Mr. K Posted December 28, 2020 Posted December 28, 2020 2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: When Stafford had a top 3 D, the Lions lost the WC game. When he had top 10 D, they went 6-10. Without Nuk, Watson is having the best season of his career. Honestly I never thought Detroit had ranked that good on defense. I also don't think Stafford has had a running back get close to 1000 in a season maybe not even a tandem. They have been missing a lot in Detroit for a while... part of the reason my wife needs to jump ship to the Bills vessel. If Watson had Nuk this year it may have added or taken away from his production. I would like to think it would've added since he is top 5 at his position. It could've taken away if Hopkins demands targets to the point it hurts the offense.. They also have a defense that isn't good enough and I can't speak on their running game but all phases matter to each other towards winning. Off year for the team and on year for the QB. Both have to align.
GunnerBill Posted December 28, 2020 Posted December 28, 2020 1 hour ago, popcornpam said: All I know was Hopkins was really surprised that it happened I don’t know the date exactly I could look back Hopkins was surprised, yes. But Watson hadn't signed his deal then.
John from Riverside Posted December 28, 2020 Posted December 28, 2020 Lions have been showing that for years
HappyDays Posted December 28, 2020 Posted December 28, 2020 5 hours ago, Bob in STL said: Rumor I heard from someone in Buffalo is that the Texans are very interested in Daboll (HC) and Joe Schoen (GM). I hope this is false. Eh I think people are a little too frightened about the prospect of Daboll coaching another team in the AFC. Being a good OC does not automatically make one a good HC. As the Texans themselves recently discovered.
Doc Posted December 28, 2020 Posted December 28, 2020 3 hours ago, GunnerBill said: And covid allowing by the time they need to pay anyone Watson's contract will be looked at as part of a higher cap. You have a point. By the time they get good players again...
GunnerBill Posted December 28, 2020 Posted December 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Doc said: You have a point. By the time they get good players again... Exactly. There is another year that will be tricky (although there are some easy cuts as well for 2021), but then they basically have free reign. A good regime could have them back in the playoffs in 2 seasons IMO. 14 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Eh I think people are a little too frightened about the prospect of Daboll coaching another team in the AFC. Being a good OC does not automatically make one a good HC. As the Texans themselves recently discovered. To be fair to BOB I don't think he was a terrible coach. Won divisions (albeit weaker divisions) with Hoyer and the Brocketship. But he is a dreadful GM who let his ego totally takeover. BOB the GM got BOB the Head Coach fired.
Mr. WEO Posted December 28, 2020 Posted December 28, 2020 3 hours ago, RyanC883 said: Watson and Watt should request trades. I think Watt would love the winning and culture here true, but this is the year of no holding and Fuller not getting injured until later. watson likely would be even better this year with Nuk. I really don't think so.
Reks Ryan Posted December 28, 2020 Posted December 28, 2020 With a solid stable organization and a healthy franchise QB, you should expect to be above .500 every year. Only Looking at years the franchise QB played all 16 games. - Rodgers only years at .500 or below. GB went 6 - 10 in 2008 (his first full year starting) and 6-9-1 in 2018. Otherwise winning record and I believe in playoffs. - Roethlisberger. Only once at .500, 8 - 8 in 2013. All other healthy years, Steelers had a winning record. - Rivers - He had a few down years. 2015 4-12, 2016 5-11, 2019 5 - 11. But, the majority of his seasons have been double digit wins. I would say Chargers not as stable as Pitt and GB, and whereas Big Ben and Rodgers have been top 5 QBs most of their career, Rivers has been more like top 10 and even lower in recent years. It's the exception that proves the rule, but franchise QB and organizational stability are still most predictive for sustained success.
