PrimeTime101 Posted December 30, 2020 Posted December 30, 2020 (edited) Just to give you an idea where Josh is compared to the last 9 QB's that got MVP in the last 10 years. 2010. Tom Brady 3900 Yards, 65.9% Completion, 36 TD, 4 INT, 117.2 Rate 2011. Aaron Rodgers 4643 Yards, 68.3% Completion, 45 TD, 6 INT, 122.5 Rate 2013. Peyton Manning 5477 Yards, 68.3% Completion, 55 TD, 10 INT, 115.1 Rate 2014. Aaron Rodgers 4381 Yards, 65.6% Completion, 38 TD, 5 INT, 112.2 Rate 2015. Cam Newton 3837 Yards, 59.8% Completion, 35 TD, 10 INT, 99.4 Rate Rushing 636 yards, 10 TD----------------*45 total TD 2016. Mat Ryan 4944 Yards, 69.9% Completion, 38 TD, 7 INT, 117.1 Rate 2017. Tom Brady 4577 Yards, 66.3% Completion, 32TD, 8 INT 117.2 Rate 2018. Patrick Mahomes 5097 Yards, 66.3% Completion, 50 TD, 12 INT 113.8 Rate Rushing 272 Yards, 2 TD 52 total 2019. Lamar Jackson 3127 yards, 66.1% Completion, 36 TD, 6 INT, 113.3 Rate Rushing 1206 Yards 7TD ************** 4333 total yards 43 total TD 2020 Josh Allen 4320 Yards, 69.1 Completion, 34 TD, 9 INT, 106.4 Rate Rushing 418, 8TD ==================== 4738 total Yards 42 total TD 1 Reception TD = 43 total So more total yards then Lamar last year, about the same TD, little less Rate, more INT. To me... You have apples in what Lamar did last year and orange in what Mahomes did the year before. I also see how close Josh is to cams year in 2015 so bottom line.. Compare and tell me what years Josh is better this year compared to that year? I also feel Josh's Injury affected him this year but this topic is just based on where Josh stands.. not excuses.. not MVP topic. Thoughts. Edited December 30, 2020 by PrimeTime101 1 2
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted December 30, 2020 Posted December 30, 2020 36 +7 =43 for Lamar Same number as Allen this year because you left out his receiving TD.
PrimeTime101 Posted December 30, 2020 Author Posted December 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Josh also has a receiving TD. added 2 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: 36 +7 =43 for Lamar Same number as Allen this year because you left out his receiving TD. fixed
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted December 30, 2020 Posted December 30, 2020 Basically if this were 2010, 2014, 2015, 2016 or 2017 Allen would likely win. It's tough to win the MVP. But I have no doubt he'll win multiple before all is said and done. Kind of surprised they don't give one out for each conference. I looked at the history and they started to do that back in the day for about 10-15 years and then stopped in like 1980.
PrimeTime101 Posted December 30, 2020 Author Posted December 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: Basically if this were 2010, 2014, 2015, 2016 or 2017 Allen would likely win. It's tough to win the MVP. But I have no doubt he'll win multiple before all is said and done. Kind of surprised they don't give one out for each conference. I looked at the history and they started to do that back in the day for about 10-15 years and then stopped in like 1980. 2010 Yes 2014 Yes 2015 Its close lol 2016 Yes 2017 Yes I cant disagree
Gonzonzo Posted December 30, 2020 Posted December 30, 2020 Dont know if I am the only one, but I dont Josh wins MVP this season. He is extremlly competitive and I prefer he has this chip in his shoulder and destroy the rivals next season (again).
