Does the bills success continue without daboll?

[Steptide]

I would like to think Josh and the offense have come far enough, that they arnt relying solely on daboll when the offense is running smooth and winning. I think all of us here want daboll back next year, but it's gonna be awfully tough to keep him unless the Pegulas make him a ridiculous offer. 

 

Having said that, I worry if he leaves. I can think of 2 major examples of an oc leaving a team for a hc position, only to have that team fall apart. The 2016 falcons who made it to the superbowl and lost their oc to the 9ers and the 2018 eagles who lost their oc to the Colts only to become terrible. I'm sure there are many more examples, but those just come to mind in recent years 

 

I know McDermott has built a new culture and team since he came here, so my hope is that whichever oc steps in, can pick up right where daboll left off

 

 

[Doc Brown]

It's difficult to tell.  Ken Dorsey seems like the logical choice to keep the scheme in place but it's nerve wracking because he doesn't have a history of calling plays.  Bills changed offensive coordinators during the Kelly years and they still thrived if it makes you feel any better.  Brady's had many different offensive coordinators.

[BBills88]

If they do what the Patriots did for TB, it would work. He basically had the same playbook throughout his career.

Edited January 7, 2021 by BBills88

[Charles Romes]

My view is that Josh would have made many OCs look good given the same opportunity that Daboll had. 

[Rc2catch]

There’s no way someone comes in here and tries to change what Allen is doing successfully this season. 
Atlanta went from shanahan to Sarkasian I think. That’s an extremely great run scheme to a bad pass offense. 
No way would we replace Daboll with a completely different philosophy. 
Allen knows what he likes, what’s been successful is on film, whoever would take over needs to add to that. 

[CaptnCoke11]

11 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

It's difficult to tell.  Ken Dorsey seems like the logical choice to keep the scheme in place but it's nerve wracking because he doesn't have a history of calling plays.  Bills changed offensive coordinators during the Kelly years and they still thrived if it makes you feel any better.  Brady's had many different offensive coordinators.

I highly doubt Daboll will leave his playbook here.  Sure they’ll be able to keep some of the concepts but it will be a different offense whoever gets the job.  

[longtimebillsfan]

Why not let Josh start calling his own game?

[TBBills]

Yea b.c it's Josh that executes the plan.

[Magox]

Depends.  As long as Josh Allen plays the offense will always at the very least be pretty good even with a bad OC, but with a good OC the offense will be a juggernaut.   Just gotta make sure that we keep surrounding him with a good O line and weapons.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

I think there may be a drop off. You can argue that Josh made Daboll look good. That’s probably partially true. 
 

But Daboll’s playcalling this year has just been superb. Unpredictable, aggressive, creative. It seems to change too week to week. His playcalling in the red zone in particular has been brilliant. 
 

Hopefully if Dorsey is the guy, he has learned enough to be able to call at least similar plays and similar games. (Though I also worry that Dorsey could go with Daboll— I don’t know how close they are). 

[CaliBills]

3 minutes ago, TBBills said:

Yea b.c it's Josh that executes the plan.

Agreed.

 

I think Josh is not some joe schmoe that doesn't understand x's and o's.  McDermott would hire either in house or someone that will keep the same offensive schemes while keeping a playbook similar to what they run now and evolve it and add wrinkles to enhance the strengths of the team.  

 

IE, the bills get a stud running back. They could incorporate different looks via i formation, or more Josh under center etc.

Josh is the steady variable in this equation, and now with his knowledge of defenses (both man and zone) he can have valid input in the schemes etc.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

Play calling, play design and setting up plays is very strategic and when you find a guy that can do it well you don’t let them leave. 
 

When we lose Daboll I am expecting a drop in offensive production.

[JohnNord]

22 minutes ago, Steptide said:

I would like to think Josh and the offense have come far enough, that they arnt relying solely on daboll when the offense is running smooth and winning. I think all of us here want daboll back next year, but it's gonna be awfully tough to keep him unless the Pegulas make him a ridiculous offer. 

