Chicken Boo Posted December 29, 2020 Posted December 29, 2020 8 hours ago, popcornpam said: I’m from Rochester. I live in Houston and he signed his contract before Bob traded away Hopkins! Hopkins was traded in March. Deshaun re-signed in September.
Orlando Buffalo Posted December 29, 2020 Posted December 29, 2020 Josh with no more talent in 2018 won more than Watson has this year as a rookie. Watson is a good qb but not special.
FireChans Posted December 29, 2020 Posted December 29, 2020 20 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: Josh with no more talent in 2018 won more than Watson has this year as a rookie. Watson is a good qb but not special. Josh is 2018 had 18 TD's. Watson has 33 this year. This take is not special. 1
GunnerBill Posted December 29, 2020 Posted December 29, 2020 7 minutes ago, FireChans said: Josh is 2018 had 18 TD's. Watson has 33 this year. This take is not special. That is the kind way of putting it. That take sucks. The Bills of 2018 were still a top 5 defense. The Texans defense is currently 30th.
Doc Posted December 29, 2020 Posted December 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: That is the kind way of putting it. That take sucks. The Bills of 2018 were still a top 5 defense. The Texans defense is currently 30th. I’ve heard a worse take…
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted December 29, 2020 Posted December 29, 2020 The Hopkins trade may be the worst in NFL history. They got a 2nd round pick and an old running back in exchange for a top-10 player in the NFL.
Orlando Buffalo Posted December 30, 2020 Posted December 30, 2020 23 hours ago, FireChans said: Josh is 2018 had 18 TD's. Watson has 33 this year. This take is not special. Josh in 2018 averaged almost 2 TDs per start, about the same as Watson and he was hot garbage for his first 5 starts. Watson is clearly far better than 2018 Josh but that does not make him special.
NewEra Posted December 30, 2020 Posted December 30, 2020 5 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: Josh in 2018 averaged almost 2 TDs per start, about the same as Watson and he was hot garbage for his first 5 starts. Watson is clearly far better than 2018 Josh but that does not make him special. Most people would disagree with you. Watson is special.
FireChans Posted December 30, 2020 Posted December 30, 2020 23 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said: Josh with no more talent in 2018 won more than Watson has this year as a rookie. Watson is a good qb but not special. 10 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: Josh in 2018 averaged almost 2 TDs per start, about the same as Watson and he was hot garbage for his first 5 starts. Watson is clearly far better than 2018 Josh but that does not make him special. Weird how the story changes from the original post. Watson is legit. You are incorrect.
Orlando Buffalo Posted December 30, 2020 Posted December 30, 2020 Just now, FireChans said: Weird how the story changes from the original post. Watson is legit. You are incorrect. The story did not change- I wrote the words Watson is good. We can disagree but don't say I change my story. I think there are 5 QBs in the league who can elevate a team and Watson is not one of them. 10 minutes ago, NewEra said: Most people would disagree with you. Watson is special. I will ask which games did you watch where watson took a losing team to victory? I don't mean it sarcastically, I have watched him a bunch- 10+ times- and never seen him be the guy like Josh or Mahomes. What games have you seen him take over? I will admit it if I see it.
BobbyC81 Posted December 30, 2020 Posted December 30, 2020 On 12/28/2020 at 8:20 AM, mattynh said: On any given year with poor leadership and cap managment, sure. I think Houston will be a force down the road though. Watson is great and they will be a team to deal with moving forward. The QB is one of three parts you need, the others are coaching and cap management. The Saints have struggled with cap management. Tee Falcons have struggled with coaching and cap management. In general if you get a top 5 type QB you should be able to consistently compete. I still think we need the element of time to put Allen in that category. The other thing, a couple examples of teams that had success only to fall off once the OC left, Philly and Atlanta....the new OC (if Daboll leaves) will be really important. I wonder if Dorsey could handle the job if promoted? Of course, he could go with Daboll. You’d have some continuity with Dorsey. I would not want to see a new OC with a very different offense who brings in a new QB coach. Josh has excelled this year being with the same OC for 3 years and QB coach for two.
