Backintheday544 Posted January 13, 2021 Posted January 13, 2021 Trump supporter who did the crime, couldn’t face doing the time and killed himself after a failed coup attempt on the US Capitol: https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-supporter-dead-suspected-suicide-172004838.html Glad to see they charged him with violating the curfew as well. 1
billsfan89 Posted January 13, 2021 Posted January 13, 2021 21 hours ago, Big Blitz said: Here is video evidence of Trump inciting violence: Impeach! Despite having his day in court to present his evidence about 50+ times he wasn't able successfully prove any significant claims by any objective measure. He then keeps up the claims that the election was illegitimate gathering his supporters together during a joint session of Congress to march on the Capitol where he has told them and they believe that an illegitimate election is being finalized. You also left out the part where Trump said "If you don't fight like hell you won't have a country anymore" among other inciting rhetoric. He also has speakers at his rally that speak such rhetoric as "Lets have trial by combat" and repeatedly told a crowd that an election was stolen and illegitimate. You don't have to literally say riot at the Capitol in order for it to be incitement 1 1
BillsToast Posted January 13, 2021 Posted January 13, 2021 5 hours ago, WideNine said: Trump had no intention of promoting a peaceful march. This is just pure sophistry. He has shown zero remorse for inciting that riot because he is an amoral sociopath - he is literally incapable of remorse. If you cannot objectively look at the lies and actions that man has taken abusing his Presidency, the assessments of his lack of character from those who have worked directly with him, then you are another rank and file hopeless Trump apologist. Props for the Orwell reference BTW. I admit I have always felt the "cancel culture" mirrored his "Newspeak". While Trumps indoctrination efforts and willing embrace of Q-Anon and peddling conspiracy theories mirrored "Doublespeak". We live in Orwellian times. Disagree as there is no evidence of incitement. While I think he is amoral and is a sociopath I did think he did show remorse insofar as repeating no violence today and promising a peaceful transition. The problem with your understanding of Orwell was he was against thought-crimes. What you admit to is thought-crime with someone saying the opposite like "peaceful" but he meant "violence". Unless you saw him march with the people inciting violence it requires mind-reading. You flipped Orwell's statement of inanity to "Peace is War". 4 hours ago, billsfan89 said: Despite having his day in court to present his evidence about 50+ times he wasn't able successfully prove any significant claims by any objective measure. He never had a trial, most of the denials were based on procedure like lack of jurisdiction, or lack of standing. That's not proof of faulty beliefs or even if they are wrong. I think Sydney Powell is a lunatic but the fact remains her arguments weren't found false, they were an accumulation of affidavits.
TBBills Posted January 13, 2021 Posted January 13, 2021 4 hours ago, Backintheday544 said: Trump supporter who did the crime, couldn’t face doing the time and killed himself after a failed coup attempt on the US Capitol: https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-supporter-dead-suspected-suicide-172004838.html Glad to see they charged him with violating the curfew as well. This death is also on Trump. The things that goes through the mind when they realize they were lied to by the one person they thought they could trust.
billsfan89 Posted January 13, 2021 Posted January 13, 2021 (edited) 52 minutes ago, BillsToast said: He never had a trial, most of the denials were based on procedure like lack of jurisdiction, or lack of standing. That's not proof of faulty beliefs or even if they are wrong. I think Sydney Powell is a lunatic but the fact remains her arguments weren't found false, they were an accumulation of affidavits. While some of the denials were based off of lack of jurisdiction or lack of standing many were also denied outright on their merits. Many of these affidavits have been proven to not be evidence of fraud but people making misunderstanding or mistakes such as thinking news vans loading and unloading their equipment were swapping out voting machines (which was proven not to be the case by other witnesses and security cameras). Some of these affidavits were just BS or people making outright mistakes. These are the legal claims you think have any legitimacy? I could provide more quotes and links if you like to know what the Trump campaign was actually claiming in court. https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/dec/10/donald-trump-has-lost-dozens-election-lawsuits-her/ U.S. District Judge Matthew Brann concluded that lawyers presented "strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations un-pled in the operative complaint and unsupported by evidence. In the United States of America, this cannot justify the disenfranchisement of a single voter, let alone all the voters of its sixth most populated state. Our people, laws, and institutions demand more." Sometimes courts rejected cases where the pro-Trump briefs were riddled with errors. One was based on an affidavit that attempted to cite results from precincts in Michigan, but actually cited ones in Minnesota. (The statistics about Minnesota were wrong too.) One lawsuit filed by Powell claimed wrongdoing in Edison County, Mich. — a place that doesn’t exist. https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/2020/12/12/trump-wisconsin-lawsuit-dismissed-federal-judge/3894689001/ "This court allowed the plaintiff the chance to make his case and he has lost on the merits. In his reply brief, plaintiff 'asks that the Rule of Law be followed.' It has been." https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-lawsuit-pennsylvania/in-fresh-blow-to-trump-u-s-court-rejects-pennsylvania-election-case-idUSKBN2872AZ “Charges require specific allegations and then proof. We have neither here,” wrote Bibas, who was nominated by Trump. https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2020/12/04/michigan-lawsuit-makes-wild-claims-voter-turnout/3829654001/ The affidavit comes from Russell James Ramsland Jr., a cybersecurity analyst and former Republican congressional candidate. Ramsland is the one who mistook voting jurisdictions in Minnesota for Michigan towns in a separate flawed analysis of voter turnout. His latest analysis correctly names Michigan voting jurisdictions, but similarly arrives at inaccurate voter turnout rates. https://wdet.org/posts/2020/12/02/90352-aggrieved-republicans-offer-little-evidence-of-election-fraud-in-seven-hour-hearing/ Judge Timothy Kenny also said “Ms. Carone’s description of the events at the TCF Center does not square with any of the other affidavits. There are no other reports of lost data, or tabulating machines that jammed repeatedly every hour during the count. Neither Republican nor Democratic challengers nor city officials substantiate her version of events. The allegations simply are not credible,” when denying a petition for injunctive relief and an independent audit in an earlier lawsuit. Edited January 13, 2021 by billsfan89 2
Dr.Sack Posted January 14, 2021 Posted January 14, 2021 ‘Law & Order’ splitting MAGA. Only 8% support the Trump coup, and now 95% no Trump 2024? Sad day when they can’t get on the same page.
billsfan89 Posted January 14, 2021 Posted January 14, 2021 20 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said: ‘Law & Order’ splitting MAGA. Only 8% support the Trump coup, and now 95% no Trump 2024? Sad day when they can’t get on the same page. Trump has a 75% approval rating within the GOP still even after the coup attempt/riot. If he doesn't get impeached and is able to run again in 2024 he will easily win the nomination. https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/13/trump-approval-rating-poll-458602 1
Dr.Sack Posted January 14, 2021 Posted January 14, 2021 4 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: Trump has a 75% approval rating within the GOP still even after the coup attempt/riot. If he doesn't get impeached and is able to run again in 2024 he will easily win the nomination. https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/13/trump-approval-rating-poll-458602 Little Marco or Nikki 6 Hailey will win.
ALF Posted January 14, 2021 Posted January 14, 2021 Let Trump supporters come to DC now , the National Guard is armed and ready to kick ass and take names.
ziltoid Posted January 14, 2021 Posted January 14, 2021 Just now, ALF said: Let Trump supporters come to DC now , the National Guard is armed and ready to kick ass and take names. They should have shot ‘em right in the face as soon as they crossed the threshold last week. 1
billsfan89 Posted January 14, 2021 Posted January 14, 2021 22 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said: Little Marco or Nikki 6 Hailey will win. If Trump is allowed to run again he will easily walk through the nomination process. At his lowest point 75% of the base loves him and the Congress members he put in danger still **** to him because they know the MAGA crowd is the party.
Dr.Sack Posted January 14, 2021 Posted January 14, 2021 23 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: If Trump is allowed to run again he will easily walk through the nomination process. At his lowest point 75% of the base loves him and the Congress members he put in danger still **** to him because they know the MAGA crowd is the party. MAGA crowd isn’t really the party though. Most Trump voters like Hitler voters are followers. When a slicker Trump comes along with a more relatable redneck accent Trump is toast.
