BringBackFergy Posted December 23, 2020 Posted December 23, 2020 Again, follow along here: The greatest contributor to an NFL team's long term success is player evaluation and, more specifically, offensive talent at the QB position. Who was the only analyst to really support Josh Allen, who saw through his "accuracy" issues and evaluated him as a high ceiling guy? Mel Kiper, Jr. Below is a list of just a few experts who laughed at Kiper. Even his contemporary Todd McShay didn't have Allen as the best QB of the 2018 draft. So Mike Mayock gets a gig as a GM for the Raiders...but was never "wowed by Allen" like he was with Carson Wentz. Hmmmm If Mayock can be a GM, so can Mel "Freakin" Kiper. Would be a nice fit for the Jags, Jets, or Lions. He can select QB's and that's half the battle. https://www.forbes.com/sites/vincentfrank/2018/04/21/2018-nfl-draft-selecting-josh-allen-would-be-a-fatal-mistake-for-the-cleveland-browns/?sh=24eb657119e7 (Allen a Fatal Mistake) https://buffalowdown.com/2018/04/25/2018-nfl-draft-why-the-bills-should-pass-on-josh-allen/ (Paolo Sattile) https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2767039-mel-kiper-2018-nfl-mock-draft-josh-allen-to-browns-amid-sam-darnold-rumors (Kiper the only one to evaluate Allen properly) TV personalities are becoming GM's...Mayock, Louis Riddick, etc. Fire away Armchair GM's...after you blow the dust off your Josh Rosen jerseys. 2
DrDawkinstein Posted December 23, 2020 Posted December 23, 2020 Louis Riddick was an NFL Player and Front Office executive who then made the switch into TV. Younger brother to former-Bill Robb Riddick, he grew up in and around the NFL. Mike Mayock was at least an NFL Player for a couple years. Kiper has done nothing except write some articles from his basement. 1 1
Solomon Grundy Posted December 23, 2020 Posted December 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said: Again, follow along here: The greatest contributor to an NFL team's long term success is player evaluation and, more specifically, offensive talent at the QB position. Who was the only analyst to really support Josh Allen, who saw through his "accuracy" issues and evaluated him as a high ceiling guy? Mel Kiper, Jr. Below is a list of just a few experts who laughed at Kiper. Even his contemporary Todd McShay didn't have Allen as the best QB of the 2018 draft. So Mike Mayock gets a gig as a GM for the Raiders...but was never "wowed by Allen" like he was with Carson Wentz. Hmmmm If Mayock can be a GM, so can Mel "Freakin" Kiper. Would be a nice fit for the Jags, Jets, or Lions. He can select QB's and that's half the battle. https://www.forbes.com/sites/vincentfrank/2018/04/21/2018-nfl-draft-selecting-josh-allen-would-be-a-fatal-mistake-for-the-cleveland-browns/?sh=24eb657119e7 (Allen a Fatal Mistake) https://buffalowdown.com/2018/04/25/2018-nfl-draft-why-the-bills-should-pass-on-josh-allen/ (Paolo Sattile) https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2767039-mel-kiper-2018-nfl-mock-draft-josh-allen-to-browns-amid-sam-darnold-rumors (Kiper the only one to evaluate Allen properly) TV personalities are becoming GM's...Mayock, Louis Riddick, etc. Fire away Armchair GM's...after you blow the dust off your Josh Rosen jerseys. https://www.nfl.com/news/mike-mayock-s-2018-nfl-mock-draft-bills-trade-up-for-josh-allen-0ap3000000928583
quinnearlysghost88 Posted December 23, 2020 Posted December 23, 2020 He had a contrarian opinion of Josh Allen ipso facto NFL GM. 1
Solomon Grundy Posted December 23, 2020 Posted December 23, 2020 Mayock was very high on Josh Allen. He knew what was causing Josh’s accuracy issues https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2018/03/mike_mayock_on_josh_allens_nfl.html
TheBillsOrDie Posted December 23, 2020 Posted December 23, 2020 My Uncle Dave watches a lot of football, he could easily be a GM 1 4 1
Buffalo716 Posted December 23, 2020 Posted December 23, 2020 Mike Mayock was high on Josh Allen. He liked him alot 2
dma0034 Posted December 23, 2020 Posted December 23, 2020 Well he couldn't do worse than BOB in Houston 1
BringBackFergy Posted December 23, 2020 Author Posted December 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: Mike Mayock was high on Josh Allen. He liked him alot Mayock quoted as saying "None of the 2018 QB's wowed me like Andrew Luck and Carson Wentz"....we know how that ended up. Great analysis Mike!!
