SCBills Posted April 23, 2021 Posted April 23, 2021 On 3/21/2021 at 4:39 PM, Backintheday544 said: The GOPs biggest issue is that they try to govern and win elections with fear. We saw it this election (and every one ever), if the Democrats win the US will be a socialist country. If Dems win they will take your guns. If we allow gay marriage people will have sex with ducks (actual GOP talking point). And so on. Biden is such a vanilla candidate and so centrist it’s hard for them to run a campaign against him using his same old tactics. The Dems pushed healthcare Obama term 1 and did an awful job of marketing it. ACA always polled exceptionally strong when they polled the individual things ACA did. Republicans got ahead of the fear mongering with lies like the death care panels. Them getting ahead of messaging killed the Dems in mid-terms. The Republicans are already trying to setup their boogeyman this election cycle with immigration. They already have a favorable path in the House but I don’t think you’ll see the gains post Obamacare because it doesn’t seem to be resonating except to Trumps base. This is just politics. It’s why our two party system is simply a tool used to divide people. The most effective way to divide people is through fear. GOP absolutely does this. Guess what... so do the Dems. Biden built an entire campaign on COVID fear mongering. Look at polling of Democratic voters on issues of race & COVID.... an absurd amount believe that black people are more likely to be killed by police than in a car accident, and an even larger believe COVID hospitalization rates are 10-20x the actual number. This is all pushed by Democrats and Corporate Media. Nothing screams fear louder than honestly thinking what happened on 1/6 was an “insurrection”... yet most on the left side of the aisle - urged to do so by Dem politicians/media, that apparently have never paid attention to uprisings in other countries, believe this nonsense. Instilling fear wins elections, and our electorate, both on the left and right, fall for it every time. 1
Backintheday544 Posted April 23, 2021 Posted April 23, 2021 9 hours ago, SCBills said: This is just politics. It’s why our two party system is simply a tool used to divide people. The most effective way to divide people is through fear. GOP absolutely does this. Guess what... so do the Dems. Biden built an entire campaign on COVID fear mongering. Look at polling of Democratic voters on issues of race & COVID.... an absurd amount believe that black people are more likely to be killed by police than in a car accident, and an even larger believe COVID hospitalization rates are 10-20x the actual number. This is all pushed by Democrats and Corporate Media. Nothing screams fear louder than honestly thinking what happened on 1/6 was an “insurrection”... yet most on the left side of the aisle - urged to do so by Dem politicians/media, that apparently have never paid attention to uprisings in other countries, believe this nonsense. Instilling fear wins elections, and our electorate, both on the left and right, fall for it every time. Is it fear mongering if there are already over 500,000 dead? Biden didn’t really run a COVID will overrun the country if you don’t vote for me. He mainly ran a I’m not Trump campaign. At worst he ran a, I’m not a dumb ass when it comes to COVID like the current admin campaign. Like Republicans tell you 1) they will take your guns or 2) elect them and we will be socialists. None of those will happen but they scare people into it. 330 million Americans. Say a 1 percent death rate with COVID. If left to run rampant, that’s 3.3 million dead. That’s like something that could actually happen. (Again I don’t think Biden ran a COVID campaign but an I’m not Trump campaign). It has a great probability of the Dems taking everyone’s guns.
aristocrat Posted April 23, 2021 Posted April 23, 2021 22 hours ago, BillStime said: Another state I would NEVER move to.... What would you do with the kid? If you’re gonna kill the kid at least give it a proper burial
Buffarukus Posted April 23, 2021 Posted April 23, 2021 13 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said: At worst he ran a, I’m not a dumb ass when it comes to COVID like the current admin campaign. as far as i can tell he has 1) implemented a 2 mask rule 🙄 2) advocated extended shutdowns in states while condemning those who wish to open..statistics show they are in no worse and many cases better, so they were right he is wrong but still continues. 3) opened the border and has thousands of untested illegal alien coming into the US while other nations are blocking their borders due to covid. he provided less relief then trump did. where is the good? id say he wears the mask or masks (even though he does not have to as he is innoculated) to be a example for others..thats it. he doesnt even have news briefings about any of the issues from 2) 3) and even passed off 3) to somone that hasnt even visited the states that have been declaring a CRISIS for months. im down to hear what im missing. 1
BillStime Posted April 23, 2021 Posted April 23, 2021 9 hours ago, SCBills said: This is just politics. It’s why our two party system is simply a tool used to divide people. The most effective way to divide people is through fear. GOP absolutely does this. Guess what... so do the Dems. Biden built an entire campaign on COVID fear mongering. Look at polling of Democratic voters on issues of race & COVID.... an absurd amount believe that black people are more likely to be killed by police than in a car accident, and an even larger believe COVID hospitalization rates are 10-20x the actual number. This is all pushed by Democrats and Corporate Media. Nothing screams fear louder than honestly thinking what happened on 1/6 was an “insurrection”... yet most on the left side of the aisle - urged to do so by Dem politicians/media, that apparently have never paid attention to uprisings in other countries, believe this nonsense. Instilling fear wins elections, and our electorate, both on the left and right, fall for it every time.
