JMF2006 Posted December 20, 2020 Posted December 20, 2020 29 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Analytics people will say it's the greatest progress in NFL history. Allen will be used as the blueprint for teams, fans, and media. It's fun to see. Where is anyone else going to find a 6'5" 240lb QB with a Lightning bolt arm that runs like a gazzelle and has the mentality of a linebacker? We as a fan base have waited 25 years for this franchise QB to land in our laps. I love how the last couple of defences( 9ers Steelers) have said they knew what the Bills would do ....they just couldn't stop it.
Doc Posted December 20, 2020 Posted December 20, 2020 5 minutes ago, JMF2006 said: Where is anyone else going to find a 6'5" 240lb QB with a Lightning bolt arm that runs like a gazzelle and has the mentality of a linebacker? We as a fan base have waited 25 years for this franchise QB to land in our laps. I love how the last couple of defences( 9ers Steelers) have said they knew what the Bills would do ....they just couldn't stop it. And the humility to realize he still has a lot to learn, a desire to learn it and work ethic to achieve it? 2 1
Bobby Hooks Posted December 20, 2020 Posted December 20, 2020 (edited) It’s funny how they’re trying to push the agenda that they didn’t miss anything from his first two seasons. The sudden improvement happened magically this season because he suddenly changed his throw and stance. Anyone actually watching the games could tell you he was growing leaps and bounds every week. Sure he’d get a little heroic early on but it was because he had to. Now with the addition of Diggs and the oline playing far better you’re seeing what he’s capable of. People missed the boat on his progress and are now making excuses how they could be so wrong. I didnt want to draft Allen, in fact I was fiercely opposed to the Bills taking him. But I and many other bills fans could see the writing in the wall early on if they were paying attention. Edited December 20, 2020 by Bobby Hooks 3 1
Buffalo_Stampede Posted December 20, 2020 Posted December 20, 2020 6 minutes ago, JMF2006 said: Where is anyone else going to find a 6'5" 240lb QB with a Lightning bolt arm that runs like a gazzelle and has the mentality of a linebacker? We as a fan base have waited 25 years for this franchise QB to land in our laps. I love how the last couple of defences( 9ers Steelers) have said they knew what the Bills would do ....they just couldn't stop it. There's a big strong armed QB that can run in every draft. Rarely do they become what Allen has become. Even more rare do they actually change narratives after their rookie seasons. Last years Allen IMO is what I believed his cieling would be after watching him his rookie season. Inconsistent passer but able to make plays out of the pocket and running. What he became this year is a lethal intermediate passer from the pocket who also makes plays out of the pocket and running. Basically it's unstoppable. Just now, Bobby Hooks said: It’s funny how they’re trying to push the agenda that they didn’t miss anything from his first two seasons. The sudden improvement happened magically this season because he suddenly changed his throw and stance. Anyone actually watching the games could tell you he was growing leaps and bounds every week. Sure he’d get a little heroic early on but it was because he had to. People missed the boat on his progress and are now making excuses how they could be so wrong. I didnt want to draft Allen, in fact I was fiercely opposed to the Bills taking him. But I and many other bills fans could see the writing in the wall early on if they were paying attention. It's not just the accuracy. His processing speed has improved dramatically. Everything has slowed down around him and he's making the right decisions quickly. He's actually improving as this year goes on also. He's seeing things faster and faster. 4 1
JMF2006 Posted December 20, 2020 Posted December 20, 2020 I think Herbert might be the closest to Allen in terms of size and talent. But can he survive the kaos in that Chargers franchise....new coach probably a new OC ect? Josh has had stability here.....lets hope it continues with Daboll realising he is in a great situation here. 1
Bobby Hooks Posted December 20, 2020 Posted December 20, 2020 15 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: There's a big strong armed QB that can run in every draft. Rarely do they become what Allen has become. Even more rare do they actually change narratives after their rookie seasons. Last years Allen IMO is what I believed his cieling would be after watching him his rookie season. Inconsistent passer but able to make plays out of the pocket and running. What he became this year is a lethal intermediate passer from the pocket who also makes plays out of the pocket and running. Basically it's unstoppable. It's not just the accuracy. His processing speed has improved dramatically. Everything has slowed down around him and he's making the right decisions quickly. He's actually improving as this year goes on also. He's seeing things faster and faster. Agreed.