Beast Posted December 23, 2020 Posted December 23, 2020 Just because someone knows the ins and outs of a players college strengths and weaknesses doesn't mean they know how to build a winning, professional roster, to include coach selection and many other things that go along with being a GM. 1
Buffalo716 Posted December 23, 2020 Posted December 23, 2020 1 minute ago, BringBackFergy said: Mayock quoted as saying "None of the 2018 QB's wowed me like Andrew Luck and Carson Wentz"....we know how that ended up. Great analysis Mike!! Come on dude you're like cherry picking quotes. He thought Carson Wentz was going to be a Hall of famer. That doesn't mean he didn't think allen wasn't good 2
Solomon Grundy Posted December 23, 2020 Posted December 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said: Mayock quoted as saying "None of the 2018 QB's wowed me like Andrew Luck and Carson Wentz"....we know how that ended up. Great analysis Mike!! Mayock insists that Allen (6-4 7/8, 237) is better in some ways than Carson Wentz, who was an NFL MVP candidate before he suffered a season-ending knee injury in December. Wentz had an 11-2 record when he went down.
uticaclub Posted December 23, 2020 Posted December 23, 2020 (edited) Kiper also said he would retire if Jimmy Clausen was a bust Edited December 23, 2020 by uticaclub 1
Big Turk Posted December 23, 2020 Posted December 23, 2020 I mean draft picks are a crap shoot. Would a guy who has evaluated players for 20+ years and gone on TV on the record where people can go back to see how accurate he has been be any less worthy than a guy who has no track record that can be verified? At some point when you put in enough hours and if you have a natural talent for it, there will be little difference between them and an actual GM. Now handling contracts and other things that go with being a GM might be a little out of his expertise...
Albany,n.y. Posted December 23, 2020 Posted December 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, uticaclub said: Kiper also said he would retire if Jimmy Clausen was a bust He stopped publishing his Draft Report after the 2013 draft, so in a way he did retire. His last 10 top QBs in the printed Draft Reports were: 2013 Geno Smith 2012 Andrew Luck 2011 Blaine Gabbert 2010 Jimmy Clausen 2009 Matt Stafford 2008 Matt Ryan 2007 JaMarcus Russell 2006 Matt Leinart 2005 Alex Smith 2004 Eli Manning
CLTbills Posted December 23, 2020 Posted December 23, 2020 50 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said: Again, follow along here: The greatest contributor to an NFL team's long term success is player evaluation and, more specifically, offensive talent at the QB position. Who was the only analyst to really support Josh Allen, who saw through his "accuracy" issues and evaluated him as a high ceiling guy? Mel Kiper, Jr. Below is a list of just a few experts who laughed at Kiper. Even his contemporary Todd McShay didn't have Allen as the best QB of the 2018 draft. So Mike Mayock gets a gig as a GM for the Raiders...but was never "wowed by Allen" like he was with Carson Wentz. Hmmmm If Mayock can be a GM, so can Mel "Freakin" Kiper. Would be a nice fit for the Jags, Jets, or Lions. He can select QB's and that's half the battle. https://www.forbes.com/sites/vincentfrank/2018/04/21/2018-nfl-draft-selecting-josh-allen-would-be-a-fatal-mistake-for-the-cleveland-browns/?sh=24eb657119e7 (Allen a Fatal Mistake) https://buffalowdown.com/2018/04/25/2018-nfl-draft-why-the-bills-should-pass-on-josh-allen/ (Paolo Sattile) https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2767039-mel-kiper-2018-nfl-mock-draft-josh-allen-to-browns-amid-sam-darnold-rumors (Kiper the only one to evaluate Allen properly) TV personalities are becoming GM's...Mayock, Louis Riddick, etc. Fire away Armchair GM's...after you blow the dust off your Josh Rosen jerseys. I love this gem from the Forbes article. "As to where both UCLA's Josh Rosen and USC's Sam Darnold are seen as can't-miss franchise quarterbacks on the field, Allen has to be coupled in with the group of EJ Manuel and Geno Smith, the first two quarterbacks selected in the 2013 NFL Draft. Experts were split on the two, with Manuel being the only signal caller selected in the first round of that year's draft." That's gotta be embarrassing. 1
Don Otreply Posted December 23, 2020 Posted December 23, 2020 Being that Mayock (sp) is no great shakes as a GM, I would expect what’s his face to suck at it too. But that’s just me... Go Bills!!!
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