Miyagi-Do Karate Posted December 22, 2020 Posted December 22, 2020 On 12/22/2020 at 3:41 PM, matter2003 said: All of the good young QBs are in the AFC...and that will include Lawrence to either the Jags or Jets. NFC only has Murray and maybe Dak. Sure they have Wilson and Rodgers and Brees and Brady but they aren't getting any younger and will be falling off sooner rather than later. AFC has Allen, Jackson, Mahomes, Burrow, Herbert, Mayfield, Tagovailoa, Lawrence(next year)... This could lead to a very unbalanced run of Super Bowl wins for the AFC over the next 10 to 15 years...how does the NFC change that? Expand i actually worry this will result in more NFC SB wins. Reminds me of the 90s with the Bills. I always thought the AFC was overall stronger back then, but the 1 or 2 good NFC teams (usually the Cowboys) would get to cakewalk through the playoffs and end up winning the super bowl.
Big Turk Posted December 22, 2020 Author Posted December 22, 2020 On 12/22/2020 at 4:52 PM, Miyagi-Do Karate said: i actually worry this will result in more NFC SB wins. Reminds me of the 90s with the Bills. I always thought the AFC was overall stronger back then, but the 1 or 2 good NFC teams (usually the Cowboys) would get to cakewalk through the playoffs and end up winning the super bowl. Expand Why? It's a QB driven league and the best QBs are by far in the AFC. This makes little sense. 1
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted December 22, 2020 Posted December 22, 2020 On 12/22/2020 at 5:35 PM, matter2003 said: Why? It's a QB driven league and the best QBs are by far in the AFC. This makes little sense. Expand This may only Be my own theory. But I always felt in the 90s, all those good AFC teams beat up on each other, such that when we got to the SB, we always got some well-rested and healthy NFC opponent that could run us over. I never thought the Cowboys were better than us (we would beat them And the other NFC teams in the regular season). But an easier path to the SB benefitted them. Again, maybe I am the only one to adhere to this theory!
thenorthremembers Posted December 22, 2020 Posted December 22, 2020 On 12/22/2020 at 4:20 PM, ProcessAccepted said: I agree with you on Tua. I haven't been wowed by him even for a rookie. I'm not not sure how he will handle adversity and injury issues are still a concern. I am impressed by Burrow but they are going to need to protect him going forward. Herbert looks like the real deal too. On the NFC QBs you mention I think Russ is the best bet. I think Dak may be moving on from Dallas, I think it's gotten personal at this point and he'll get paid wherever he goes. Goff has serious flaws and there is a growing amount of film on him. Expand Agree on Dak. And honestly, Jones has mismanaged the roster so poorly that signing and trading Dak will be easier than trying to move the other players it will take to get under the cap to pay him. If I were Dallas I'd be calling the Jets asap. 1
Big Turk Posted December 22, 2020 Author Posted December 22, 2020 On 12/22/2020 at 5:44 PM, Miyagi-Do Karate said: This may only Be my own theory. But I always felt in the 90s, all those good AFC teams beat up on each other, such that when we got to the SB, we always got some well-rested and healthy NFC opponent that could run us over. I never thought the Cowboys were better than us (we would beat them And the other NFC teams in the regular season). But an easier path to the SB benefitted them. Again, maybe I am the only one to adhere to this theory! Expand I think it was a different era then and while QBs were important, I think you could still win by being OK there and being great in other places. I don't think you can anymore. Too many rule changes that give great QBs too big of an advantage over teams with average ones.
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted December 22, 2020 Posted December 22, 2020 On 12/22/2020 at 3:46 PM, thenorthremembers said: Depends on how you look at it. I don't think Tua has been that impressive, and Burrow was 2-8 as a starter before going down. The NFC has Dak, Russell Wilson, and Jared Goff who are all top ten QBs in the league. Rodgers probably has another three years in him if Green Bay keeps him around. Expand Jared Goff is not anywhere near a top-10 QB. MAYBE top 20.
billsfan89 Posted December 22, 2020 Posted December 22, 2020 Things turn on a dime in football but I do agree that in the NFC the QB situation is bleak. Wilson should dominate the decade or at least the next 7ish years, Rodgers will be a top tier QB for the next 3 to 5 years but his age will become an issue. Beyond that you have Murray who has shown potiental but not exactly proven just yet and not much else in terms of young QB's. Dak and Geoff are "good" QB's but hardly anything dynamic. Unless Hurts or one of the lesser harolded QB's pops off it could be very top heavy in the NFC for the foreseeable future.
Big Turk Posted December 23, 2020 Author Posted December 23, 2020 (edited) On 12/22/2020 at 4:35 PM, Greg S said: What about Houston? Having Watson as your QB is a good situation as well. Expand Watson is definitely great but he has been around for a while and doesn't qualify as a "young" franchise QB anymore. After Rivers he might be the longest tenured starting QB in thr AFC. I guess Newton too but he won't be there next year and probably is a backup now. Edited December 23, 2020 by matter2003
stinky finger Posted December 23, 2020 Posted December 23, 2020 (edited) On 12/22/2020 at 3:46 PM, thenorthremembers said: Depends on how you look at it. I don't think Tua has been that impressive, and Burrow was 2-8 as a starter before going down. The NFC has Dak, Russell Wilson, and Jared Goff who are all top ten QBs in the league. Rodgers probably has another three years in him if Green Bay keeps him around. Expand Burrow is and will be a stud. Goff? Not so much. On 12/22/2020 at 4:15 PM, SCBills said: People don't trust Ohio State QB's Fields has not looked good this year. Expand All Pryor OSU QBs have sucked Edited December 23, 2020 by inaugural balls
MRW Posted December 23, 2020 Posted December 23, 2020 On 12/23/2020 at 12:28 AM, matter2003 said: Watson is definitely great but he has been around for a while and doesn't qualify as a "young" franchise QB anymore. After Rivers he might be the longest tenured starting QB in thr AFC. I guess Newton too but he won't be there next year and probably is a backup now. Expand Watson was drafted the year before Allen. I can't agree that 4 years is the cutoff for young.