SCBills Posted April 24, 2021 Posted April 24, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Buffarukus said: as far as i can tell he has 1) implemented a 2 mask rule 🙄 2) advocated extended shutdowns in states while condemning those who wish to open..statistics show they are in no worse and many cases better, so they were right he is wrong but still continues. 3) opened the border and has thousands of untested illegal alien coming into the US while other nations are blocking their borders due to covid. he provided less relief then trump did. where is the good? id say he wears the mask or masks (even though he does not have to as he is innoculated) to be a example for others..thats it. he doesnt even have news briefings about any of the issues from 2) 3) and even passed off 3) to somone that hasnt even visited the states that have been declaring a CRISIS for months. im down to hear what im missing. He shows empathy, which a lot of people certainly hope for in a leader. Acknowledging the Armenian genocide & agreeing with the prior admin to pull out of Afghanistan are worthy of praise in my book. The rest is either too early to tell, or a product of our corporate media being state propaganda. How Trump did Operation Warp Speed, yet Biden gets the credit for vaccination rollout is beyond me. Trump told all of us we’d have ample vaccines by now, and he was “fact checked” as a liar... yet here we are. My biggest issue with Trump was how divisive he was in his bombast... but now Biden is just as divisive in his subtlety. He’s proving to be no better a uniter than 45. What’s happening at the border is a straight up humanitarian crisis. You can be for things like amnesty (as I am) and still say the obvious part out loud. Furthermore, the Biden Admin has banned press coverage at the border. Are you kidding me!?... But hey... Jen Psaki gave the press pool cookies today. Biden’s characterization of the GA Voting Law was an absolute disgrace. And there are parts of it that I do disagree with, but the Jim Crow comparison is such a race baiting, inflammatory thing for him to stoop to. At best, Biden gets an incomplete grade so far. At worst, he’s been trash and is propped up by media and random polls that have a 65% Dem sample. Edited April 24, 2021 by SCBills
Backintheday544 Posted April 24, 2021 Posted April 24, 2021 17 minutes ago, Buffarukus said: as far as i can tell he has 1) implemented a 2 mask rule 🙄 2) advocated extended shutdowns in states while condemning those who wish to open..statistics show they are in no worse and many cases better, so they were right he is wrong but still continues. 3) opened the border and has thousands of untested illegal alien coming into the US while other nations are blocking their borders due to covid. he provided less relief then trump did. where is the good? id say he wears the mask or masks (even though he does not have to as he is innoculated) to be a example for others..thats it. he doesnt even have news briefings about any of the issues from 2) 3) and even passed off 3) to somone that hasnt even visited the states that have been declaring a CRISIS for months. im down to hear what im missing. I said how he ran. Not what he’s doing. Trump ran on a Mexico will pay for the wall. That’s obviously not what happened. 10 minutes ago, SCBills said: He shows empathy, which a lot of people certainly hope for in a leader. Acknowledging the Armenian genocide & agreeing with the prior admin to pull out of Afghanistan are worthy of praise in my book. The rest is either too early to tell, or a product of our corporate media being state propaganda. How Trump did Operation Warp Speed, yet Biden gets the credit for vaccination rollout is beyond me. Trump told all of us we’d have ample vaccines by now, and he was “fact checked” as a liar... yet here we are. My biggest issue with Trump was how divisive he was in his bombast... but now Biden is just as divisive in his subtlety. He’s proving to be no better a uniter than 45. What’s happening at the border is a straight up humanitarian crisis. You can be for things like amnesty (as I am) and still say the obvious part out loud. Furthermore, the Biden Admin has banned press coverage at the border. Are you kidding me!?... But hey... Jen Psaki gave the press pool cookies today. Biden’s characterization of the GA Voting Law was an absolute disgrace. And there are parts of it that I do disagree with, but the Jim Crow comparison is such a race baiting, inflammatory thing for him to stoop to. At best, Biden gets an incomplete grade so far. At worst, he’s been trash and is propped up by media and random polls that have a 65% Dem sample. Running up to the election the right liked to post Rasmussen approval ratings for Trump: https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/biden_administration/biden_approval_index_history Biden is at 51 percent on Rasmussen a very right leaning pollster. Biden from a polling standpoint with Rasmussen has been doing much better than Trump.
