Call_Of_Ktulu Posted January 5, 2021 Posted January 5, 2021 Please Flores and Tua stay as long as you like.
Cheektowaga Chad Posted January 5, 2021 Posted January 5, 2021 (edited) On 1/5/2021 at 8:07 PM, DasNootz said: Tua is better than EJ Manuel - but this feels like we've seen the this story play out before. Expand As bills fans we all have seen qbs like tua far too many times 2 situations/plays are why I don't expect much from Tua 1. Under 2 minutes to go in the first half - 3rd and 8ish, Tua throws the ball 3 yards in a game you need to win for the playoffs 2. Inside the 10 yard line going in to score, he takes off and scrambles, looks like he might get in if he dives from inside the 5 but instead he slides. He slides inside the 5 yard line instead of diving for a td in a game to make the playoffs The slide reminded me of Kyle Orton just taking a sack instead of trying for a first down Edited January 5, 2021 by Cheektowaga Chad 3
Fixxxer Posted January 5, 2021 Posted January 5, 2021 not saying Tua will not work out, but with the 3rd pick of the draft you have to take a deep dive into scouting what QBs might be available there. Big mistake. 4
spartacus Posted January 5, 2021 Posted January 5, 2021 On 1/5/2021 at 8:14 PM, machine gun kelly said: He has a 64% completion rate and 7-3, but with help from Fitz. Remember Allen didn’t have backup to bail him out, but he did only hit 53%. I wouldn’t write off Tua at this point. At least Allen had OTA’s, and a pre-season. Tua had nothing. Im not. Tua fan, but feel like some are overreacting. How many including a thread from yesterday saying how much it bother him the bashing of Allen. Give Tua a real opportunity. I don’t thin he’ll ever be Allen, but he might be decent of their staff give him three years. Expand comparing Josh and Tua is just a bit misleading the entire Miami offense was designed for Tua to throw almost all of his passes no more than 5 yards downfield this is the Chan Gailey offense 1
MJS Posted January 5, 2021 Posted January 5, 2021 Tua for the first half of every game. Fitz for the second half of every game.
machine gun kelly Posted January 5, 2021 Posted January 5, 2021 On 1/5/2021 at 8:16 PM, IgotBILLStopay said: Is it just me or does Tua come off more as a game manager than a top flight QB? I think Alex Smith maybe his ceiling. If Miami can support him with an elite defense, they can go to the playoffs regularly - but, based, on the season we just witnessed, he cant yet put a team on his back and carry em. Herbert, on the other hand,..... Expand Well Jordan Palmer on OBL, just said P. Manning, Brady, Alex Smith and Allen now is a great game manager as that is how you manage a game. That connotation as negative is not accurate. You’re best QB’s know when to push it which Oalmer just said Allen was not a good game manager his first year trying too hard in year 1. Now he knows what to do when and that is the definition of a game manager. That’s different from Captain Checkdown, which is different. I think that’s what you mean. For him as a rookie, that’s better then making tons of terrible mistakes killing games as a rookie. Again not a Tua fan, just give the kid time. Besides Allen will still beat him. He’ll never play to this level. 1
Malazan Posted January 5, 2021 Posted January 5, 2021 Man, this almost makes up for the news that Adam Gase is fired. Here's to hoping the Pats stick with Newton and the Jets keep Darnold!
SectionC3 Posted January 5, 2021 Posted January 5, 2021 On 1/5/2021 at 8:15 PM, YoloinOhio said: Expand I bet Fitz feels the same way.
Domitian Posted January 5, 2021 Posted January 5, 2021 Tua is basically Drew Brees or bust. He does not possess any specific physical skills or strengths that make him in any way dynamic. He will live and die by his ability to read and exploit defenses with highly accurate passing. That's a really risky player to bet the farm on because if he doesn't pass for 70% and learn to surgically pick apart a D, he's damn near worthless. His arm is a noddle, he's not a dynamic run threat...again...Brees or bust. 2
SectionC3 Posted January 5, 2021 Posted January 5, 2021 On 1/5/2021 at 8:22 PM, spartacus said: comparing Josh and Tua is just a bit misleading the entire Miami offense was designed for Tua to throw almost all of his passes no more than 5 yards downfield this is the Chan Gailey offense Expand It's a logical design. Tua is hesitant (fixable) and has a weak arm (probably not fixable).
Heitz Posted January 5, 2021 Posted January 5, 2021 On 1/5/2021 at 8:08 PM, HurlyBurly51 said: works for me Expand 💯
mannc Posted January 5, 2021 Posted January 5, 2021 On 1/5/2021 at 8:05 PM, YoloinOhio said: Expand That's great news for the Bills.
machine gun kelly Posted January 5, 2021 Posted January 5, 2021 On 1/5/2021 at 8:22 PM, spartacus said: comparing Josh and Tua is just a bit misleading the entire Miami offense was designed for Tua to throw almost all of his passes no more than 5 yards downfield this is the Chan Gailey offense Expand Spartacus, you’re right that’s not the same, but before our game, he only had 2 INT’s vs. the fumbles and Int’s for Allen. I’m not picking on Allen at all. I’m just saying, it’s way too premature to say he’s a bust. That’s what the whole league said about Allen year 1. That’s the comparison. Some peop,e are jumping to conclusions way too quickly. I’m saying in year 3, we’ll know if we have a real Kelly/Marino competitor. I doubt it as Allen has just too much, but he could develop to a decent QB rival. Im just not quick to make judgements. 1
Fixxxer Posted January 5, 2021 Posted January 5, 2021 On 1/5/2021 at 8:25 PM, Domitian said: Tua is basically Drew Brees or bust. He does not possess any specific physical skills or strengths that make him in any way dynamic. He will live and die by his ability to read and exploit defenses with highly accurate passing. That's a really risky player to bet the farm on because if he doesn't pass for 70% and learn to surgically pick apart a D, he's damn near worthless. His arm is a noddle, he's not a dynamic run threat...again...Brees or bust. Expand Best case scenario: Brees QB purgatory scenario: Andy Dalton Disaster scenario: captain checkdown type.
spartacus Posted January 5, 2021 Posted January 5, 2021 On 1/5/2021 at 8:26 PM, SectionC3 said: It's a logical design. Tua is hesitant (fixable) and has a weak arm (probably not fixable). Expand of course it is it will generate much higher completion % just don't compare it to Josh Allen throwing the ball downfield
Process Posted January 5, 2021 Posted January 5, 2021 Yea , the Cardinals were also all in on josh rosen after his first year.... With that said, there's no way they give up on tua for fields. If they had the first pick I think they no question take lawrence. But not for fields .
spartacus Posted January 5, 2021 Posted January 5, 2021 On 1/5/2021 at 8:29 PM, Process said: Yea , the Cardinals were also all in on josh rosen after his first year.... With that said, there's no way they give up on tua for fields. If they had the first pick I think they no question take lawrence. But not for fields . Expand Fields won't be 2nd QB drafted
Domitian Posted January 5, 2021 Posted January 5, 2021 On 1/5/2021 at 8:28 PM, Fixxxer said: Best case scenario: Brees QB purgatory scenario: Andy Dalton Disaster scenario: captain checkdown type. Expand Yup. I'm not QB whisperer, just a fan, but personally I would put his odds of the best case scenario at less than 5%, Qb purgatory at around 25%, and captain checkdown that flames out in another year or two at 70% 3
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