots, but only 27.9 million absentee votes were counted, according to a study by Charles Stewart III, a political scientist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. He calculated that 3.9 million ballots requested by voters never reached them; that another 2.9 million ballots received by voters did not make it back to election officials; and that election officials rejected 800,000 ballots. That suggests an overall failure rate of as much as 21 percent.

 

Some voters presumably decided not to vote after receiving ballots, but Mr. Stewart said many others most likely tried to vote and were thwarted.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/07/us/politics/as-more-vote-by-mail-faulty-ballots-could-impact-elections.html

 

 

This goes for both parties.  

 

Get an ID.  Show up.  Vote.  

 

If you can't or you over slept it isn't the end of the world.  We'll be OK.  

 

Never forget....multiply what we already knew about this scheme times 10 plus added sophisticated cheating during Casedemic

This is sour grapes in the wake of America's changing electorate. Trumpism lost, and will be related to the trash heap of history next to the Confederacy, Jim Crow and the Southern strategy. You're never getting "your" country back. 

[SoCal Deek]

5 hours ago, Motorin' said:

This is sour grapes in the wake of America's changing electorate. Trumpism lost, and will be related to the trash heap of history next to the Confederacy, Jim Crow and the Southern strategy. You're never getting "your" country back. 

That’s actually interesting...so what country are we getting instead? 

[Artful Dodger]

Our constitutional system held up remarkably well, but the forces that elected Trump are not going away.  There's an ever widening gap between regular people and the elites.  It manifests itself in big ways - in economic ways such as ever increasing inequality in wealth and income.  And in smaller stupider cultural ways - one of Speaker Pelosi's first moves after the Democrats retained control of the House was to ban the use of gender specific pronouns.  Or the insistence on calling Hispanics "LatinX."  The so called "elites" are increasingly out of touch.  The conditions that allowed Trump to flourish and get elected were brought about by mismanagement of the elites.

 

If Biden doesn't manage to close that gap, and hopefully he's the right man for the job, there's going to be another populist in four years; a smoother, more plausible version of Trump.  He could be on the right, or he could be on the left, or maybe both.  But he's coming.

Edited January 9, 2021 by Artful Dodger

[Big Gun]

7 hours ago, Motorin' said:

This is sour grapes in the wake of America's changing electorate. Trumpism lost, and will be related to the trash heap of history next to the Confederacy, Jim Crow and the Southern strategy. You're never getting "your" country back. 

You keep thinking that, we'll take back the country by force. You and anyone on your side will get stomped and eliminated if you get in the way! Mussolini anybody!

[TBBills]

4 minutes ago, Big Gun said:

You keep thinking that, we'll take back the country by force. You and anyone on your side will get stomped and eliminated if you get in the way! Mussolini anybody!

You know what always happens... Your side loses and everyone else comes closer together. Take your Nazi thoughts and go back to the deep state website.

Edited January 9, 2021 by TBBills

[T master]

18 hours ago, BillStime said:

Trump lied to you, again.

 

Trump IS the deep state.

 

 

 

 

 

Question if he Trump is the deep state only being there 4 yrs what are those that have been in DC for upward of 25 yrs and have made a career out of politics ? Inquiring minds want to know .

[TBBills]

9 minutes ago, T master said:

 

Question if he Trump is the deep state only being there 4 yrs what are those that have been in DC for upward of 25 yrs and have made a career out of politics ? Inquiring minds want to know .

Trump is a joke, just like Deep state is a joke. Hence Trump is deep state, they are both full of lies that you believe.

Edited January 9, 2021 by TBBills

[T master]

1 minute ago, TBBills said:

Trump is a joke, just like Deep state is a joke. Hence Trump is deep state, they are both lies that you believe.

 

I know I have taken in your wisdom in other posts . 

 

I only wish i could look at things like you do with a totally unbiased opinion that is looked at the same way for all and not just 1 with little to no political bias or hate involved what so ever in my decision making as to who has the best interest of the country and its people the way you do . 

 

 

 

 

[TBBills]

1 minute ago, T master said:

 

I know I have taken in your wisdom in other posts . 

 

I only wish i could look at things like you do with a totally unbiased opinion that is looked at the same way for all and not just 1 with little to no political bias or hate involved what so ever in my decision making as to who has the best interest of the country and its people the way you do . 

 

 

 

 

You don't need to be unbiased just look at the facts at least, especially when it comes to what Trump has done with trying to commit voter fraud. His own appointed judges shot him down, zero evidence except the fake ***** that you have been fed by his propaganda sites he used to brainwash you. 

 

If all that evidence was around why did every one of Trump's lawyers say they had no evidence when infront of the courts... Actually under oath.

[T master]

1 minute ago, TBBills said:

You don't need to be unbiased just look at the facts at least, especially when it comes to what Trump has done with trying to commit voter fraud. His own appointed judges shot him down, zero evidence except the fake ***** that you have been fed by his propaganda sites he used to brainwash you. 

 

If all that evidence was around why did every one of Trump's lawyers say they had no evidence when infront of the courts... Actually under oath.

 

Agree'd if the evidence is there then put up or shut up !! And have never liked the way the Pres. has put some things out on what ever social media BS platform you all look at i don't subscribe to FB,Twitter, Tik Tok , and all the tother garbage i got better things to do with my time rather than be zombified by a phone this and a couple other football sites are about the only site i frequent . 