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted December 23, 2020 Posted December 23, 2020 In the NFL the moment you think you know how it will all play out, the opposite happens. 1
skibum Posted December 23, 2020 Posted December 23, 2020 Of course you didn't mention Tannehill, who nobody wants to believe is good, despite his playing awesome and winning all the time. 1
Big Turk Posted December 23, 2020 Author Posted December 23, 2020 On 12/23/2020 at 1:43 AM, MRW said: Watson was drafted the year before Allen. I can't agree that 4 years is the cutoff for young. Expand For some reason I always forget he is in the Mahomes draft class...yeah you are right...add another one to the mix.
freddyjj Posted December 23, 2020 Posted December 23, 2020 On 12/22/2020 at 3:46 PM, thenorthremembers said: The NFC has Dak, Russell Wilson, and Jared Goff who are all top ten QBs in the league. Expand Goff is 24th in QB Rating and 23rd in QBR. Nowhere near top 10 in league. Not even top 10 in NFC
NewEra Posted December 23, 2020 Posted December 23, 2020 On 12/22/2020 at 3:41 PM, matter2003 said: All of the good young QBs are in the AFC...and that will include Lawrence to either the Jags or Jets. NFC only has Murray and maybe Dak. Sure they have Wilson and Rodgers and Brees and Brady but they aren't getting any younger and will be falling off sooner rather than later. AFC has Allen, Jackson, Mahomes, Burrow, Herbert, Mayfield, Tagovailoa, Lawrence(next year)... This could lead to a very unbalanced run of Super Bowl wins for the AFC over the next 10 to 15 years...how does the NFC change that? Expand Talked with my buddy about this the other day. He’s a niner fan. I was telling him how he has smooth sailing for the next decade plus, with all of the good NFC being in their upper 30s other than Kyler and RW being 32
Da webster guy Posted December 23, 2020 Posted December 23, 2020 On 12/22/2020 at 4:33 PM, Big Turk said: That was after Schottenheimer went 14-2 the year before and got fired for losing in the playoffs again. Expand I forgot all about that. Has to be one of those records that never get broken. Could you imagine, "Uh hey Marty, we're lookin to make a change....." He must've just laughed at them until he realized they were serious. On 12/22/2020 at 4:35 PM, Greg S said: What about Houston? Having Watson as your QB is a good situation as well. Expand I agree Watson would be tempting but I feel like they're a few years away with personnel. Weird team because they suck for awhile and then play a solid game (usually when I bet against them.....)
BigdaddyinOrlando Posted December 23, 2020 Posted December 23, 2020 On 12/22/2020 at 4:10 PM, mannc said: Is Justin Fields no longer considered a top prospect? I thought he was being mentioned in the same conversation with Lawrence only a month or so ago. Why isn't he a solid consolation prize for the Jets? And anyway, how often does it turn out that the first QB taken in the draft turns out to be the best pro? Expand Not sure but I watched his game on Saturday against northwestern and wasn’t impressed at all. I had no perceived knowledge of him at all only the name, and he did not wow me at all. Hopefully the Jets take him at 2!
Mr. K Posted December 23, 2020 Posted December 23, 2020 Yeah but you never know how the draft goes. In 3 years they could land 3-5 legit players at QB. Josh was doubted by 85% of people(out of thin air stats are the best) and after watching his development id think more teams are going to be willing to develop talent.
Big Turk Posted December 23, 2020 Author Posted December 23, 2020 (edited) On 12/23/2020 at 9:29 PM, Mr. K said: Yeah but you never know how the draft goes. In 3 years they could land 3-5 legit players at QB. Josh was doubted by 85% of people(out of thin air stats are the best) and after watching his development id think more teams are going to be willing to develop talent. Expand I think a lot of teams are going to think they can develop players like Allen but mostly will fall far short of it...Allen was a unique player who was way short on reps and coaching for the QB position and is obsessed with being the best and has intangibles and athleticism that are off the charts. It's going to be very hard to find someone that has all of that going for him and massive room for improvement just from receiving basic coaching even before all the mechanics and specialized coaching comes into play. Edited December 23, 2020 by Big Turk 1
78thealltimegreat Posted December 24, 2020 Posted December 24, 2020 On 12/22/2020 at 3:41 PM, Big Turk said: All of the good young QBs are in the AFC...and that will include Lawrence to either the Jags or Jets. NFC only has Murray and maybe Dak. Sure they have Wilson and Rodgers and Brees and Brady but they aren't getting any younger and will be falling off sooner rather than later. AFC has Allen, Jackson, Mahomes, Burrow, Herbert, Mayfield, Tagovailoa, Lawrence(next year)... This could lead to a very unbalanced run of Super Bowl wins for the AFC over the next 10 to 15 years...how does the NFC change that? Expand Good topic yeh most of the top qbs in the nfc not named Russell Wilson club are 40 ish I like Dak but that team is so poorly coached and managed that it doesn’t matter
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