3 prisons to close in upstate NY

[That's No Moon]

7 minutes ago, LeviF91 said:

New York doesn't use private prisons, geniuses. 

I'm aware of that. You don't think the union the correctional officers are part of does the same thing?

6 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

True. Most of them are wonderful people, right?

 

Tell me, do you advocate bringing them into your nerighborhood? Would you like their offspring to atted school with your children?

So what then, life sentences or death penalty for everyone?

[LeviF]

3 minutes ago, That's No Moon said:

I'm aware of that. You don't think the union the correctional officers are part of does the same thing?

 

 

Is your argument that the case for longer sentences is simply "gib more monies and jobz please?"  That there's no other reasoning for it?

 

Or is it that there's two tiers of prisoners: murdering psychopaths and good boys who didn't do nothin wrong it's those damn police?

[That's No Moon]

15 minutes ago, LeviF91 said:

 

Is your argument that the case for longer sentences is simply "gib more monies and jobz please?"  That there's no other reasoning for it?

 

Or is it that there's two tiers of prisoners: murdering psychopaths and good boys who didn't do nothin wrong it's those damn police?

My argument is that in many cases sentencing guidelines have been revised upwards in the last 30 years with very little to show for it other than exponential expenditure in corrections. It's incredibly expensive to incarcerate people and anything you can do to keep as many lower level offenders out of prison is beneficial for everyone involved. There is more to it than that but that is the gist.

[LeviF]

4 minutes ago, That's No Moon said:

My argument is that in many cases sentencing guidelines have been revised upwards in the last 30 years with very little to show for it other than exponential expenditure in corrections. It's incredibly expensive to incarcerate people and anything you can do to keep as many lower level offenders out of prison is beneficial for everyone involved. There is more to it than that but that is the gist.

 

Which "lower level offenders" are spending time in prisons (1+ year sentence) in NYS?

 

In principle I don't disagree but I find that people have a very hard time actually figuring out who is actually a lower-level offender based on incarceration data, including the crime they were found guilty of, for a number of reasons.

[BUFFALOKIE]

39 minutes ago, LeviF91 said:

New York doesn't use private prisons, geniuses. 

...yet

[LeviF]

2 minutes ago, BUFFALOKIE said:

...yet

 

It's state law but go off I guess

[BUFFALOKIE]

Just now, LeviF91 said:

 

It's state law but go off I guess

I am surmising that you know more about this subject than I do. I cannot argue NY (or any other) state penal system policy. Maybe my first post was ignorant. It may not be the case there, BUT, do you think that privatized for-profit prisons is a good idea?

[LeviF]

39 minutes ago, BUFFALOKIE said:

I am surmising that you know more about this subject than I do. I cannot argue NY (or any other) state penal system policy. Maybe my first post was ignorant. It may not be the case there, BUT, do you think that privatized for-profit prisons is a good idea?

 

What's the point of this question?  If I say, "no, it's not a good idea," it leads to nothing because we agree on a point that has nothing to do with the thread because it's against the law for a private company to operate a correctional facility in New York State (worse yet, it gives you a step up to a soapbox from whence you may bloviate about the evils of for-profit prisons).  If I say, "yeah they're the greatest things since sliced bread" then we argue about something that has nothing to do with the thread because, again, it's against the law for a private company to operate a correctional facility in New York State.

[NobesBLO13]

4 hours ago, Just Jack said:

 

Like maybe NYC or LA? 

😂 You are awesome

[BUFFALOKIE]

3 hours ago, LeviF91 said:

 

What's the point of this question?  If I say, "no, it's not a good idea," it leads to nothing because we agree on a point that has nothing to do with the thread because it's against the law for a private company to operate a correctional facility in New York State (worse yet, it gives you a step up to a soapbox from whence you may bloviate about the evils of for-profit prisons).  If I say, "yeah they're the greatest things since sliced bread" then we argue about something that has nothing to do with the thread because, again, it's against the law for a private company to operate a correctional facility in New York State.

You don't know me very well. I do not "bloviate", unlike, well, you.

[Bray Wyatt]

My wife is from Gowanda. She says the prison is probably the biggest employer and has the best jobs for people from her area. She was sad to hear this news. She said their particular prison was for people who were serving out their last 5 years of a longer sentence or something like that.

[Bill from NYC]

5 hours ago, That's No Moon said:

 

So what then, life sentences or death penalty for everyone?

The answer to your question is no.

 

I'll hang up and take your answer to my questions off the air. 😄

[LeviF]

4 hours ago, BUFFALOKIE said:

You don't know me very well. I do not "bloviate", unlike, well, you.

No, you just chime in with useless shitpoasts on topics of consequence that you know nothing about. 
 

Stay in Your Lane. 

[BUFFALOKIE]

19 minutes ago, LeviF91 said:

No, you just chime in with useless shitpoasts on topics of consequence that you know nothing about. 
 

Stay in Your Lane. 

Bite me. I stated my opinion, and even deferrerred to your intelligence on the topic. Still doesn't change my opinion. 

[BobbyC81]

On 12/26/2020 at 9:05 AM, TBBills said:

That's good, too many prisons as is.

A good friend, my niece’s husband and an uncle were all long-term prison guards in the NY State system.  All luckily are retired now.

[BarleyNY]

On 12/28/2020 at 10:54 AM, BUFFALOKIE said:

I came here to say something similar. A privatized penal system is complete bull####, and very scary.

I agree completely. It’s unconscionable to have privatized prisons. 

[Buffalo716]

I'm free!