Buffarukus Posted April 24, 2021 Posted April 24, 2021 14 minutes ago, SCBills said: He shows empathy, which a lot of people certainly hope for in a leader. i can see how some get comfort from words. i prefer actions. i pointed to some that are negative imo. no empathy to for the small buisnesses that are still locked down. i think we need some empathy for those who were victims of governance that sentanced their parents grandparents to death. this wasn't a accident as they hid the info and pulled their own loved ones out. seems quite news wise for the a major coverup that knowingly costs thousands of lives. 19 minutes ago, SCBills said: Acknowledging the Armenian genocide & agreeing with the prior admin to pull out of Afghanistan are worthy of praise in my book. i agree with this but so is making peace deals. actions not words..again the rest you seem level headed about and i can accept wait and see approach. i hope he does well for this country. my main gripe is the people who say there is some great changes and night and day. im just not seeing anything of substance yet. 1
SCBills Posted April 24, 2021 Posted April 24, 2021 5 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said: I said how he ran. Not what he’s doing. Trump ran on a Mexico will pay for the wall. That’s obviously not what happened. Running up to the election the right liked to post Rasmussen approval ratings for Trump: https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/biden_administration/biden_approval_index_history Biden is at 51 percent on Rasmussen a very right leaning pollster. Biden from a polling standpoint with Rasmussen has been doing much better than Trump. The right loves to cite polls when they favor them, yet the polls are far too frequently off and/or manipulated for desired outcome, so they then criticize them as such when they don’t go their way. I find it EXTREMELY hard to believe Biden is 50%+ approval. His support relies on black communities and leftist/moderate Dems... that leaves him with low approval from most Republicans, Libertarians and Bernie wing Liberals with Indy’s split. No chance that approval is north of 50% Although, something tells me - even those polls - would drop if journalists cared to do their job and force the issue at the border.
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted April 24, 2021 Posted April 24, 2021 22 hours ago, BillStime said: Another state I would NEVER move to.... as if the rivers and mountains didn’t already make it appealing enough.
Buffarukus Posted April 24, 2021 Posted April 24, 2021 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said: I said how he ran. Not what he’s doing. Trump ran on a Mexico will pay for the wall. That’s obviously not what happened. Running up to the election the right liked to post Rasmussen approval ratings for Trump: https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/biden_administration/biden_approval_index_history Biden is at 51 percent on Rasmussen a very right leaning pollster. Biden from a polling standpoint with Rasmussen has been doing much better than Trump. your right. you did say that. listen im not a trump fanatic. but i also see a clear difference in the way the media handles the two. they seem to not really care. i mean children in cages was top story for weeks. every move trump did was maticulously scrutinized and im perfectly fine with holding power accountable. but biden is in just as bad or worse decisions/positions and the media and everyone else has gently gone to sleep. i havent and dont plan to but when the media goes from orange man bad and not old man bad. thats a issue that will always effect approval..and the stories that are important. Edited April 24, 2021 by Buffarukus 1
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted April 24, 2021 Posted April 24, 2021 6 minutes ago, SCBills said: The right loves to cite polls when they favor them, yet the polls are far too frequently off and/or manipulated for desired outcome, so they then criticize them as such when they don’t go their way. I find it EXTREMELY hard to believe Biden is 50%+ approval. His support relies on black communities and leftist/moderate Dems... that leaves him with low approval from most Republicans, Libertarians and Bernie wing Liberals with Indy’s split. No chance that approval is north of 50% Although, something tells me - even those polls - would drop if journalists cared to do their job and force the issue at the border. Journalists are doing their ‘job’ all right... their job just isn’t what it is supposed to be. 1
SCBills Posted April 24, 2021 Posted April 24, 2021 22 hours ago, BillStime said: Another state I would NEVER move to.... How are they “requiring” this be done? I mean, if true, that’s pretty bizarre. I’m pro-life, but I think we need some nuance in this discussion and forcing women to bury/cremate aborted fetuses is certainly the opposite of that. 3 minutes ago, Buffarukus said: your right. you did say that. listen im not a trump fanatic. but i also see a clear difference in the way the media handles the two. they seem to not really care. i mean children in cages was top story for weeks. every move trump did was maticulously scrutinized and im perfectly fine with holding power accountable. but biden is in just as bad or worse decisions/positions and the media and everyone else has gently gone to sleep. i havent and dont plan to but that when the media goes from orange man bad and not old man bad. thats a issue that will always effect approval..and the stories that are important. Its fun to see journalists who used to just say whatever popped into their head about Trump, as long as it was negative, and receive adulation with zero pushback - suddenly - get ambushed when they try the same tactics on people like Tim Scott and Ron DeSantis. They forgot that you can’t just lie, deceive and/or mislead everyone when the target isn’t Trump. 1
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted April 24, 2021 Posted April 24, 2021 3 minutes ago, SCBills said: How are they “requiring” this be done? I mean, if true, that’s pretty bizarre. I’m pro-life, but I think we need some nuance in this discussion and forcing women to bury/cremate aborted fetuses is certainly the opposite of that. I think the idea is to make it more psychologically impacting. Im a big believer in the family unit. As draconian as it sounds, if your own mother doesn’t want you, what chance can you really have in this world... for that reason I support choice.
