Mel Kiper, Jr. as GM candidate? Yeah, it's possible.

[Buffalo Boy]

   The guy who said He’d retire if Jimmy Clausen didn’t make it in the NFL????

   Yeah, real talent evaluation prowess 😂😂😂

[Kwai San]

6 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Sorry Kwai. Mayock predicted the Bills would trade up for Josh. Had them trading with Colts thought. He had high regards for Josh

 

No need at all to apologize to an old dude like me....it was just all over the map - I did manage to ascertain that MM was liking the JA trade up....

[78thealltimegreat]

9 hours ago, BringBackFergy said:

Again, follow along here:

 

The greatest contributor to an NFL team's long term success is player evaluation and, more specifically, offensive talent at the QB position.

 

Who was the only analyst to really support Josh Allen, who saw through his "accuracy" issues and evaluated him as a high ceiling guy? Mel Kiper, Jr.

 

Below is a list of just a few experts who laughed at Kiper. Even his contemporary Todd McShay didn't have Allen as the best QB of the 2018 draft.

 

So Mike Mayock gets a gig as a GM for the Raiders...but was never "wowed by Allen" like he was with Carson Wentz. Hmmmm

 

If Mayock can be a GM, so can Mel "Freakin" Kiper. Would be a nice fit for the Jags, Jets, or Lions. He can select QB's and that's half the battle.

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/vincentfrank/2018/04/21/2018-nfl-draft-selecting-josh-allen-would-be-a-fatal-mistake-for-the-cleveland-browns/?sh=24eb657119e7 (Allen a Fatal Mistake)

 

https://buffalowdown.com/2018/04/25/2018-nfl-draft-why-the-bills-should-pass-on-josh-allen/ (Paolo Sattile)

 

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2767039-mel-kiper-2018-nfl-mock-draft-josh-allen-to-browns-amid-sam-darnold-rumors  (Kiper the only one to evaluate Allen properly)

 

TV personalities are becoming GM's...Mayock, Louis Riddick, etc.

 

Fire away Armchair GM's...after you blow the dust off your Josh Rosen jerseys.

 

 

 

 

 

That’s if you think Mayock and Louis Riddick have done good jobs knowing a guys 40 time or bench reps at a combine are way different then having your star player holdout of training camp and he feels the gm is disrespecting him 

[billsfan89]

Kiper having one fantastic take on Josh Allen isn't really qualifying him to be a GM. He has had as many bad takes/predictions as he has good ones. I think he might be better qualified to join a scouting staff but he probably makes more as a pundit.

[bobobonators]

On 12/23/2020 at 2:27 PM, BringBackFergy said:

Again, follow along here:

 

The greatest contributor to an NFL team's long term success is player evaluation and, more specifically, offensive talent at the QB position.

 

Who was the only analyst to really support Josh Allen, who saw through his "accuracy" issues and evaluated him as a high ceiling guy? Mel Kiper, Jr.

 

Below is a list of just a few experts who laughed at Kiper. Even his contemporary Todd McShay didn't have Allen as the best QB of the 2018 draft.

 

So Mike Mayock gets a gig as a GM for the Raiders...but was never "wowed by Allen" like he was with Carson Wentz. Hmmmm

 

If Mayock can be a GM, so can Mel "Freakin" Kiper. Would be a nice fit for the Jags, Jets, or Lions. He can select QB's and that's half the battle.

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/vincentfrank/2018/04/21/2018-nfl-draft-selecting-josh-allen-would-be-a-fatal-mistake-for-the-cleveland-browns/?sh=24eb657119e7 (Allen a Fatal Mistake)

 

https://buffalowdown.com/2018/04/25/2018-nfl-draft-why-the-bills-should-pass-on-josh-allen/ (Paolo Sattile)

 

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2767039-mel-kiper-2018-nfl-mock-draft-josh-allen-to-browns-amid-sam-darnold-rumors  (Kiper the only one to evaluate Allen properly)

 

TV personalities are becoming GM's...Mayock, Louis Riddick, etc.