PrimeTime101 Posted December 30, 2020 Author Posted December 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, BruceVilanch said: That 2013 Manning season is absurd. I agree.. those numbers wont be beat for a while.. lol Just now, Gonzonzo said: Dont know if I am the only one, but I dont Josh wins MVP this season. He is extremlly competitive and I prefer he has this chip in his shoulder and destroy the rivals next season (again). read up.. I don't want to talk about MVP for this year.. there is enough topics on this.. This is just comparing from prior MVP's and the Direction Allen is going. 1
Kelly the Dog Posted December 30, 2020 Posted December 30, 2020 Stat comparison should be more for Offensive Player of the Year. MVP is supposed to be a different concept. Josh and Rodgers are pretty close as to who is more valuable to his team. 3
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted December 30, 2020 Posted December 30, 2020 Just now, PrimeTime101 said: I agree.. those numbers wont be beat for a while.. lol Well, they are adding a 17th game unfortunately so might not be that long. But adjusted for a 16 game season, yeah it could be a while. But I do think we will start to see more TD's. Wouldn't be shocked at all to see a QB combine for 63 or 64 total TD's soon which would basically be an adjusted total of 60 for a 16 game season. Maybe it is just this hot streak where Allen has 8 TD's in two games but I feel like Allen can get 3 TD's in his sleep. Heck, he should have had about 14 these last two games if he had played the entire game and not had some dropped/called back. It's literally only a matter of time before Allen totals 7 in a game. Only question would be will the game be close enough for him to be still in it. Just now, Kelly the Dog said: Stat comparison should be more for Offensive Player of the Year. MVP is supposed to be a different concept. Josh and Rodgers are pretty close as to who is more valuable to his team. Great point that definitely seems to be lost. 1
78thealltimegreat Posted December 30, 2020 Posted December 30, 2020 57 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said: Just to give you an idea where Josh is compared to the last 9 QB's that got MVP in the last 10 years. 2010. Tom Brady 3900 Yards, 65.9% Completion, 36 TD, 4 INT, 117.2 Rate 2011. Aaron Rodgers 4643 Yards, 68.3% Completion, 45 TD, 6 INT, 122.5 Rate 2013. Peyton Manning 5477 Yards, 68.3% Completion, 55 TD, 10 INT, 115.1 Rate 2014. Aaron Rodgers 4381 Yards, 65.6% Completion, 38 TD, 5 INT, 112.2 Rate 2015. Cam Newton 3837 Yards, 59.8% Completion, 35 TD, 10 INT, 99.4 Rate Rushing 636 yards, 10 TD----------------*45 total TD 2016. Mat Ryan 4944 Yards, 69.9% Completion, 38 TD, 7 INT, 117.1 Rate 2017. Tom Brady 4577 Yards, 66.3% Completion, 32TD, 8 INT 117.2 Rate 2018. Patrick Mahomes 5097 Yards, 66.3% Completion, 50 TD, 12 INT 113.8 Rate Rushing 272 Yards, 2 TD 52 total 2019. Lamar Jackson 3127 yards, 66.1% Completion, 36 TD, 6 INT, 113.3 Rate Rushing 1206 Yards 7TD ************** 4333 total yards 43 total TD 2020 Josh Allen 4320 Yards, 69.1 Completion, 34 TD, 9 INT, 106.4 Rate Rushing 418, 8TD ==================== 4738 total Yards 42 total TD 1 Reception TD = 43 total So more total yards then Lamar last year, about the same TD, little less Rate, more INT. To me... You have apples in what Lamar did last year and orange in what Mahomes did the year before. I also see how close Josh is to cams year in 2015 so bottom line.. Compare and tell me what years Josh is better this year compared to that year? I also feel Josh's Injury affected him this year but this topic is just based on where Josh stands.. not excuses.. not MVP topic. Thoughts. He’s technically had a better or at least as good a season as 2010,2011, 2014,2015,2017, and 2019 why he’s not league MVP with a much tougher schedule then Rogers has played is beyond me 1
PrimeTime101 Posted December 30, 2020 Author Posted December 30, 2020 6 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: He’s technically had a better or at least as good a season as 2010,2011, 2014,2015,2017, and 2019 why he’s not league MVP with a much tougher schedule then Rogers has played is beyond me agree 45 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: Stat comparison should be more for Offensive Player of the Year. MVP is supposed to be a different concept. Josh and Rodgers are pretty close as to who is more valuable to his team. So name all the things you think they look at in deciding an MVP. If you think baseline stats is something they don't look at then your sadly mistaken. If you think that numbers is part of the equation then what's the other parts?