SCBills Posted April 24, 2021 Posted April 24, 2021 Just now, Over 29 years of fanhood said: I think the idea is to make it more psychologically impacting. Im a big believer in the family unit. As draconian as it sounds, if your own mother doesn’t want you, what chance can you really have in this world... for that reason I support choice. I get that premise in theory, but I’m assuming you must believe unborn babies are not human life, correct? (I don’t mean that in a condescending way). Otherwise, why wouldn’t that premise apply to a 6 month old, 1 year old, 2 year old etc..,, Life changes, people change, circumstances change, and why can’t someone just end the life of an infant if they no longer can/want to take care of them? Me, personally, I believe abortion is wrong, but I get why supporters want choice. I’d, politically, be ok if we simply had restrictions in place for the 2nd/3rd trimester allowing abortion only when the life of the mother or severe fetal abnormalities are in question. Even then, I go against my own ethics by creating a random timeline within the womb where the unborn baby/fetus life becomes worth saving based purely on dividing 9 months by 3. But we don’t live in a perfect world and abortions will go on regardless of if they are legal or not.
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted April 24, 2021 Posted April 24, 2021 1 minute ago, SCBills said: I get that premise in theory, but I’m assuming you must believe unborn babies are not human life, correct? (I don’t mean that in a condescending way). Otherwise, why wouldn’t that premise apply to a 6 month old, 1 year old, 2 year old etc..,, Life changes, people change, circumstances change, and why can’t someone just end the life of an infant if they no longer can/want to take care of them? Me, personally, I believe abortion is wrong, but I get why supporters want choice. I’d, politically, be ok if we simply had restrictions in place for the 2nd/3rd trimester allowing abortion only when the life of the mother or severe fetal abnormalities are in question. Even then, I go against my own ethics by creating a random timeline within the womb where the unborn baby/fetus life becomes worth saving based purely on dividing 9 months by 3. But we don’t live in a perfect world and abortions will go on regardless of if they are legal or not. freakanomics solidified my viewpoint. We are fed to this ideology that human life is so uniquely precious, but then send thousands off to die for meaningless political squabbles. there’s like 6 billion humans. A lot of them disgusting lazy unsophisticated at that. it’s a point I won’t argue because I understand the other side, but I’m firmly in the if you’re going to be a deadbeat garbage parent, then please abort. How can I pay you to do so? 1
SCBills Posted April 24, 2021 Posted April 24, 2021 4 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: freakanomics solidified my viewpoint. We are fed to this ideology that human life is so uniquely precious, but then send thousands off to die for meaningless political squabbles. there’s like 6 billion humans. A lot of them disgusting lazy unsophisticated at that. it’s a point I won’t argue because I understand the other side, but I’m firmly in the if you’re going to be a deadbeat garbage parent, then please abort. How can I pay you to do so? Fair enough. I obviously disagree, but I can’t pushback too much based on your logic - as mine centers around the sanctity of life and your basic premise is that human life is not so. 1
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted April 24, 2021 Posted April 24, 2021 4 minutes ago, SCBills said: Fair enough. I obviously disagree, but I can’t pushback too much based on your logic - as mine centers around the sanctity of life and your basic premise is that human life is not so. Yes I’m jaded 1
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