 

Fire away Armchair GM's...after you blow the dust off your Josh Rosen jerseys.

 

 

 

 

 

Im not really following your logic. Mel does this for a living - sure he was right about Allen; however, he’s been wrong about many players. It doesnt mean he can or cant be a GM, it simply means he was right about Allen. If Joe Blow sitting on the couch at home, who knows and studies football inside and out as a serious hobby was right on Allen too, does that mean he could be an NFL GM? 

[mannc]

On 12/23/2020 at 11:34 AM, quinnearlysghost88 said:

He had a contrarian opinion of Josh Allen ipso facto NFL GM. 

Kiper was correct about Josh Allen, when most were wrong.  Don’t look now, but that’s Brandon Beane’s primary accomplishment as a GM, as well, and the reason he’s a GM of the year candidate instead of on the hot seat.

3 minutes ago, mannc said:

 

 

Edited December 25, 2020 by mannc

[mannc]

On 12/23/2020 at 1:39 PM, zow2 said:

 

His dad Phil Simms too.   Loved Allen,,, even when the other CBS crew laughed at him saying he's too much of a raw project to earn #7 overall.  Phil stood his ground.

Chris Simms’s draft analysis and predictions have been really solid.  He’s especially good at identifying guys who are under the radar but will be good pros.  And his QB analysis has been second to none.

Edited December 25, 2020 by mannc

[Beerball]

2 hours ago, bobobonators said:

Im not really following your logic. Mel does this for a living - sure he was right about Allen; however, he’s been wrong about many players. It doesnt mean he can or cant be a GM, it simply means he was right about Allen. If Joe Blow sitting on the couch at home, who knows and studies football inside and out as a serious hobby was right on Allen too, does that mean he could be an NFL GM? 

He was right about Burrow too and many, many QBs before him.  That's really all a GM needs to do well, is evaluate QBs.  Get that piece right and things fall into place.

[TBBills]

Mel Kiper getting emotionally angry over Josh Allen hate for his evaluation back when he was drafted.

 

 

[BringBackFergy]

4 hours ago, TBBills said:

Mel Kiper getting emotionally angry over Josh Allen hate for his evaluation back when he was drafted.

 

 

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Sustainable. Kiper speaks the truth and is FO material 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

It's a lottery.  The Bills won the lottery.  They maneuvered everything to take on those QBs.  If the Jets had taken Allen, Beane would have taken Rosen or Darnold and who knows where the Bills would be right now.  

On 12/23/2020 at 11:35 AM, Solomon Grundy said:

Mayock was very high on Josh Allen. He knew what was causing Josh’s accuracy issues

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2018/03/mike_mayock_on_josh_allens_nfl.html

Mayock loved JaMarcus Russell too.  These guys are like seismologists.  They are great at analyzing things that have already occurred but are worthless at predicting the future.  The only guy I would say that was ever consistently better than the rest was Ozzie Newsome.  All the rest either suck or are not better than the average GM.

[Gugny]

On 12/24/2020 at 12:14 AM, billsfan89 said:

Kiper having one fantastic take on Josh Allen isn't really qualifying him to be a GM. He has had as many bad takes/predictions as he has good ones. I think he might be better qualified to join a scouting staff but he probably makes more as a pundit.

 

Then why is Brandon Beane considered the second rising of Christ for picking Allen?  Kiper had Cody Ford projected as a 5th rounder.  Dawson Knox wasn't even on his radar.  We see how those two picks turned out.

[NewEra]

7 hours ago, mannc said:

Kiper was correct about Josh Allen, when most were wrong.  Don’t look now, but that’s Brandon Beane’s primary accomplishment as a GM, as well, and the reason he’s a GM of the year candidate instead of on the hot seat.

 

To be fair.....QB is EVERY GMs primary accomplishment.... or failure.  

you can add Diggs, Beasley, Brown, Feliciano, Morse and Daryl Williams.  Vernon butler has been playing very well as has Addison, Oliver, Klein, Taron johnson and Wallace.  I know many here that don’t consider the Tre’davious draft a Beane draft.....but it was.  Add tredavious, dawkins  and milano to the mix.

