JoPoy88 Posted January 8, 2021 Posted January 8, 2021 29 minutes ago, Returntoglory said: Thank you. BUT for the record, if he was promised to have a sit down with a candidate, that should be honored. Once again though, he's a player and at what point does this end? If he gives his opinion on a candidate and that candidate does not get selected, then what? I'm sorry but IMHO there has to be a line drawn. It starts and ends with the owner keeping his word and not alienating his top employee. That’s it. You bending over backwards trying to find a slippery slope isn’t fooling anyone. There isn’t one in this case. The owner (again, allegedly) went back on his word. He’s an imbecile.
Returntoglory Posted January 8, 2021 Posted January 8, 2021 1 minute ago, JoPoy88 said: It starts and ends with the owner keeping his word and not alienating his top employee. That’s it. You bending over backwards trying to find a slippery slope isn’t fooling anyone. There isn’t one in this case. The owner (again, allegedly) went back on his word. He’s an imbecile. "You bending over backwards trying to find a slippery slope isn’t fooling anyone"? Seriously?
GunnerBill Posted January 8, 2021 Posted January 8, 2021 13 minutes ago, mannc said: Fair enough, but you're talking about two more years in the wilderness with an unhappy franchise QB who has a limited number of years of high productivity, who's not very big, and who has taken quite a beating in his first four years in the league. I think Watson has the ability to force their hand, if he wants to. Oh he absolutely can force their hand but to do it this year I think he would have to make a very big noise. And then you get to possible trade partners. The best offers the Texans can get give them two #1s in this draft but they are in the AFC and one would presume they would much rather send him to the other conference. I think there is enough smoke in the last 24 hours that I'd revise my 0% chance of it happening this year up.... but I still think it is more than 10% likely.
billsfan1959 Posted January 8, 2021 Posted January 8, 2021 2 hours ago, No_Matter_What said: I just read similar article on NFL.com and came here to say almost exact same thing. Isn't it weird that player is unhappy that he wasn't part of the process of selecting GM? I get that Watson is an important player but why on earth should he have any word in GM hiring? Doesn't make any sense to me. He shouldn't
Patrick Duffy Posted January 8, 2021 Posted January 8, 2021 I think it's possible. Depending on the new coach and GM I guess. Considering how they are in a bad position in the draft I think if a teams offers a hefty price (1st round picks etc) they could pull the trigger. If it gets to the point where he is saying he wants to get traded and some team that's sitting pretty in the draft with early 1st round picks, yeah I could see it happening. It's very likely going to take multiple 1st round picks and maybe a 2nd I would imagine and with the Texans having much of nothing for draft picks, they might get a start on rebuilding. Will be interesting to see how it plays out. Hope he doesn't end up in our division though if it does happen.
mannc Posted January 8, 2021 Posted January 8, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Oh he absolutely can force their hand but to do it this year I think he would have to make a very big noise. And then you get to possible trade partners. The best offers the Texans can get give them two #1s in this draft but they are in the AFC and one would presume they would much rather send him to the other conference. I think there is enough smoke in the last 24 hours that I'd revise my 0% chance of it happening this year up.... but I still think it is more than 10% likely. Well, the status quo is not acceptable. They just hired a new GM who has literally nothing to work with other than a (disgruntled) franchise QB who got them three wins this past season. They could get both the Jets' first rounders, plus one of their seconds, plus Darnold, who at least gives them something to work with at QB. Then maybe they trade down from the second overall pick and get even more premium picks. Risky, yes, but their current situation is untenable. Edited January 8, 2021 by mannc 1
FastFreddy22 Posted January 8, 2021 Posted January 8, 2021 I think there is little to no chance he is traded....that would be an awful first move for the new GM unless he is getting the jags first pick and next years first pick and a second this year from them.
TheFunPolice Posted January 8, 2021 Posted January 8, 2021 Imagine being the new hc there... "Well, the one plus is Watson"
Patrick Duffy Posted January 8, 2021 Posted January 8, 2021 1 minute ago, billsfan1959 said: He shouldn't Yeah he shouldn't for the most part. But it's kinda obvious that he doesn't have trust in the owner considering how things have been the last couple years. I honestly can't blame him either.
