klos63 Posted January 1, 2021 Posted January 1, 2021 On 1/1/2021 at 6:44 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said: We've been slowly figuring things out, but our passing game has in general been less explosive. The best D's can bracket Beasley and Diggs and if they're good enough to pressure with 4 it's a problem. My take is we got 1 1st round draft pick on offense and 1 guy we used a 1st to acquire (Diggs). 6 of the top 10 cap hits this season are players on D, and many without nearly the impact of Diggs, Morse, Dawkins, and Brown - White, Hughes, and Poyer yes; Addison, Murphy, and Butler not so much (especially Murphy, and Addison has been disappearing of recent) Overall right now, the Bills are spending $70M on offense and $102M on defense. So my take is, we better keep the quality we have on offense and look hard at the value per $$ we're getting on D before we decide Brown's cap hit is too high. Expand Some of the defensive signings this past offseason had easy outs after 1 year. I think Star's contract isn't easy to drop next season so he'll be on the team , which would mean at least one DT goes away. Maybe Epenesa takes Addison's place and saves a few million. Lot of decisions on the line this offseason.
balln Posted January 1, 2021 Posted January 1, 2021 On 1/1/2021 at 6:59 PM, {::'KayCeeS::} said: Who had the money on a 23-page Kenny Stills thread pre-season? I can't remember, I didn't write it down. Just pm me your bitcoin info, kthnx. Expand lol product of a really good team and a starved rabid fan base
HappyDays Posted January 1, 2021 Posted January 1, 2021 (edited) On 1/1/2021 at 6:01 PM, balln said: davis has had insane production for a rookie / or even as a #4 (3 due to brown injury) WR on any team. period Expand That's because we have a QB capable of elevating the players around him. Literally every receiver on the team has had a career year with Allen throwing the ball (even John Brown last year had a career year). Davis has been a decent possession receiver that gets open in the end zone because Diggs draws so much attention. I haven't seen enough evidence that he can separate consistently enough to be a #2 WR in the league but it's possible he'll develop. I like him as a #4 option but Stills is even better at that spot. Edited January 1, 2021 by HappyDays 1
balln Posted January 1, 2021 Posted January 1, 2021 On 1/1/2021 at 7:02 PM, HappyDays said: That's because we have a QB capable of elevating the players around him. Literally every receiver on the team has had a career year with Allen throwing the ball (even John Brown last year had a career year). Davis has been a decent possession receiver that gets open in the end zone because Diggs draws so much attention. I haven't seen enough evidence that he can separate consistently enough to be a #2 WR in the league but it's possible he'll develop. I like him as a #4 option but Stills is even better at that spot. Expand yes. allen has been unreal. its a chicken or egg argument. davis had an unreal td catch against phins. and then against chargers compared to zay jones rd 2. puts it even in more perspective also on certain plays they have davis line up as a TE and take on (and he has stoned) the edge rusher in pass pro
{::'KayCeeS::} Posted January 1, 2021 Posted January 1, 2021 On 1/1/2021 at 7:02 PM, HappyDays said: That's because we have a QB capable of elevating the players around him. Literally every receiver on the team has had a career year with Allen throwing the ball (even John Brown last year had a career year). Davis has been a decent possession receiver that gets open in the end zone because Diggs draws so much attention. I haven't seen enough evidence that he can separate consistently enough to be a #2 WR in the league but it's possible he'll develop. I like him as a #4 option but Stills is even better at that spot. Expand Stills is better than Davis at this point, but that shouldn't be construed as hate on Davis, who I think is a baller as a 4th round rookie and just needs to develop like all rookies need to develop. Also, calling him a possession receiver is not accurate, imo. That called back TD because of the timeout against the Patriots speaks to that. He's not a burner, but he ain't slow either. 1
djp14150 Posted January 1, 2021 Posted January 1, 2021 If we are talking roster changes....it’s easier to do if you win the super bowl. if buffalo didn’t but are an early season favorite Then players will come to buffalo on the cheap to get a ring. some roster decisions won’t be known till after the draft..