FireChans Posted December 30, 2020 Posted December 30, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: The story did not change- I wrote the words Watson is good. We can disagree but don't say I change my story. I think there are 5 QBs in the league who can elevate a team and Watson is not one of them. I will ask which games did you watch where watson took a losing team to victory? I don't mean it sarcastically, I have watched him a bunch- 10+ times- and never seen him be the guy like Josh or Mahomes. What games have you seen him take over? I will admit it if I see it. lol you must have missed this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiSv4ReZj7A Edited December 30, 2020 by FireChans
NewEra Posted December 30, 2020 Posted December 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Buffalo Timmy said: The story did not change- I wrote the words Watson is good. We can disagree but don't say I change my story. I think there are 5 QBs in the league who can elevate a team and Watson is not one of them. I will ask which games did you watch where watson took a losing team to victory? I don't mean it sarcastically, I have watched him a bunch- 10+ times- and never seen him be the guy like Josh or Mahomes. What games have you seen him take over? I will admit it if I see it. I could care less what you think. Continue to be ignant
SirAndrew Posted December 30, 2020 Posted December 30, 2020 (edited) On 12/28/2020 at 12:44 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said: There was a time in Stafford's career where making the playoffs every year was anticipated (twice in first 4 years, three times in first 6 years). St Louis Rams were one of the big examples of how a franchise QB does not cure all ills. When they drafted Sam Bradford, they went 7-9 his rookie season with Pat Shurmur as OC, missed winning the NFC West on a tiebreaker, and the future looked bright. But Pat Shurmur was hired away to be the head coach of the Cleveland Browns and Spagnuolo had the genius idea to replace him with Josh McDaniels, hot off being fired by the Broncs, and the Rams went 2-14 with Bradford looking like an incompetent joke (next year under Schottenheimer, he resumed looking as though he had potential) Coaching matters. Overall talent matters. You need a QB, but with very very rare exceptions a QB is not enough. If he were, Rodgers might have more than one Superbowl belt Sam Bradford was a franchise QB ? I think everyone agrees with your greater point that QB’s need a supporting cast, but true franchise QB’s overcome being on a weak team. Obviously they aren’t going to become Super Bowl champs, but it’s possible to succeed more than guys like Stafford and Bradford. Look at what Allen did with mediocre talent on offense last season. Allen has all the intangibles that separates him from the Bradford’s and Stafford’s of the world. QB’s are putting up insane numbers in today’s NFL. There’s so much more than just the numbers. I’m not saying Stafford is a bad QB, but he does lack plenty. Watson’s team is a having a bad season, I’ll cut Watson slack for that since he’s still putting up great numbers. With that said, if Watson QB’s a bunch of 5 wins teams for the rest of his career I’d begin to question him. I doubt that will happen because his intangibles are twice that of a Stafford. Edited December 30, 2020 by SirAndrew
mannc Posted December 30, 2020 Posted December 30, 2020 On 12/28/2020 at 8:25 PM, SageAgainstTheMachine said: The Hopkins trade may be the worst in NFL history. They got a 2nd round pick and an old running back in exchange for a top-10 player in the NFL. It’s bad, but it’s not even the worst trade the Texans have made in the last year.
Penfield45 Posted December 30, 2020 Posted December 30, 2020 On 12/28/2020 at 10:39 PM, Buffalo Timmy said: Josh with no more talent in 2018 won more than Watson has this year as a rookie. Watson is a good qb but not special. delusional take Watson is playing like a top 5 QB on one of the worst offenses in the league
Orlando Buffalo Posted December 30, 2020 Posted December 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, Penfield45 said: delusional take Watson is playing like a top 5 QB on one of the worst offenses in the league So who is Watson better than right now- Josh, Rodgers, Mahomes, Wilson, Brees, LJ, Tannehill?
mannc Posted December 30, 2020 Posted December 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Buffalo Timmy said: So who is Watson better than right now- Josh, Rodgers, Mahomes, Wilson, Brees, LJ, Tannehill? The last three on your list. Brees isn’t even top 20 right about now. 1
GunnerBill Posted December 30, 2020 Posted December 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: So who is Watson better than right now- Josh, Rodgers, Mahomes, Wilson, Brees, LJ, Tannehill? The top 5 is very clear to me - it's Rodgers, Mahomes, Allen, Watson and Wilson. Brees is done. Brady is wildly inconsistent at this point and has had some absolute clunkers. And yes, Deshaun Watson is a lot better than Jackson and Tannehill. 2 minutes ago, mannc said: The last three on your list. Brees isn’t even top 20 right about now. I love Drew, he has been my favorite player in the league for about 15 years so I hate to say this.... I don't even know if he gives the Saints the best chance to win at this point.
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