 

Oh and CL .

 

But to you i say my friend i am far from brain washed as you say i am by either side (i see them for what their actions have shown them to be) and i do try my best to look at this stuff unbiased & with a open mind also with a lot of common sense with in my thinking process .

 

That is why i'm registered as a independent . Because both sides are filled with liars that have a agenda 

 

I for one don't care democrat or republican I look at the actions taken to how i come to a conclusion of the job done .

 

I made up my personal definition a while back that they need to add to Webster's dictionary under the entry of Politician 

 

Politician - A highly educated person that try's to out think common sense ... I think it fits well just look around DC there's not a lot of common sense to go around ...

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

34 minutes ago, T master said:

 

Politician - A highly educated person that try's to out think common sense ... I think it fits well just look around DC there's not a lot of common sense to go around ...

 

 

Politician: Society’s otherwise underachievers who’ll say just about anything to their constituents in order to keep their jobs for another term during which they’ll go right back to doing as little as possible hoping that they than come back and make the same election promises in the next cycle. 

[Big Gun]

3 hours ago, TBBills said:

You know what always happens... Your side loses and everyone else comes closer together. Take your Nazi thoughts and go back to the deep state website.

What a ***** moron you are. 

 

The Nazi thoughts lay with you and your liberal Dem buds in the media, FB, Twitter, YouTube etc who are currently suppressing thoughts and actions of anyone who has a different opinion. ***** you!

[TBBills]

52 minutes ago, Big Gun said:

What a ***** moron you are. 

 

The Nazi thoughts lay with you and your liberal Dem buds in the media, FB, Twitter, YouTube etc who are currently suppressing thoughts and actions of anyone who has a different opinion. ***** you!

Just like what Billsfans.com and Trump does... he will just call the truth fake news and feed you bull####. Hmm hypocrite...

Edited January 9, 2021 by TBBills

[US Egg]

Three Cheers for the Red, White and Blue !

 

Go Bills !

[SoTier]

 

On 1/8/2021 at 5:07 PM, Big Blitz said:

 

90 million ballots in the mail. 

 

I'm sure they're all legit.

 

Atlanta, Philadelphia, Detroit, Milwaukee.  

 

Your cousin died in September?  But you have their mail in ballot mailed directly from the State! and I'm sure in no way does this even happen no way vote by mail for life...

 

 

Here is the NY Times before Year Zero:

 

 

Error and Fraud at Issue as Absentee Voting Rises

 

By Adam Liptak

Oct. 6, 2012

 

...Yet votes cast by mail are less likely to be counted, more likely to be compromised and more likely to be contested than those cast in a voting booth, statistics show. Election officials reject almost 2 percent of ballots cast by mail, double the rate for in-person voting.

 

“The more people you force to vote by mail,” Mr. Sancho said, “the more invalid ballots you will generate.”

 

The trend will probably result in more uncounted votes, and it increases the potential for fraud. While fraud in voting by mail is far less common than innocent errors, it is vastly more prevalent than the in-person voting fraud that has attracted far more attention, election administrators say.

 

In Florida, absentee-ballot scandals seem to arrive like clockwork around election time. Before this year’s primary, for example, a woman in Hialeah was charged with forging an elderly voter’s signature, a felony, and possessing 31 completed absentee ballots, 29 more than allowed under a local law.

 

In the last presidential election, 35.5 million voters requested absentee ballots, but only 27.9 million absentee votes were counted, according to a study by Charles Stewart III, a political scientist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. He calculated that 3.9 million ballots requested by voters never reached them; that another 2.9 million ballots received by voters did not make it back to election officials; and that election officials rejected 800,000 ballots. That suggests an overall failure rate of as much as 21 percent.

 

Some voters presumably decided not to vote after receiving ballots, but Mr. Stewart said many others most likely tried to vote and were thwarted.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/07/us/politics/as-more-vote-by-mail-faulty-ballots-could-impact-elections.html

 

 

This goes for both parties.  

 

Get an ID.  Show up.  Vote.  

 

If you can't or you over slept it isn't the end of the world.  We'll be OK.  

 

Never forget....multiply what we already knew about this scheme times 10 plus added sophisticated cheating during Casedemic

 

                       

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Buftex]

9 hours ago, TBBills said:

Just like what Billsfans.com and Trump does... he will just call the truth fake news and feed you bull####. Hmm hypocrite...

The sad thing is, the Trump cult has zero ability to see themeselves. I feel sorry for them...they have lost their collective minds.  Those poor fools who lost their lives for this foolishness are mentally ill.  

Edited January 10, 2021 by Buftex

[Niagara Bill]

73,000,000 people voted for either this type of behavior, or for their 401k. 

73,000,000 people knowingly voted for a racist liar, who turned on fellow Republicans monthly during the past 4 years, 

73,000,000 people ignored, or supported a man who obviously reduced the respect of the US internationally

73,000,000 people voted for a man who disrespected citizens across the country just because the governor or mayor if their stare or city belonged to a different party.

73,000,000 people voted for a guy who did nothing and even failed to acknowledge 20,000,000 cases and 300,000 deaths from Covid, who disrepected and accused their doctors if inflating the number if deaths

 

Impeachment will not stop this lunacy, it is part of the DNA of the country.