 

Having said that, I worry if he leaves. I can think of 2 major examples of an oc leaving a team for a hc position, only to have that team fall apart. The 2016 falcons who made it to the superbowl and lost their oc to the 9ers and the 2018 eagles who lost their oc to the Colts only to become terrible. I'm sure there are many more examples, but those just come to mind in recent years 

 

I know McDermott has built a new culture and team since he came here, so my hope is that whichever oc steps in, can pick up right where daboll left off

 

 

If this was 2019, I would be concerned because it seemed like Daboll consistently found a way to get WR’s open.  This year, I think Josh has taken some pretty big steps on his own.  
 

I don’t see Josh’s improvement as only being a bi-product of Daboll’s offense in the way that Sean McVay was responsible for improving Jared Goff.  I think Josh took a lot of those steps on his own.

 

With that being said, I’m not sure if we’ll see Josh duplicate the numbers this season in 2021.  But I also don’t see major regression either.

 

As far as OC, it will be an interesting choice.  You have internal candidates like Ken Dorsey or Chad Hall who probably would be good.  But McDermott might also get a lot of interest from coaches that want a chance to work with Allen, Diggs, Beasley, etc...

[loveorhatembillsfan4life]

I think Dorsey is possibly the logical choice if they stay in house. But Sal C made a good point on Wgr.
 

He mentioned that there would probably be a lineup of coaches who would love to come in here and coach Josh and this squad. They should have options. Mcd just needs to make sure he gets it right. 

[Beast]

25 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

It's difficult to tell.  Ken Dorsey seems like the logical choice to keep the scheme in place but it's nerve wracking because he doesn't have a history of calling plays.  Bills changed offensive coordinators during the Kelly years and they still thrived if it makes you feel any better.  Brady's had many different offensive coordinators.

 

What if Daboll and Dorsey are best buddies and Dorsey goes to serve as Daboll's OC?

[Malazan]

Does Daboll's success continue without Allen? 

 

My take, neither will quite as successful as they are together. Daboll has been OC before and never had this level of success. Having the talent the Bills do on offense allows you to do a lot more schematically than you would with less talent. 

[Doc Brown]

6 minutes ago, Beast said:

 

What if Daboll and Dorsey are best buddies and Dorsey goes to serve as Daboll's OC?

Could happen but you'd think Dorsey would want to be an offensive coordinator with a head coach known for his defense.

[Penfield45]

Has Daboll ever had a top 10 offense as an OC before he had Allen? 
 

that should answer your question 

[die hard bills fan]

5 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said:

Does Daboll's success continue without Allen? 

 

My take, neither will quite as successful as they are together. Daboll has been OC before and never had this level of success. Having the talent the Bills do on offense allows you to do a lot more schematically than you would with less talent. 

Agree.  Daboll is an excellent play caller and  with Allen's talent Daboll can come up with schemes/plays that would not be available to him with a lesser QB.

How would he do with a qb with a weak arm who can't throw it down field or a statue who is not a running threat?

[Augie]

44 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

It's difficult to tell.  Ken Dorsey seems like the logical choice to keep the scheme in place but it's nerve wracking because he doesn't have a history of calling plays.  Bills changed offensive coordinators during the Kelly years and they still thrived if it makes you feel any better.  Brady's had many different offensive coordinators.

 

It felt to me like Kelly and Brady were the OC’s, but I get your point. 

 

One thing that makes me feel a little better is it’s not ALL scheme. Not all Daboll.  Josh has worked on his accuracy with amazing results. That’s not Daboll, for the most part. If Josh can hit them in stride to allow for YAC that’s a huge step forward. 

 

I trust McD and the FO to find the best possible replacement, if it comes to that. If we continue to light things up, it’s almost impossible not to lose Daboll. That, my friends, is the price of success.