 

Beane has done a LOT of good, but you’re right, Allen is his primary accomplishment.  If he would’ve failed, than so would have some of these other acquisitions 

[machine gun kelly]

Why would he ever give up his easy gig where most people don’t even remember his analysis as at the core, he’s an entertainer to being completely accountable for his mistakes.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

10 hours ago, TBBills said:

Mel Kiper getting emotionally angry over Josh Allen hate for his evaluation back when he was drafted.

 

 

Is that Kiper, or is that Frank Caliendo doing Kiper? Seems like the poor guy's becoming unhinged.  😁

*
Actually, if he's going to 'go off' like that in team press conferences, it might be entertaining having him as a GM somewhere.  The more 'train wreck' of a franchise, the better.

Edited December 26, 2020 by Ridgewaycynic2013

[Rigotz]

Interesting idea, but wrong guy. Mel Kiper Jr. is a TV personality... nothing more, nothing less. There are dozens of legitimate talent evaluators I would pick before him, who have some fame.

 

Chris Simms is the guy who comes to mind. He said “Buffalo is going to build a statue for Josh Allen some day” ... do you remember that? He wasn’t just high on Allen, he was banging the drum. When everybody else jumped off the bandwagon, he stayed on as well.

 

Not sure if I would take him in the front office, but at least he was an NFL QB and took a hard stance on Allen.

[BringBackFergy]

Are you all saying that a prerequisite for being a good GM is that you should have played the game? Please don’t insult me (or Kiper) like that. 

[BRH]

That’s a great idea.  I think he should go to the Jets. 

[Thurman#1]

He's knowledgeable, smart and hard-working. He's made a lot of good calls through the years.

 

But he's 60. That's about enough right there, but there's more. He's always been happier as an outsider rather than a builder. He's never addressed team-building, never run a group of scouts, never had to deal with too much bureaucracy, never had to deal with a head coach.

 

Never showed much interest in anything but the draft and broadcasting.

 

Wildly unlikely.

[Thurman#1]

On 12/26/2020 at 12:55 PM, Ethan in Portland said:

It's a lottery.  The Bills won the lottery.  They maneuvered everything to take on those QBs.  If the Jets had taken Allen, Beane would have taken Rosen or Darnold and who knows where the Bills would be right now.  

Mayock loved JaMarcus Russell too.  These guys are like seismologists.  They are great at analyzing things that have already occurred but are worthless at predicting the future.  The only guy I would say that was ever consistently better than the rest was Ozzie Newsome.  All the rest either suck or are not better than the average GM.

 

 

That's flat out nonsense.

 

There are plenty of GMs who are obviously better than others, and on a long-term basis.

 

And the whole "lottery" thing is butt-stupid on the face of it. If it were a lottery we'd see as many 7th round starters as we do 1st rounders, and we don't. Is there some luck involved, particularly in terms of who's there when you draft? Sure. But that doesn't mean it's not a system that it's perfectly possible to do better on if you do it well. It is.

 

Even the best will make mistakes. But they'll make fewer of them than average and they'll do other things to improve their chances, such as making intelligent trades for picks and doing more and smarter homework on the guys they pick than many do.

 

Nonsense also on your idea that "Mayock loved JaMarcus Russell." He didn't. He liked his arm and his pro day.

 

From a 2010 Florio Interview:  “Let me give you an example of the other side of it,” Mayock said this morning on The Dan Patrick Show. “The best Pro Day I ever saw as a quarterback was JaMarcus Russell. . . . I’ve never seen a quarterback throw the football like that in my life, but I still couldn’t take him in the first round — the guy doesn’t care about football. He doesn’t have the passion for the game, doesn’t have the work ethic, I don’t want him. But by the way, it was a pretty impressive Pro Day.”

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/30/mayock-jamarcus-russells-pro-day-a-cautionary-tale/