SCBills Posted January 1, 2021 Posted January 1, 2021 Just now, {::'KayCeeS::} said: 2014 Arizona Cardinals 16 2015 Arizona Cardinals 15 2016 Arizona Cardinals 15 2017 Arizona Cardinals 10 2018 Baltimore Ravens 16 2019 Buffalo Bills 15 2020 Buffalo Bills 8 This is the games Brown has played in his NFL career. You say availability? That's obviously a red herring. Maybe so, but he’s a speed WR who has a few good years left, but is getting up there in age. Missing half of a season going into a year where the team can save sizable cap space on you isn’t ideal. Again, I’d keep him... but with Allen’s arm, I don’t know if I want to trust him as our #2/primary speed threat alone next year. We figured it out after an adjustment period, but make no mistake, this offense has another gear when Allen has a speed guy opposite Diggs. 2
Mr. WEO Posted January 1, 2021 Posted January 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, {::'KayCeeS::} said: 2014 Arizona Cardinals 16 2015 Arizona Cardinals 15 2016 Arizona Cardinals 15 2017 Arizona Cardinals 10 2018 Baltimore Ravens 16 2019 Buffalo Bills 15 2020 Buffalo Bills 8 This is the games Brown has played in his NFL career. You say availability? That's obviously a red herring. He's obviously the #2 WR on this team. But you know that. Is he the best #2? You raise a good counter-argument there. But the idea that he should be discarded is absolutely ridiculous, imo. He's not. See above.
Straight Hucklebuck Posted January 1, 2021 Posted January 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Maybe. He's had 2 seasons barely over 1000 in his career--one with the Bills when he was the de facto #1 with Beasley and Knox as about all they had. This year, he wasn't nearly on pace to break 1000 again. Clearly Beasley is Josh's second favorite target. That won't change with Brown back in the lineup--especially now with Davis there too. I think the Bills should keep drafting WR and keep eyes peeled for potential deals. I largely agree here, and upgrading the skill position talent is a big reason for the jump in Allen and the offense in general. So I wouldn’t be “done” at WR, regardless of how this season plays out. From what I’ve seen, Davis has a nose for the end zone, but he’s a 4.52 WR who mostly ran go routes in college. We shouldn’t stop there trying to improve the WR group. And Isaiah Hodgins? Well he’s got speed issues too and has been hurt all year. I like the Bills pushing for Stills and Nelson. Draft another one, and draft a Tight End too. 1
HappyDays Posted January 1, 2021 Posted January 1, 2021 31 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: They are the #4 passing Offense. Ball catchers are not their problem. Stills was a dud this year. They dumped him and their passing game didn't miss him. That's because Watson is a really good QB who elevates the players around him. Does this mean Hopkins isn't good, because he got traded away and the Texans passing game didn't miss him? The Texans decided to start their younger players so they mutually agreed with Stills to release him. He immediately upgrades our depth heading into the playoffs and I trust him more than Gabe Davis if Brown were to get hurt again.
Mr. WEO Posted January 1, 2021 Posted January 1, 2021 6 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: I think the Bills should keep drafting WR and keep eyes peeled for potential deals. I largely agree here, and upgrading the skill position talent is a big reason for the jump in Allen and the offense in general. So I wouldn’t be “done” at WR, regardless of how this season plays out. From what I’ve seen, Davis has a nose for the end zone, but he’s a 4.52 WR who mostly ran go routes in college. We shouldn’t stop there trying to improve the WR group. And Isaiah Hodgins? Well he’s got speed issues too and has been hurt all year. I like the Bills pushing for Stills and Nelson. Draft another one, and draft a Tight End too. Bills fans have been fascinated with "you know, you can't teach speed" for too long and too easily. These 40 times, in a practical sense, aren't significantly different.
Don Otreply Posted January 1, 2021 Posted January 1, 2021 It so very good board members don’t have the capacity to not resign or let player go, the team would be in shambles within one season. Go Bills!! 3
Mr. WEO Posted January 1, 2021 Posted January 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, HappyDays said: That's because Watson is a really good QB who elevates the players around him. Does this mean Hopkins isn't good, because he got traded away and the Texans passing game didn't miss him? The Texans decided to start their younger players so they mutually agreed with Stills to release him. He immediately upgrades our depth heading into the playoffs and I trust him more than Gabe Davis if Brown were to get hurt again. By any measure, the Texans passing is better the season than last, so it's impossible to argue that the Offense missed Hopkins. You would trust a player who got dumped in week 12 after catching 11 balls (in a pass happy Offense where 9 guys had more targets!) over a guy who has been playing on THIS team every week and has 500 yards at 15 per and 6 TDs???? That's....ridiculous.
balln Posted January 1, 2021 Posted January 1, 2021 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: By any measure, the Texans passing is better the season than last, so it's impossible to argue that the Offense missed Hopkins. You would trust a player who got dumped in week 12 after catching 11 balls (in a pass happy Offense where 9 guys had more targets!) over a guy who has been playing on THIS team every week and has 500 yards at 15 per and 6 TDs???? That's....ridiculous. +1
Logic Posted January 1, 2021 Posted January 1, 2021 I'm all for adding Kenny Stills. He has made meaningful contributions in playoff football games as recently as last season. What I don't really understand is what it would mean for the game day rosters, assuming Brown and Beasley are both back for the playoffs. Diggs Brown Beasley Roberts Davis McKenzie Stills They're not going to activate seven receivers on game day, so who sits? Roberts is locked in as the returner. Davis has done nothing to warrant being benched for a journeyman vet. McKenzie adds a unique element to the offense that no other receiver offers. Would they just be adding Stills for depth in case of injury? Are the Bills just hedging their bets because both Brown and Beasley are nicked up? One would think so, but then McDermott's recent comments ("those are two separate conversations") would seem to indicate otherwise. Numbers wise at the receiver position -- unless a current WR is too injured to suit up -- it's an odd addition. 1
Scott7975 Posted January 1, 2021 Posted January 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Penfield45 said: News went quiet sounds like the deal is off imo I would expect the next time people hear something is when he signs with someone. This isn't so big that media is going to follow it every day. You were worried about John Brown still being out too no? Why don't you stop living your life so negative and just enjoy where the Bills are at right now. I've enjoyed it all damn season where half the board did nothing but whine up until a couple weeks ago.