HappyDays Posted January 1, 2021 Posted January 1, 2021 On 1/1/2021 at 7:04 PM, balln said: yes. allen has been unreal. its a chicken or egg argument. davis had an unreal td catch against phins. and then against chargers compared to zay jones rd 2. puts it even in more perspective Expand Sure, I'm not saying Davis is Zay Jones. He is a rosterable wideout with NFL traits. I just think fans on this board are putting too much stock in his production without understanding where it comes from. The ability to get separation is the single most important trait an NFL WR can have. It's why I might put Diggs as the #1 WR in the league this year. He can't make the insane catches that Deandre Hopkins makes but he is a little more consistent in getting open. Tyreek Hill is the only competition in my view. Davis hasn't shown #2 WR caliber ability to get separation. A lot of his TDs he is just streaking wide open because the defense isn't paying attention to him. On a play to play basis he isn't making himself available and he didn't get drafted for his route running prowess. 2
Penfield45 Posted January 1, 2021 Posted January 1, 2021 News went quiet sounds like the deal is off imo
balln Posted January 1, 2021 Posted January 1, 2021 On 1/1/2021 at 7:12 PM, HappyDays said: Sure, I'm not saying Davis is Zay Jones. He is a rosterable wideout with NFL traits. I just think fans on this board are putting too much stock in his production without understanding where it comes from. The ability to get separation is the single most important trait an NFL WR can have. It's why I might put Diggs as the #1 WR in the league this year. He can't make the insane catches that Deandre Hopkins makes but he is a little more consistent in getting open. Tyreek Hill is the only competition in my view. Davis hasn't shown #2 WR caliber ability to get separation. A lot of his TDs he is just streaking wide open because the defense isn't paying attention to him. On a play to play basis he isn't making himself available and he didn't get drafted for his route running prowess. Expand im not sure anyone is saying hes #2 wr tho. nor is stills. these are # 3 or 4. in THIS offense not sure you can say id rther have stills than davis. I wouldnt. Id take davis in dabolls offens. do I want stills? YES . the more weapons the better.
HappyDays Posted January 1, 2021 Posted January 1, 2021 On 1/1/2021 at 7:07 PM, {::'KayCeeS::} said: Stills is better than Davis at this point, but that shouldn't be construed as hate on Davis, who I think is a baller as a 4th round rookie and just needs to develop like all rookies need to develop. Also, calling him a possession receiver is not accurate, imo. That called back TD because of the timeout against the Patriots speaks to that. He's not a burner, but he ain't slow either. Expand Yeah he runs good vertical routes but that's about it. Outside of that he is really just a possession receiver. If he develops I think his ceiling is as a #3 outside option that you use for chunk plays. If we ever try to make him our permanent #2 option I don't think it will work out.
Doc Brown Posted January 1, 2021 Posted January 1, 2021 On 1/1/2021 at 6:31 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said: I think that Beasley would dearly love to try to get a 1,000 yard season and the Bills aren't wanting to rain on his parade but would prefer to sit him this Sunday and give him more chance to heal or at least higher probability to be available for the playoff game. Expand Concede the victory to Miami only if they let Beasley catch a 33 yard throw in a wheel chair. Win/win.
Mr. WEO Posted January 1, 2021 Posted January 1, 2021 On 1/1/2021 at 7:02 PM, HappyDays said: That's because we have a QB capable of elevating the players around him. Literally every receiver on the team has had a career year with Allen throwing the ball (even John Brown last year had a career year). Davis has been a decent possession receiver that gets open in the end zone because Diggs draws so much attention. I haven't seen enough evidence that he can separate consistently enough to be a #2 WR in the league but it's possible he'll develop. I like him as a #4 option but Stills is even better at that spot. Expand Houston, the #4 passing Offense in the League, didn't think so. He was, however, part of (with Tunsil and a 4th) one of the most lopsided trades in years. 1
Warcodered Posted January 1, 2021 Posted January 1, 2021 On 1/1/2021 at 7:18 PM, Mr. WEO said: Houston, the #4 passing Offense in the League, didn't think so. He was, however, part of (with Tunsil and a 4th) one of the most lopsided trades in years. Expand Because Houston has been known for making great WR decisions this year.