DrDawkinstein Posted January 8, 2021 Posted January 8, 2021 10 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: He shouldn't Then the owner shouldnt have gone out of his way to tell Watson he WOULD be a part of it.
GunnerBill Posted January 8, 2021 Posted January 8, 2021 6 minutes ago, mannc said: Well, the status quo is not acceptable. They just hired a new GM who has literally nothing to work with other than a (disgruntled) franchise QB who got them three wins this past season. They could get both the Jets' first rounders, plus one of their seconds, plus Darnold, who at least gives them something to work with at QB. Then maybe they trade down from the second overall pick and get even more premium picks. Risky, yes, but their current situation is untenable. It is not what I'd do. I would stand pat. Suffer the pain of another difficult season in 2021 and use my space to completely make over the team for 2022. But you are right that requires you to get Watson onside which is why it is vital he buys in to the Head Coach hire and the plan. If you just wanna hire whoever you want as Head Coach without Watson's input then you have to consider the trade and rebuild option. I still would send him to the NFC though if I were them.
billsfan1959 Posted January 8, 2021 Posted January 8, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Then the owner shouldnt have gone out of his way to tell Watson he WOULD be a part of it. Not disagreeing with you on that point. They created their own problem. The point still stands. Watson should have no part in hiring a GM. Edited January 8, 2021 by billsfan1959
JoPoy88 Posted January 8, 2021 Posted January 8, 2021 36 minutes ago, Returntoglory said: "You bending over backwards trying to find a slippery slope isn’t fooling anyone"? Seriously? “Where does it stop”.... ”A line has to be drawn somewhere”.... Your words. What would you call it? So yeah, seriously.
Returntoglory Posted January 8, 2021 Posted January 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said: “Where does it stop”.... ”A line has to be drawn somewhere”.... Your words. What would you call it? So yeah, seriously. Obviously we have different views on this subject and most likely many other issues, football related and otherwise. As I stated earlier, if he was promised a sit down to share his thoughts and views by the owner, then that promise should have been honored.
Alphadawg7 Posted January 8, 2021 Author Posted January 8, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, prissythecat said: As an owner, why would you ever take input from your players (employees) on the GM selection process. Thats just silly. In the end , football is a business and owners select who they feel will serve their interests the best. 4 hours ago, No_Matter_What said: I just read similar article on NFL.com and came here to say almost exact same thing. Isn't it weird that player is unhappy that he wasn't part of the process of selecting GM? I get that Watson is an important player but why on earth should he have any word in GM hiring? Doesn't make any sense to me. 3 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Yea I agree. Giving your franchise QB input on a coaching hire I get. They have to be able to co-exist or else you have trouble. But the GM? How often does the franchise QB actually HAVE to deal with the GM? It is not like you are gonna let Watson review your draft board...... although given he is the only good thing about the organisation at the moment maybe they should! Haha. He couldn't do worse than Billy O. I don’t necessarily disagree, but this situation is a bit of an outlier, so do I disagree here as it starts and stops with the fact it’s reported the Texans said they would consult with Watson about the GM hire and then did not keep their word. Watson has been saddled with a team whose entire demise is solely linked to the moves of their GM, coincidentally who was also their HC as O’Brien was substantially worse GM than HC. If I’m Watson, I am personally heavily interested in who they bring in as GM because I’ve watched terrible front office decisions literally take what should be a perennial playoff team with an elite QB become a 4 win team and not even have the 4th overall draft pick that comes with winning just 4 games. And if I am the Houston Texans, I am heavily invested into keeping Watson comfortable and optimistic. I’m making sure that he has confidence in where we are going and keeping my word to him. I mean, why would Watson trust this team at all after they gave that moron O’Brien all that power and didn’t fire him sooner before he could really screw them further trading guys like Hopkins? Then they promise him they would consult with him about the higher and didn’t? I’d be pissed too if I was Watson. At this point, they should be doing everything they can to regain Watson’s trust and optimism. He is their entire franchise. He is the leader of that team and the guy out on the field giving them any hope. And if I am Watson, I’m looking at the team for signs for optimism. Edited January 8, 2021 by Alphadawg7 1
