Kwai San Posted December 21, 2020 Posted December 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, Mango said: Nothing since Nov. 29th Methinks he has a new ID....he went into the witness protection program and has emerged as????? @Mountain Man !!!!!!! 1
DQW87 Posted December 21, 2020 Posted December 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: In these sort of awards you often do. McDermott has won the division with a team people expected to win the division. I think he deserves consideration. I think Rivera might win which I think is as much about the story as anything - his cancer battle, Smith's return etc - not that he would get my vote. I think a lot of people thought Buffalo had a good shot to win the division for the first time in 25 years, but I'd hardly say they were expected to. No one knew how New England would be with Cam, and after 3 weeks everyone thought they'd be great. No one knew if the Dolphins would stick with Fitz or go with Tua, but knew they'd be way bettert han the past. The only reason Buffalo was thought to have a good shot was the pieces McDermott and Beane put in place and the players they decided to let go because they didn't fit the system. Isn't that all coaching knowing who will do what you plan on teaching?
GunnerBill Posted December 21, 2020 Posted December 21, 2020 Just now, DQW87 said: I think a lot of people thought Buffalo had a good shot to win the division for the first time in 25 years, but I'd hardly say they were expected to. No one knew how New England would be with Cam, and after 3 weeks everyone thought they'd be great. No one knew if the Dolphins would stick with Fitz or go with Tua, but knew they'd be way bettert han the past. The only reason Buffalo was thought to have a good shot was the pieces McDermott and Beane put in place and the players they decided to let go because they didn't fit the system. Isn't that all coaching knowing who will do what you plan on teaching? Vegas had us as faves and the majority of the talking heads did too. The Bills were absolutely expected to win the East. Anything else this season would have been failure IMO. To be honest I don't consider this season a success without a playoff win. 2
BillsFanSD Posted December 21, 2020 Posted December 21, 2020 23 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said: I wouldn't pay too much attention to beauty pageants like MVP or Coach of the Year. It's the NFL, and like any other sports league on the planet, the currency of excellence are trophies and championships. Let Brian Flores get some credit for turning the fish from a gag reel into a feel good story, nobody anywhere will forget McD if he makes the Bills 1-4 in the Superbowl this year. Then we can talk about him getting us to .500. Yep. Also, all this talk about league MVP is going to seem kind of silly when Allen is Super Bowl MVP. 1
MPL Posted December 21, 2020 Posted December 21, 2020 You either have to have the best record in football or significantly exceed expectations. While the Bills are certainly exceeding expectations this year, they aren't exceeding expectations as much as Miami. That team wasn't supposed to be competitive this year. Ron Rivera is a contender because he has Washington in playoff contention with a pretty lousy roster, all while undergoing cancer treatment. It's pretty remarkable even if it only takes 7 wins to win that division. McDermott is in the conversation, and I think he's widely regarded as a top 10 coach (just not always in this board). If we finish 13-3, maybe he's included as more serious contender for the award. Let's just all be thankful it's not Rex Ryan, Chan Gailey, Dick Jauron, or Gregg Williams at the helm anymore.
technobot Posted December 21, 2020 Posted December 21, 2020 8 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Vegas had us as faves and the majority of the talking heads did too. The Bills were absolutely expected to win the East. Anything else this season would have been failure IMO. To be honest I don't consider this season a success without a playoff win. Agreed, and this is the price of success. Heightened expectations which are realistic. They are elite. Are they perfect? No, but no team is. They might be the underdog in a matchup vs KC but it wouldn't take a freak series of fluke plays to result in a Bills win. If all 3 phases show up they can beat anyone, handily. They don't even need a 2000 Ravens style shutdown defense, if that is even possible anymore. The defense I've seen since the Seattle game is all they need, everything else is gravy. A defense capable of generating some turnovers to tip the scales in a shootout. But back to what Gunner said, if the Bills lose in the wild card round it will be a kick in the groin for sure. 1
Process Posted December 21, 2020 Posted December 21, 2020 For me, it has to be Flores regardless if they make the playoffs or not. How that team, with one of the worst offenses in the league on paper, has a winning record is beyond me.
Captain Caveman Posted December 21, 2020 Posted December 21, 2020 To me this isn't as much as reflection on McDermott as it is on Allen, Diggs, Beane, and maybe Daboll and Fraser. I think this reflects that this is a very talented team, and usually the coach of the year award goes to a coach who gets a lot out of a less talented team.