{::'KayCeeS::} Posted January 1, 2021 Posted January 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, Logic said: I'm all for adding Kenny Stills. He has made meaningful contributions in playoff football games as recently as last season. What I don't really understand is what it would mean for the game day rosters, assuming Brown and Beasley are both back for the playoffs. Diggs Brown Beasley Roberts Davis McKenzie Stills They're not going to activate seven receivers on game day, so who sits? Roberts is locked in as the returner. Davis has done nothing to warrant being benched for a journeyman vet. McKenzie adds a unique element to the offense that no other receiver offers. Would they just be adding Stills for depth in case of injury? Are the Bills just hedging their bets because both Brown and Beasley are nicked up? One would think so, but then McDermott's recent comments ("those are two separate conversations") would seem to indicate otherwise. Numbers wise at the receiver position -- unless a current WR is too injured to suit up -- it's an odd addition. This is a very reasonable analysis. All I can think of is that they know Allen is God-Tier right now, so they're willing to sacrifice a backup at another position at game time in order to faciliate his success. 1
Scott7975 Posted January 1, 2021 Posted January 1, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, balln said: im not sure anyone is saying hes #2 wr tho. nor is stills. these are # 3 or 4. in THIS offense not sure you can say id rther have stills than davis. I wouldnt. Id take davis in dabolls offens. do I want stills? YES . the more weapons the better. I agree these guys are 3/4 type receivers. Stills has the ability to clean out defensive players though. He has to be paid attention to because he can burn a defense deep. He has the ability that defenses cant double cover Diggs all the time. While I like Davis, I am not so sure I would say that about him. Having both is nothing but positive. I would put Diggs, Brown, Beas, Stills on the field all day long. It would help our run game too. Edited January 1, 2021 by Scott7975 1
Big Turk Posted January 1, 2021 Posted January 1, 2021 44 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Who? Brown? He's not even the #2 WR on this team. Then there's Lockett, Ridley, Moore, Godwin......... Ridley is clearly the #1 now in Atlanta. Jones has been hurt almost all year...killed my fantasy team...on track to play and then Sunday comes and he is out. Like this week.
Scott7975 Posted January 1, 2021 Posted January 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: Houston, the #4 passing Offense in the League, didn't think so. He was, however, part of (with Tunsil and a 4th) one of the most lopsided trades in years. I think that was more a money decision during a period that Stills was injured. 41 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Maybe. He's had 2 seasons barely over 1000 in his career--one with the Bills when he was the de facto #1 with Beasley and Knox as about all they had. This year, he wasn't nearly on pace to break 1000 again. Clearly Beasley is Josh's second favorite target. That won't change with Brown back in the lineup--especially now with Davis there too. Uh, he was on pace for 1029 yards actually.
HappyDays Posted January 1, 2021 Posted January 1, 2021 14 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: You would trust a player who got dumped in week 12 after catching 11 balls (in a pass happy Offense where 9 guys had more targets!) over a guy who has been playing on THIS team every week and has 500 yards at 15 per and 6 TDs???? Again... context. Stills could have caught every TD Davis has this year except for the incredible catch in the Dolphins game. The Texans decided to see what their younger receivers could do. He was always going to re-sign with a playoff team. Stills is a veteran with better separation skills than Davis. I would absolutely trust him in the playoffs over the 4th round rookie.
Doc Brown Posted January 1, 2021 Posted January 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: I think that was more a money decision during a period that Stills was injured. There was also some stuff about him being unhappy they fired a female employee and some "likes" he put up on social media about the Texans being a garbage franchise. Just seemed like parting ways was the best for both parties involved Get him here. Talk to him. See if he's a good fit moving forward. 1
klos63 Posted January 1, 2021 Posted January 1, 2021 17 minutes ago, Logic said: I'm all for adding Kenny Stills. He has made meaningful contributions in playoff football games as recently as last season. What I don't really understand is what it would mean for the game day rosters, assuming Brown and Beasley are both back for the playoffs. Diggs Brown Beasley Roberts Davis McKenzie Stills They're not going to activate seven receivers on game day, so who sits? Roberts is locked in as the returner. Davis has done nothing to warrant being benched for a journeyman vet. McKenzie adds a unique element to the offense that no other receiver offers. Would they just be adding Stills for depth in case of injury? Are the Bills just hedging their bets because both Brown and Beasley are nicked up? One would think so, but then McDermott's recent comments ("those are two separate conversations") would seem to indicate otherwise. Numbers wise at the receiver position -- unless a current WR is too injured to suit up -- it's an odd addition. i think that is definitely the reason. Brown hasn't been healthy since early in the season and Beasley may miss a playoff game. We can't go into the playoffs limited at WR. 2
Doc Posted January 1, 2021 Posted January 1, 2021 In the playoffs, give me veteran WRs. If they have speed and ability (like Brown and Stills), even better. 3
njbuff Posted January 1, 2021 Posted January 1, 2021 I read somewhere that Stills is expected to sign with the Bills and begin practicing next week. FWIW.
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