WR Kenny Stills said to be visiting Buffalo (no confirmation he signed)

[Warcodered]

1 minute ago, njbuff said:

This thread feels like the Clowney threads. 😁

I mean the Bills have shown actual interest in Stills.

[RaoulDuke79]

17 minutes ago, TroutDog said:

That’s because we are old! 😃 

My 2021 resolution is to not be old.

[Charles Romes]

If you are a competent NFL receiver Josh will find you often. Don’t understand the questioning of having Stills in

[Moulds 808080]

Great signing Buffalo!!!! If he did indeed sign!!! 

[LyndonvilleBill]

Trying to picture a 5 wide set. Diggs, Beas, smoke, Davis, Stills. Is that possible??

[Doc]

52 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

It’s not a knock.  I’ve just been pointing out repeatedly that this offense has gone on a year without him, and with him, his role from one of his two years as a 1000 yard WR is reduced.

 

These are simple facts.

 

The flaw here is thinking that the passing game without Brown was as good as it's going to get. 

[MiltonWaddams]

12 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said:

Trying to picture a 5 wide set. Diggs, Beas, smoke, Davis, Stills. Is that possible??

Sure. Empty backfield and no TE. 5 wr sets are run all the time. 

[Mr. WEO]

51 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

It hasn’t been a full year, the guy is quite productive with us, 1000 plus yards last season, unfortunate injuries this year, has the receivers group stepped up in his absence? Yes, will he be an integral part of the offense now that he is back? Yes, just his being on the field opens up the pass and run games, what’s to not like about John Brown? 
 

Go Bills!!!
 

 

 

49 minutes ago, QLBillsFan said:

John Brown makes Bills better. Beasley makes Bills better. Together they make Bills better. More talent equal more options and more team production. 

it’s great to feel that way, no doubt...

[Doc]

57 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

He only got 1000 yards last year because he was the #1 option.  Not this year.  Without him,  Diggs has gone buck wild, plus Beasley had career year and Davis was a huge pickup.  Only so many slices of the pie to toss to Brown.,,

 

Do you think Gabe Davis would have caught 1,100 yards worth of passes this year if he had been the #1 option?  If not (and you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone who would believe that), then inserting Brown back in the starting lineup becomes obvious.

 

54 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

It’s not a knock.  I’ve just been pointing out repeatedly that this offense has gone on a year without him, and with him, his role from one of his two years as a 1000 yard WR is reduced.

 

These are simple facts.

 

Yeah, the idea was that you take that 1,100 yard #1 receiver and now make him the #2 guy, add a stud as your #1, and along with the excellent 3rd slot WR, have a potent offense.  And since you added a stud #1 WR, the former #1 and now #2 WR's numbers will obviously go down.

 

The "fact" that the offense has done well without Brown doesn't mean it can't improve with him back.  And in the playoffs, you want good veterans playing.

[Solomon Grundy]

[Chandler#81]

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/kenny-stills-to-sign-with-bills-in-time-for-playoffs-adding-another-playmaker-for-josh-allen-per-report/?fbclid=IwAR1znOOSeYwGMPMlaVF3aijrtxxS9xUfCXudaKR1amu3MLqVd484R4t6eH8

[BADOLBILZ]

40 minutes ago, MiltonWaddams said:

Sure. Empty backfield and no TE. 5 wr sets are run all the time. 

 

 

I hope we don't see much, if any, 5 wide.

 

That just congests the passing lanes and then you end up playing dink and dunk passing game.

 

11 personnel (1 RB, 1TE with 3 WR) really creates ideal time and space for big plays in the passing game.

 

In most sports.......having veterans in the playoffs is a big advantage and if Stills gets WR snaps I expect it will be at the expense of Gabe Davis.

 

Gabe has been a dynamic rookie........a bunch of TD's,  great separation numbers,  big ypc............but he's also made some dynamically negative plays.......a dropped TD,  several poorly played deep balls,   a couple very untimely,  drive-killing missed blocks and mid-field drops.     He's done a lot of positive stuff but they might not be able to overcome him making a couple inexperienced gaffe's in a shootout playoff game.

 

 

Edited January 2, 2021 by BADOLBILZ

[Mat68]

Only report is from Texans beat writer... Any word from any local guy?  Any word from any national news breaker?  I know Shefter announced we would be moving towards a signing but nothing yet.

[Scott7975]

2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

He only got 1000 yards last year because he was the #1 option.  Not this year.  Without him,  Diggs has gone buck wild, plus Beasley had career year and Davis was a huge pickup.  Only so many slices of the pie to toss to Brown.,,

 

So what exactly are you trying to say though?  John Brown is a damn good receiver and is obviously capable of getting 1000 yard seasons.  The team is better with him than without.