Warcodered Posted December 21, 2020 Posted December 21, 2020 (edited) McDermott's odds suffer from it being a yearly award if it was past 3-4 he'd be at the top of the list. But we were supposed to be good this year so he's not the hot new story. Edited December 21, 2020 by Warcodered
H2o Posted December 21, 2020 Posted December 21, 2020 (edited) For all the talk of the Dolphins and Flores, they had multiple 1st round picks and spent a lot of money on the defensive side of the ball in FA. Everyone knew they would be better. 9-5? A bit of a surprise, but some of the talking heads said they would win the division and not the Bills. Our schedules have been pretty brutal this year in the AFCE which is why McDermott should be near the top, as well as Flores. The overall success of this team should clearly give McDermott an edge over him though. There is a long list right now and a couple of games to go. Reid, Rivera, McDermott, Flores, Lafleur, Payton, Tomlin, Vrabel, and maybe even Stefanski. We'll see how the final two weeks play out. Edited December 21, 2020 by H2o
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted December 21, 2020 Posted December 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Process said: For me, it has to be Flores regardless if they make the playoffs or not. How that team, with one of the worst offenses in the league on paper, has a winning record is beyond me. Their defense is pretty awesome. 6 minutes ago, Captain Caveman said: To me this isn't as much as reflection on McDermott as it is on Allen, Diggs, Beane, and maybe Daboll and Fraser. I think this reflects that this is a very talented team, and usually the coach of the year award goes to a coach who gets a lot out of a less talented team. yeah- his coach of the year work was his first season.
Ya Digg? Posted December 21, 2020 Posted December 21, 2020 37 minutes ago, DQW87 said: They are expected to be good because of what he has done and what he has put in place. You don't get pentalized for doing your job well. People get penalized all the time for doing their jobs well...they get more work piled on, they are given more responsibilities (all with your boss's expectations of not giving you a raise or a promotion). Getting penalized for doing your job well is not something that is new, and not something that applies just to sports 13 minutes ago, MPL said: You either have to have the best record in football or significantly exceed expectations. While the Bills are certainly exceeding expectations this year, they aren't exceeding expectations as much as Miami. That team wasn't supposed to be competitive this year. Ron Rivera is a contender because he has Washington in playoff contention with a pretty lousy roster, all while undergoing cancer treatment. It's pretty remarkable even if it only takes 7 wins to win that division. McDermott is in the conversation, and I think he's widely regarded as a top 10 coach (just not always in this board). If we finish 13-3, maybe he's included as more serious contender for the award. Let's just all be thankful it's not Rex Ryan, Chan Gailey, Dick Jauron, or Gregg Williams at the helm anymore. This is only true because his division is terrible. If he was in another division with that record his team would already be eliminated
Simon Posted December 21, 2020 Posted December 21, 2020 32 minutes ago, Kwai San said: Come to think of it where has @High Football IQ been lately???? I can't imagine what possibly might have happened to him on Nov 29th..... 1 1
Malazan Posted December 21, 2020 Posted December 21, 2020 47 minutes ago, JoshAllenReceipts said: McDermott is a Defensive Coach (basically a glorified Defensive Coordinator) riding the coattails of Josh Allen. You should stop trolling the Jets board btw. You look like an idiot.
Mark Vader Posted December 21, 2020 Posted December 21, 2020 36 minutes ago, Kwai San said: Come to think of it where has @High Football IQ been lately???? Please, don't ask. 2
QLBillsFan Posted December 21, 2020 Posted December 21, 2020 53 minutes ago, JoshAllenReceipts said: McDermott is a Defensive Coach (basically a glorified Defensive Coordinator) riding the coattails of Josh Allen. Your kidding right ? We are love what JA has accomplished but you are under some assumption he’s the only component of this team. Yikes bro!!
mushypeaches Posted December 21, 2020 Posted December 21, 2020 48 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said: I wouldn't pay too much attention to beauty pageants like MVP or Coach of the Year. It's the NFL, and like any other sports league on the planet, the currency of excellence are trophies and championships. Let Brian Flores get some credit for turning the fish from a gag reel into a feel good story, nobody anywhere will forget McD if he makes the Bills 1-4 in the Superbowl this year. Then we can talk about him getting us to .500. Belichick has never won this award. I'd like for our team to have those same levels of success. Who gives a crap about any other trophies or awards not named "Lombardi" 1
Doc Brown Posted December 21, 2020 Posted December 21, 2020 He'd pry have to take this team to 14-2 or something like Harbaugh did last year. There's also pry a perception that Daboll has just as much to do with the success of this team with our jump in offense. I don't know what the odds are but my guess would be Stefanski, Flores, Tomlin, and Rivera in that order. Then there's pry the Reid, Payton, McDermott, LaFleur tier.
Albany,n.y. Posted December 21, 2020 Posted December 21, 2020 Cleveland was 6-10 & Miami was 5-11 last year. Coach of the year usually goes to a coach who oversaw a big turnaround from the prior season.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted December 21, 2020 Posted December 21, 2020 He’s been mentioned a number of times months ago probably the last time I heard COTY talk (or not that I recall lately)
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