Backintheday544 Posted January 14, 2021 Posted January 14, 2021 29 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: If Trump is allowed to run again he will easily walk through the nomination process. At his lowest point 75% of the base loves him and the Congress members he put in danger still **** to him because they know the MAGA crowd is the party. Eh, Trump has a base of like 20 percent of the Republican Party. The other 55 percent that support him are people who vote R no matter what. Trump will also be 78 and already showing signs of mental decline. Haley seems like the likely candidate for 2024 but it’s really too early. I don’t think Rubio can make a come back after 2016. from an online gambling site: 2024 Republican Presidential Nominee Odds CandidateOdds Mike Pence+325 Nikki Haley+500 Donald Trump Sr.+500 John Kasich+1100 Josh Hawley+1300 Ted Cruz+1400 Tim Scott+1600 Tom Cotton+1700 Dan Crenshaw+1950 Paul Ryan+2000 Bill Weld+2100 Donald Trump Jr.+2450 Carly Fiorina+2500 Mark Cuban+2500
daz28 Posted January 14, 2021 Posted January 14, 2021 13 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said: Eh, Trump has a base of like 20 percent of the Republican Party. The other 55 percent that support him are people who vote R no matter what. Trump will also be 78 and already showing signs of mental decline. Haley seems like the likely candidate for 2024 but it’s really too early. I don’t think Rubio can make a come back after 2016. from an online gambling site: 2024 Republican Presidential Nominee Odds CandidateOdds Mike Pence+325 Nikki Haley+500 Donald Trump Sr.+500 John Kasich+1100 Josh Hawley+1300 Ted Cruz+1400 Tim Scott+1600 Tom Cotton+1700 Dan Crenshaw+1950 Paul Ryan+2000 Bill Weld+2100 Donald Trump Jr.+2450 Carly Fiorina+2500 Mark Cuban+2500 Haley said trump is truthful, a good listener, and easy to work with. Yeah, she has credibility. 1
Mike in Horseheads Posted January 14, 2021 Posted January 14, 2021 1 hour ago, daz28 said: Haley said trump is truthful, a good listener, and easy to work with. Yeah, she has credibility. She had a lot of potential but that pry went in the crapper with her support of Don to the end. Still not bad looking though so she has that going for her 2 hours ago, ALF said: Let Trump supporters come to DC now , the National Guard is armed and ready to kick ass and take names. Those pussies will be back when they don't have to worry
The Frankish Reich Posted January 14, 2021 Posted January 14, 2021 3 hours ago, Backintheday544 said: Eh, Trump has a base of like 20 percent of the Republican Party. The other 55 percent that support him are people who vote R no matter what. Trump will also be 78 and already showing signs of mental decline. Haley seems like the likely candidate for 2024 but it’s really too early. I don’t think Rubio can make a come back after 2016. from an online gambling site: 2024 Republican Presidential Nominee Odds CandidateOdds Mike Pence+325 Nikki Haley+500 Donald Trump Sr.+500 John Kasich+1100 Josh Hawley+1300 Ted Cruz+1400 Tim Scott+1600 Tom Cotton+1700 Dan Crenshaw+1950 Paul Ryan+2000 Bill Weld+2100 Donald Trump Jr.+2450 Carly Fiorina+2500 Mark Cuban+2500 Well that's an uninspiring list. There was a time, before many of these would be Presidents made fools of themselves by sucking up to Trump, when the Republican Party appeared to have an impressive rising group of leaders. Not anymore. I don't see the Paul Ryans (who kept the hell out of this ever since the tax bill passed) making a comeback.
Buffarukus Posted January 14, 2021 Posted January 14, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, BillsToast said: He never had a trial, most of the denials were based on procedure like lack of jurisdiction, or lack of standing. That's not proof of faulty beliefs or even if they are wrong. I think Sydney Powell is a lunatic but the fact remains her arguments weren't found false, they were an accumulation of affidavits. this is true but at some point you have to put your cards on the table. you lost all your cases, have a phone call to the gov of georgia digging exposed, they are going to certify and you want the vice to just say "nope not counting these". it is just desperate. take a dump or get off the pot. to this day there are definate issues with the election but some of election security laws were blocked by REPUBLICANS. just like i found out a measure to break up facebook was blocked by republicans. its pretty pathetic on the republicans complete lack of forsight for these situations that were clear issues beforehand that they now ask the public to judge. but what should not be disputed is dems clear manipulation of thier own elections. the wikileak drop on the DNC and how they worked to ruin sanders 16 campaign..fact the DNC again manipulating the iowa caucas THIS YEAR with (shadow inc) that has ties to pete buttigieg. no investigating and who declared themselves the victor before the votes were even counted..shocked! the way tulsi gabbard was smeared by hillary clinton, who just slithered out of nowhere, to deem her a russian asset (how original) directly after she destroyed kamala on stage. right after that in lockstep google had a "glitch" that blocked her contribution page and mysteriously media outlets parroted the russian asset propaganda repeatedly. for a military vet who went to war for this country..that was shameful yang not being allowed to debate based on ridiculous DNC rules..only to allow Bloomberg to buy his way on the stage later. media not including him in any coverage. and finally how they activley lobbied and removed a legitamate canidate of the green party from the ballot. how is that even allowable! but they did it to not split the vote. while trump may be full of it. the fact the dems talk about "every vote counting" and voter manipulation is a "myth" shows again some laughable hypocracy. head down fingers in the ears..lalalala! 47 minutes ago, Buffarukus said: i can search for links if anyone would like to know more. just got home from work. Edited January 14, 2021 by Buffarukus
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