Alphadawg7 Posted January 8, 2021 Author Posted January 8, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: I disagree slightly with this. I think 2021 will be tough but 2022 they have 9 picks and only Watson and Howard with any guaranteed money on the cap. It is a completely blank sheet of paper to rebuild from and you have the most important piece in place. With solid decision making it needn't be a long rebuild in Houston. But now you’re talking 4+ years before they can start to contend again. You think Watson wants to wait 4-5 years before playing meaningful football? That for me is the big issue. Not whether Texans want to trade him, but is Watson seeing any light at the end of the tunnel sooner than that and does he want to waste that much time if not. Edited January 8, 2021 by Alphadawg7
TheFunPolice Posted January 8, 2021 Posted January 8, 2021 (edited) I just don't see how a trade makes sense for the Texans, especially since O'Brien is gone. If he was still there I could see Watson and a future 1st for Kirk Cousins and a 7th. But now? IF the Texans trade Watson, they immediately need to replace him with a top 10 QB. Assuming they were able to get the Jets pick, for example, and assuming Fields is there and works out well, they basically hope to eventually break even, once Fields develops. Look at it this way: the Texans have a million dollars, and they would be investing that million for a CHANCE at a million. All risk, little upside. Edited January 8, 2021 by TheFunPolice 1
GunnerBill Posted January 8, 2021 Posted January 8, 2021 Just now, Alphadawg7 said: But know you’re talking 4+ years before they can start to contend again. You think Watson wants to wait 4-5 years before laying meaningful football? That for me is the big issue. Not whether Texans want to trade him, but is Watson seeing any light at the end of the tunnel sooner than that and does he want to waste that much time if not. I don't think you are. I think they can be good in 2022. Maybe Superbowl good, yes... maybe 4 years... but I think that with good decision making they can be a playoff team again in 2022.
mannc Posted January 8, 2021 Posted January 8, 2021 12 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: I don’t necessarily disagree, but this situation is a bit of an outlier, so do I disagree here as it starts and stops with the fact it’s reported the Texans said they would consult with Watson about the GM hire and then did not keep their word. Watson has been saddled with a team whose entire demise is solely linked to the moves of their GM, coincidentally who was also their HC as O’Brien was substantially worse GM than HC. If I’m Watson, I am personally heavily interested in who they bring in as GM because I’ve watched terrible front office decisions literally take what should be a perennial playoff team with an elite QB become a 4 win team and not even have the 4th overall draft pick that comes with winning just 4 games. And if I am the Houston Texans, I am heavily invested into keeping Watson comfortable and optimistic. I’m making sure that he has confidence in where we are going and keeping my word to him. I mean, why would Watson trust this team at all after they gave that moron O’Brien all that power and didn’t fire him sooner before he could really screw them further trading guys like Hopkins? The they promise him they would consult with him about the hurler and didn’t? I’d be pissed too if I was Watson. At this point, they should be doing everything they can to regain Watson’s trust and optimism. He is their entire franchise. He is the leader of that team and the guy out on the field giving them any hope. And if I am Watson, I’m looking at the team for signs for optimism. Agree with all this. Here's another thing to think about: Watson is not some loose cannon knucklehead like Cam Newton; he is highly respected and by all accounts, a great guy and an ultimate team guy. If the Texans screw over a guy like Watson, it makes them look even worse than they already do. 2 1
TheFunPolice Posted January 8, 2021 Posted January 8, 2021 Texans are easily the worst opening right now. Toxic culture, a seemingly untrustworthy Easterby (the former team chaplain) running the show, no draft picks, disgruntled star QB. We've seen the importance of culture and morale on winning. Houston is a mess, and it doesn't sound like it is getting better. 2
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