GunnerBill Posted December 28, 2020 Posted December 28, 2020 15 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: I really don't think so. I am not convinced either, as great as Nuke is. The Texans overall might have a win or two more because the balls that Coutee and Fells dropped and fumbled with games on the line might have gone to Hopkins and been caught, but the difference overall would have been minimal. However, there were lots of people convinced Watson was gonna drop off without him. 1
Mr. WEO Posted December 28, 2020 Posted December 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Mr. K said: Honestly I never thought Detroit had ranked that good on defense. I also don't think Stafford has had a running back get close to 1000 in a season maybe not even a tandem. They have been missing a lot in Detroit for a while... part of the reason my wife needs to jump ship to the Bills vessel. If Watson had Nuk this year it may have added or taken away from his production. I would like to think it would've added since he is top 5 at his position. It could've taken away if Hopkins demands targets to the point it hurts the offense.. They also have a defense that isn't good enough and I can't speak on their running game but all phases matter to each other towards winning. Off year for the team and on year for the QB. Both have to align. In 2013, Lions had Reggie Bush rush for 2000. 7-9. Stafford is a dud. It's hard to argue that after a few years with Hopkins and then his best year after Hopkins was gone, that Watkins would have been even better with Hopkins this year.
TBBills Posted December 28, 2020 Posted December 28, 2020 6 hours ago, Big Turk said: Well...I guess the Lions do every year too with Stafford but Watson's Texans routinely make the playoffs...they hosted us last year after winning the division... Watson has MVP caliber numbers this year... Almost 4500 yards passing, completing 70.1% of his passes with 30 TDs to 6 INTs and a 112.6 rating. It is almost impossible for a team to be this bad with a QB performing at this level. And now they currently would be drafting 3rd overall? Just seems like a huge dropoff considering Watson has played very well this year and how much QBs can do to influence the outcome of games. Does this fly in the face of people who say Franchise QBs will guarantee you 7 or 8 wins? Certainly seems to. Saints did it also... We have seen it plenty of times.
BuffaloBill Posted December 28, 2020 Posted December 28, 2020 Personnel management matters. The Texans fell off the cliff.
HappyDays Posted December 28, 2020 Posted December 28, 2020 25 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: To be fair to BOB I don't think he was a terrible coach. Won divisions (albeit weaker divisions) with Hoyer and the Brocketship. I would gladly take O'Brien as our OC next year if Daboll does in fact leave. His play design is great, he just can't manage a team.
GunnerBill Posted December 28, 2020 Posted December 28, 2020 1 minute ago, TBBills said: Saints did it also... We have seen it plenty of times. Saints were a good example. 7-9, 7-9, 7-9 with Brees at Quarterback. But their defenses were 31st, 31st and 27th. When Drew's defense has been 26th or better he has gone to the playoffs.
Doc Posted December 28, 2020 Posted December 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I would gladly take O'Brien as our OC next year if Daboll does in fact leave. His play design is great, he just can't manage a team. Same. As an OC he can't do a lot of damage.
GunnerBill Posted December 28, 2020 Posted December 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I would gladly take O'Brien as our OC next year if Daboll does in fact leave. His play design is great, he just can't manage a team. He runs the same basic scheme as Daboll too. My worry is him not being a personality fit with our staff.
White Linen Posted December 28, 2020 Posted December 28, 2020 You cannot get rid of weapons until your QB is fully developed.
Big Turk Posted December 28, 2020 Author Posted December 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Saints were a good example. 7-9, 7-9, 7-9 with Brees at Quarterback. But their defenses were 31st, 31st and 27th. When Drew's defense has been 26th or better he has gone to the playoffs. Oh yeah...under Rob "I will have a job in 5 minutes" Ryan who then said he wasn't allowed to run his scheme.
FireChans Posted December 28, 2020 Posted December 28, 2020 Nothing is a guarantee against being bad. A franchise QB means you always have a chance to be competitive. Give Houston a mediocre QB and they are winless this season. Its why the Pats get so much love. They never had a down year. Peyton had them. Brees had them. Rivers had them. Ben had them. Ryan had them. Wilson had them. Having a great QB means that at any point in time, you are a year or two away from contending. You will have good years, bad years and in between years. But if you get a solid group around “the guy” you can win it all.
GunnerBill Posted December 28, 2020 Posted December 28, 2020 9 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Oh yeah...under Rob "I will have a job in 5 minutes" Ryan who then said he wasn't allowed to run his scheme. Yea the two 31sts were under Rob. He actually had a decent first year there in 2013 when their D was decent but it was a historically bad two year stretch in 14 and 15.
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