HOUSE Posted December 25, 2020 Posted December 25, 2020 A player like Tom Brady comes along once every 50 years. Its highly unlikely New England will ever have anything close. I see a long drought in NE 3
Orlando Buffalo Posted December 25, 2020 Posted December 25, 2020 People not mentioneing the fact that they got caught cheating again last year is weird to me. Brady was not good down the stretch and the difference between championships and first round burn outs is often small coaching decisions that will often come from little bits of information. Belicheck is a brilliant defensive mind but a mediocre offensive mind and he wonany close games based on cheating.
Da webster guy Posted December 25, 2020 Posted December 25, 2020 Brady looked pretty bad for them last season though, 60% completion, 24 td's, 8 picks and he missed a lot of wide open dudes, especially in the 2nd half of the season. Not saying he sucked, but he wasnt great by any means.
Doc Posted December 25, 2020 Posted December 25, 2020 8 minutes ago, Da webster guy said: Brady looked pretty bad for them last season though, 60% completion, 24 td's, 8 picks and he missed a lot of wide open dudes, especially in the 2nd half of the season. Not saying he sucked, but he wasnt great by any means. Brady is in decline, but the talent around him was crap and still is in Cheaterland. But they'd gladly take his production last year this year. Can has been a complete and utter failure.
RunTheBall Posted December 25, 2020 Posted December 25, 2020 BB the coach is probably in the running for GOAT. BB the GM sucks. Pats* problems run a lot deeper than just losing Brady, they have little in the ways of good young talent coming up. Yeah their D will probably be better next year because of the opt-outs coming back but a lot of those guys are in their 30s already and aren’t getting younger. I think the Pats are going to be in that middle-of-the-road limbo for a long time and I love it. Good enough to win 7-9 games because they do have great coaching but lack of good scouting and poor drafting will hold them back. 1
Doc Posted December 25, 2020 Posted December 25, 2020 Just now, RunTheBall said: BB the coach is probably in the running for GOAT. BB the GM sucks. Pats* problems run a lot deeper than just losing Brady, they have little in the ways of good young talent coming up. Yeah their D will probably be better next year because of the opt-outs coming back but a lot of those guys are in their 30s already and aren’t getting younger. I think the Pats are going to be in that middle-of-the-road limbo for a long time and I love it. Good enough to win 7-9 games because they do have great coaching but lack of good scouting and poor drafting will hold them back. The winning percentage without Brady, and being lower than Rex Ryan's, is pretty damning. And again, Brady was dumb luck on their part. As I've been saying, I don't think he'll be coaching much longer.
Da webster guy Posted December 25, 2020 Posted December 25, 2020 57 minutes ago, Doc said: Brady is in decline, but the talent around him was crap and still is in Cheaterland. But they'd gladly take his production last year this year. Can has been a complete and utter failure. Yeah and the only game he really lit it up was vs Seattle and they lost anyway at the last second. That was before anyone realized Seattle defense is awful, and the Pats fans were acting like they had found their franchise qb for the next 10 years. Uh....no
Spiderweb Posted December 26, 2020 Posted December 26, 2020 On 12/22/2020 at 8:34 AM, streetkings01 said: They downplay the loss of Tom Brady. They talk about the Patriots as if Brady was never there. Watching GMF now and they have Scott Pioli there......he thinks the players opting out is what held them back this season and feels that a good draft and getting those players back will help the Patriots make another Super Bowl run. After watching the Pats this season it's clear that Brady the bigger part of their success. Not once have I seen someone in the media admit that the loss of Brady was huge for the Pats instead they seem to have felt the Pats were going to continue the Patriot way regardless if #12 was there. I'm thinking it'll take next year when they go 9-7 at best before it really starts to sink in. What planet are you living on? There have been a plethora of Brady stories and Patriot stories that spoke directly to his loss for the Patriots. Quit making crap up..
Royale with Cheese Posted December 26, 2020 Posted December 26, 2020 Do the Pats have the money to acquire like a Matt Ryan? If they get a decent QB, they’ll be playoff contenders again.
Don Otreply Posted December 26, 2020 Posted December 26, 2020 I for one have zero issue with the demise of the cheatriots on any level, not a fan never have been, I do in fact enjoy Tb being down played, ignored or even forgotten about, I hope he has a groin injury so severe that he has to retire today, in fact Fuh K Tom bill, Kraft, and every staffer that helped them cheat continuously for decades. I know I leaving something out, feel free to add on if you got something I forgot... 😁😂🤣😅👍 Oh, and happy Boxing Day to you all👍 1
Doc Posted December 26, 2020 Posted December 26, 2020 52 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Do the Pats have the money to acquire like a Matt Ryan? If they get a decent QB, they’ll be playoff contenders again. The Falcons can't trade or release him because it would be an almost $50M cap hit and they would have no replacement. And even if he were available, I can't see them wanting him after that epic collapse in the SB. 2
stinky finger Posted December 26, 2020 Posted December 26, 2020 On 12/22/2020 at 8:46 AM, Ethan in Portland said: If White and Edmunds had opted out and Diggs was lost for the season, do you think the Bills would have won the division with two games to play? Belichick’s record is mostly the product of Brady. I’ve posted that many times before. But to be fair, the Patriots were hurt as much as anyone by opt outs and injury. So true. BUT to be fair...... If you're looking for sympathy you've come to the wrong place. On 12/22/2020 at 9:20 AM, PromoTheRobot said: Naw. That entire roster is trash. Pats got nothing to build on. Yep. And nobody competent to build it back.