Edited January 2, 2021 by Scott7975

[LyndonvilleBill]

32 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I hope we don't see much, if any, 5 wide.

 

That just congests the passing lanes and then you end up playing dink and dunk passing game.

 

11 personnel (1 RB, 1TE with 3 WR) really creates ideal time and space for big plays in the passing game.

 

In most sports.......having veterans in the playoffs is a big advantage and if Stills gets WR snaps I expect it will be at the expense of Gabe Davis.

 

Gabe has been a dynamic rookie........a bunch of TD's,  great separation numbers,  big ypc............but he's also made some dynamically negative plays.......a dropped TD,  several poorly played deep balls,   a couple very untimely,  drive-killing missed blocks and mid-field drops.     He's done a lot of positive stuff but they might not be able to overcome him making a couple inexperienced gaffe's in a shootout playoff game.

 

 

 I didn't think about the passing lanes. Was thinking of the speed from Smoke and Stills, routes by Beas and Diggs and then add in Gabe.... A nightmare for a defense to cover.. Thanks is for this.

[BananaB]

If Beas misses a playoff game I can’t imagine Stills stepping in and running his routes after a week of practice. I can see McKenzie running a lot of Beasley’s routes and Stills running a lot of the misdirection and some of the motion McKenzie does. I imagine Josh would be more familiar and confident in McKenzie on third downs. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

57 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/kenny-stills-to-sign-with-bills-in-time-for-playoffs-adding-another-playmaker-for-josh-allen-per-report/?fbclid=IwAR1znOOSeYwGMPMlaVF3aijrtxxS9xUfCXudaKR1amu3MLqVd484R4t6eH8

 

They're all just lazily referencing that original Aaron Wilson tweet that was linked above.  So either Aaron Wilson knows something, or he doesn't, but there's nothing new here.

[Doc]

Sounds like a “barring any unforeseen circumstances, Stiils will be a Bill next week...” kind of thing. 

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

Do you think Gabe Davis would have caught 1,100 yards worth of passes this year if he had been the #1 option?  If not (and you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone who would believe that), then inserting Brown back in the starting lineup becomes obvious.

 

 

Yeah, the idea was that you take that 1,100 yard #1 receiver and now make him the #2 guy, add a stud as your #1, and along with the excellent 3rd slot WR, have a potent offense.  And since you added a stud #1 WR, the former #1 and now #2 WR's numbers will obviously go down.

 

The "fact" that the offense has done well without Brown doesn't mean it can't improve with him back.  And in the playoffs, you want good veterans playing.

 

If Davis had 115 targets, he would have had 989m yards--71  fewer than 7 year veteran Brown had last year.  

 

 

Brown has never been the Bills #2.   Beasley is that guy.  Inserting Brown back in the lineup has nothing to do with what might have happened if Davis was the #1 option.  That doesn't even make sense.  

 

If he missed no games, Brown was not "on pace" to get 1000 yards. 

 

Look, Brown is house money--not necessary, possibly a benefit (only if he's in top shape).  That's how you should frame this.  If he steals a few catches from Diggs....Ok, cool, I guess.

 

17 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

So what exactly are you trying to say though?  John Brown is a damn good receiver and is obviously capable of getting 1000 yard seasons.  The team is better with him than without.

 

 

That hasn't proven to be tru the past 5 weeks.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

He only got 1000 yards last year because he was the #1 option.  Not this year.  Without him,  Diggs has gone buck wild, plus Beasley had career year and Davis was a huge pickup.  Only so many slices of the pie to toss to Brown.,,

 

The problem with Brown is when the Bills signed Brown to a contract last off-season, they very likely were expecting to draft a WR the following year in a deep draft class.   If they had done that under a rookie contract, Browns contract would be fine, but once they traded for Diggs, Browns contract is way to high for a #2 WR who has also missed half the year and proven to be not all that needed.  The Bills have one of the highest amounts of salary cap dedicated to the WR group next season BTW, around 15%.  There are some teams higher, but coincidentally those are also the teams over the cap next year.

 

It would be great to have Brown back next year, but can't see it happening without him taking a large pay cut like maybe cut his salary in half.   IMO signing Feliciano, Williams and Milano to extensions would help the team more than keeping Brown around as they've already shown they can win without him.  Yes there's others you can also cut to save money, but very few would generate a savings of $8 mil.   Not to say you can't still sign someone else for much less that has the speed factor too to replace that one skill set.  If Stills is signed that may be his role.