Thurman#1 Posted December 30, 2020 Posted December 30, 2020 1 hour ago, PrimeTime101 said: Just to give you an idea where Josh is compared to the last 9 QB's that got MVP in the last 10 years. 2010. Tom Brady 3900 Yards, 65.9% Completion, 36 TD, 4 INT, 117.2 Rate 2011. Aaron Rodgers 4643 Yards, 68.3% Completion, 45 TD, 6 INT, 122.5 Rate 2013. Peyton Manning 5477 Yards, 68.3% Completion, 55 TD, 10 INT, 115.1 Rate 2014. Aaron Rodgers 4381 Yards, 65.6% Completion, 38 TD, 5 INT, 112.2 Rate 2015. Cam Newton 3837 Yards, 59.8% Completion, 35 TD, 10 INT, 99.4 Rate Rushing 636 yards, 10 TD----------------*45 total TD 2016. Mat Ryan 4944 Yards, 69.9% Completion, 38 TD, 7 INT, 117.1 Rate 2017. Tom Brady 4577 Yards, 66.3% Completion, 32TD, 8 INT 117.2 Rate 2018. Patrick Mahomes 5097 Yards, 66.3% Completion, 50 TD, 12 INT 113.8 Rate Rushing 272 Yards, 2 TD 52 total 2019. Lamar Jackson 3127 yards, 66.1% Completion, 36 TD, 6 INT, 113.3 Rate Rushing 1206 Yards 7TD ************** 4333 total yards 43 total TD 2020 Josh Allen 4320 Yards, 69.1 Completion, 34 TD, 9 INT, 106.4 Rate Rushing 418, 8TD ==================== 4738 total Yards 42 total TD 1 Reception TD = 43 total So more total yards then Lamar last year, about the same TD, little less Rate, more INT. To me... You have apples in what Lamar did last year and orange in what Mahomes did the year before. I also see how close Josh is to cams year in 2015 so bottom line.. Compare and tell me what years Josh is better this year compared to that year? I also feel Josh's Injury affected him this year but this topic is just based on where Josh stands.. not excuses.. not MVP topic. Thoughts. I think you're seriously misusing the word "every" in your headline. This isn't "every QB MVP stat for the lst 10 years." Not even close. It's some stats, the stats that make up passer rating and a few running stats thrown in. As for comparisons, they aren't really fair. QB stats and offensive stats generally are way up this year what with nobody in the stands and defenses not having the offseason to prepare. Still, a hell of a year for Josh. Rodgers' stats are clearly better, though, and probably Mahomes too. But again, an absolutely terrific year for Josh. Oh, and what does this question mean? "Compare and tell me what years Josh is better this year compared to that year?" Hunh?
Kelly the Dog Posted December 30, 2020 Posted December 30, 2020 17 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said: agree So name all the things you think they look at in deciding an MVP. If you think baseline stats is something they don't look at then your sadly mistaken. If you think that numbers is part of the equation then what's the other parts? Of course they look at stats the most. Too much. That’s why I said “supposed to be.” By definition it should be a different concept but too often it’s slanted too much toward stats. That, by definition, should be more relevant to OPOY. 2
Thurman#1 Posted December 30, 2020 Posted December 30, 2020 (edited) 28 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said: So name all the things you think they look at in deciding an MVP. If you think baseline stats is something they don't look at then your sadly mistaken. If you think that numbers is part of the equation then what's the other parts? I can't answer for him, but I think the main thing they use for MVP is how well a guy plays compared to other candidates that same year. Just the stats: Mahomes 66.3% completions, 4740 yards, 38 TDs to 6 INTs and 108.2 passer rating Rodgers 70.3% completions, 4059 yards, 44 DTs to 5 INTs and 119.4 passer rating. Again, Allen's playing at an elite level right now, but this year has produced a lot of insane offensive statistics. It's not fair to compare this year's stats with other years without accounting for that. Edited December 30, 2020 by Thurman#1 1
Nelius Posted December 30, 2020 Posted December 30, 2020 General thought is that it's insane that he's even putting up a comparable line. Did anybody really expect this by year 3? I'd take '20 Josh Allen over '10 Brady, '14 Rodgers, '15 Newton, '17 Brady, and maybe even Lamar last year. For this year's MVP, the stats are there, it's just a shame that we may be seeing absolute peak Aaron Rodgers this year. I think I even remember some talking heads pondering if the window was starting to shut on Rodgers a year or two ago. Clearly nope. But outside of freak-Rodgers, it's also clear that Allen is putting up MVP numbers right now, and if this is anywhere near his new baseline then he'll get one eventually.
Buffalo_Stampede Posted December 30, 2020 Posted December 30, 2020 Co-mvps IMO for Allen and Rodgers. 2
Aussie Joe Posted December 30, 2020 Posted December 30, 2020 Unfortunately he is competing against what Rodgers is doing in 2020, not what Tom Brady did in 2010...
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