stinky finger Posted December 26, 2020 Posted December 26, 2020 On 12/22/2020 at 9:29 AM, JMF2006 said: My biggest issue is all the cheating is never mentioned. I hope they wallow in the mire for the next 20 years. 20? That's all? On 12/22/2020 at 9:35 AM, Ramza86 said: I mean...a full team and say...Stafford next season. Find some sort of talent at the WR position. They will be in the wildcard race next season. I love it. Their turn to play on the QB carousel. Good luck with that.
stinky finger Posted December 26, 2020 Posted December 26, 2020 On 12/22/2020 at 9:44 AM, Ramza86 said: Stafford. Never had a good coach, never had a good defense. He might not be the best, but he will be miles better than Cam. I think any decent aging QB will put the Pats in a decent spot. I actually like this plan. It will most assuredly keep them down in the standings in the AFC east On 12/22/2020 at 10:08 AM, Irish Dave said: Whatever guys. All I know is New England's cheat-filled dominance of the AFC East is now over. It's like they were that guy in high school who pretended to be a nice guy to all the teachers but was really a bully and cheated on all his tests, has moved away. As for Marcia Brady - it's really pretty annoying that he's still being referred to (even here) as the GOAT after all of his cheating was exposed; The dude was an EXTREMELY LOW 6th round draft pick who somehow miraculously ascends to all these wins out of nowhere....it was BECAUSE OF the rigged system that they had in New England. All the spying, throwing deflated balls, he wouldn't turn over his cell phone, he had an extra radio frequencey in his helmet throughout entire plays!!! Preach And to be clear TB is NOT the GOAT. He's the most accomplished. Do with that what you will.
Doc Posted December 26, 2020 Posted December 26, 2020 4 minutes ago, inaugural balls said: I actually like this plan. It will most assuredly keep them down in the standings in the AFC east Even if the Lions were to take-on an almost-$25M cap hit by trading or releasing him, he'd still have no one to throw it to, as FA WRs and TEs wouldn't be clamoring to come to Cheaterland to play with him.
stinky finger Posted December 26, 2020 Posted December 26, 2020 1 minute ago, Doc said: Even if the Lions were to take-on an almost-$25M cap hit by trading or releasing him, he'd still have no one to throw it to, as FA WRs and TEs wouldn't be clamoring to come to Cheaterland to play with him. Agree The Dak's, Matty's (Stafford or Ryan) are not the answer. As an Bills fan, the Pats tying up the money and resources it would take to procure one of these QBs scares me not one iota. They are not the answer. That, and BB is not capable of drafting to fill the holes. 1
Freddie's Dead Posted December 26, 2020 Posted December 26, 2020 On 12/22/2020 at 11:57 PM, What a Tuel said: 36 wasn't really sustainable. Turnovers: 2016 (SB) - 23 2017 (SB) - 18 2018 (SB) - 28 2019 (No SB) - 36 2020 (No Playoffs) - 20 (14 games) To say 20 turnovers is why they couldn't make the playoff let alone the super bowl in 2020 is a bit misleading. Now look at offensive turnovers (giveaways) 2016 (SB) - 11 2017 (SB) - 12 2018 (SB) - 18 2019 (No SB) - 15 2020 (No playoffs) - 19 (14 games) Differential 2016 (SB) - +12 2017 (SB) - +6 2018 (SB) - +10 2019 (No SB) - +21 2020 (No playoffs) - +1 (14 games) Stats adjusted for deflation?
stinky finger Posted December 26, 2020 Posted December 26, 2020 On 12/24/2020 at 7:59 AM, Thurman#1 said: It'd be $24.85M in dead cap, but again, they'd also avoid paying his $9.5M salary, a $500K bonus and a $10M roster bonus, a total of $20M saved. Financially very doable. That's why Spotrac has 2021 listed as a potential out for Stafford. And you watch, if Stafford goes somewhere with a program that has a clue, he's going to unexplainably be better than he ever was when he was working in that dysfunctional Detroit environment. And if Stafford went to the Pats, he'd be going to a team that is going to have a sensational chance at picking up FAs to fill their many holes. The Pats optouts killed them this year but also put them in a much better situation for next year. They have the 4th most unused cap space this year ($25M), and they will roll it over into next year. In a year that looks like it will have very little money available for teams league-wide, the Pats will have plenty in a buyer's market. They'll be able to shore up receivers, TEs, and fill their holes about as well as anyone in the league. I hear you, but the problem is BB has never been good at filling the holes. They've managed to sustain success because they've had the QB to cover up the warts. As mentioned, BB great coach not so much building a roster. Especially offensively. Stafford shouldn't scare anyone.
stinky finger Posted December 26, 2020 Posted December 26, 2020 On 12/24/2020 at 8:59 AM, Victory Formation said: Garoppolo will end up in New England next year.. Either the 49ers let him go or Belichick sends them a mid round pick for him. I do think the Patriots will be considerably better.. Obviously the Bills should win the AFCE again but I don’t think the Patriots will just roll over.. Please, please, please may this happen. A ticket to mediocrity.
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