Mr. WEO Posted January 1, 2021 Posted January 1, 2021 On 1/1/2021 at 7:21 PM, Warcodered said: Because Houston has been known for making great WR decisions this year. Expand They are the #4 passing Offense. Ball catchers are not their problem. Stills was a dud this year. They dumped him and their passing game didn't miss him.
{::'KayCeeS::} Posted January 1, 2021 Posted January 1, 2021 On 1/1/2021 at 7:16 PM, HappyDays said: Yeah he runs good vertical routes but that's about it. Outside of that he is really just a possession receiver. If he develops I think his ceiling is as a #3 outside option that you use for chunk plays. If we ever try to make him our permanent #2 option I don't think it will work out. Expand Perhaps your right. It just reminds me of all the people who want to cut ties with Brown for "salary cap reasons" even though his cap hit is reasonable. Why would you want to get rid of maybe the best #2 WR in the league? 1
SCBills Posted January 1, 2021 Posted January 1, 2021 On 1/1/2021 at 7:24 PM, {::'KayCeeS::} said: Perhaps your right. It just reminds me of all the people who want to cut ties with Brown for "salary cap reasons" even though his cap hit is reasonable. Why would you want to get rid of maybe the best #2 WR in the league? Expand Same reason as the Milano discussion. Availability. Brown’s speed does nothing if he’s out half the season. I don’t mind keeping him next year, but I’d like to have another speed threat on the roster in case he catches the injury bug again.
Mr. WEO Posted January 1, 2021 Posted January 1, 2021 On 1/1/2021 at 7:24 PM, {::'KayCeeS::} said: Perhaps your right. It just reminds me of all the people who want to cut ties with Brown for "salary cap reasons" even though his cap hit is reasonable. Why would you want to get rid of maybe the best #2 WR in the league? Expand Who? Brown? He's not even the #2 WR on this team. Then there's Lockett, Ridley, Moore, Godwin.........
SCBills Posted January 1, 2021 Posted January 1, 2021 On 1/1/2021 at 7:35 PM, Mr. WEO said: Who? Brown? He's not even the #2 WR on this team. Then there's Lockett, Ridley, Moore, Godwin......... Expand Brown is up there when healthy. Not the best #2 WR, but certainly up there.
{::'KayCeeS::} Posted January 1, 2021 Posted January 1, 2021 On 1/1/2021 at 7:32 PM, SCBills said: Same reason as the Milano discussion. Availability. Brown’s speed does nothing if he’s out half the season. I don’t mind keeping him next year, but I’d like to have another speed threat on the roster in case he catches the injury bug again. Expand 2014 Arizona Cardinals 16 2015 Arizona Cardinals 15 2016 Arizona Cardinals 15 2017 Arizona Cardinals 10 2018 Baltimore Ravens 16 2019 Buffalo Bills 15 2020 Buffalo Bills 8 This is the games Brown has played in his NFL career. You say availability? That's obviously a red herring. On 1/1/2021 at 7:35 PM, Mr. WEO said: Who? Brown? He's not even the #2 WR on this team. Then there's Lockett, Ridley, Moore, Godwin......... Expand He's obviously the #2 WR on this team. But you know that. Is he the best #2? You raise a good counter-argument there. But the idea that he should be discarded is absolutely ridiculous, imo. 3
Mr. WEO Posted January 1, 2021 Posted January 1, 2021 On 1/1/2021 at 7:38 PM, SCBills said: Brown is up there when healthy. Not the best #2 WR, but certainly up there. Expand Maybe. He's had 2 seasons barely over 1000 in his career--one with the Bills when he was the de facto #1 with Beasley and Knox as about all they had. This year, he wasn't nearly on pace to break 1000 again. Clearly Beasley is Josh's second favorite target. That won't change with Brown back in the lineup--especially now with Davis there too.
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