Buffalo Barbarian Posted December 20, 2020 Posted December 20, 2020 12 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said: You saw today that they still made some references to years 1-2, but no longer is it wondering if he will regress, but just how friggin good he is. That TD called back handoff to Singletary had the announcers shaking their heads in disbelief, along with the then 22 yard strike to Kumerow...... Interesting too that Diggs made a bad play along the sidelines on a 40 yard pass and acknowledged it too, then a 55 yard strike. So much fun to watch. I swear they're trying to make up for 2017-2019 on offense.😜 The refs still hate us, taking away 3 touchdowns on tickytak calls is ridiculous.
BearNorth Posted December 20, 2020 Posted December 20, 2020 14 minutes ago, JMF2006 said: I think Herbert might be the closest to Allen in terms of size and talent. But can he survive the kaos in that Chargers franchise....new coach probably a new OC ect? Josh has had stability here.....lets hope it continues with Daboll realising he is in a great situation here. Daboll and Herbert could be a scary combo.... 33 minutes ago, JMF2006 said: Where is anyone else going to find a 6'5" 240lb QB with a Lightning bolt arm that runs like a gazzelle and has the mentality of a linebacker? We as a fan base have waited 25 years for this franchise QB to land in our laps. I love how the last couple of defences( 9ers Steelers) have said they knew what the Bills would do ....they just couldn't stop it. Remember we were the bailout for our last franchise QB. Opted for the defunct league before the Bills. 1
Doc Posted December 20, 2020 Posted December 20, 2020 31 minutes ago, JMF2006 said: I think Herbert might be the closest to Allen in terms of size and talent. But can he survive the kaos in that Chargers franchise....new coach probably a new OC ect? Josh has had stability here.....lets hope it continues with Daboll realising he is in a great situation here. Herbert landed in a great situation in LA, at least as far as offensive talent around him. Having Mike Williams, Keenan Allen, Hunter Henry and Ekeler as your weapons, plus a good OL, is a great way to start off. Contrast that with what Josh had in 2018... 2
Billsfan1972 Posted December 20, 2020 Author Posted December 20, 2020 11 minutes ago, Doc said: Herbert landed in a great situation in LA, at least as far as offensive talent around him. Having Mike Williams, Keenan Allen, Hunter Henry and Ekeler as your weapons, plus a good OL, is a great way to start off. Contrast that with what Josh had in 2018... And that is the point, the Bills made no attempt to help Allen year one & minimal year two. They were too concerned on the other side of the ball and were slow in developing and giving Allen any weapons (remember there were none in 2017 either). The O was predictable and made only baby steps. Yes Allen improved, but more so the light was turned on & McD has finally understood Offense is he key to success. Again look how far ahead young QB's where there is an emphasis on Offense are v. those that think ground & pound is the way to go. Throw them in to the fray and let them sink or swim.
CincyBillsFan Posted December 20, 2020 Posted December 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Bobby Hooks said: It’s funny how they’re trying to push the agenda that they didn’t miss anything from his first two seasons. The sudden improvement happened magically this season because he suddenly changed his throw and stance. Anyone actually watching the games could tell you he was growing leaps and bounds every week. Sure he’d get a little heroic early on but it was because he had to. Now with the addition of Diggs and the oline playing far better you’re seeing what he’s capable of. People missed the boat on his progress and are now making excuses how they could be so wrong. I didnt want to draft Allen, in fact I was fiercely opposed to the Bills taking him. But I and many other bills fans could see the writing in the wall early on if they were paying attention. That drives me crazy to. Almost every non Western NY review of Allen babbles on about him sucking his first two years and then magically is great in his third. It's lazy and shows they don't have a clue at what they're talking about. The Allen progression can be broken down into 6 segments: Segment 1: Thrown to the wolves in game 2 of 2018. Bad offense combined with Allen being raw and not getting many snaps with the 1st team in preseason. Sure he struggled big time with head scratching throws & decisions but he also flashed brilliant like with the Vikings game. Segment 2: After he came back from his injury he dazzled with his running game and started making those signature Allen super throws. Bills won 3 games and though Allen still struggled at times he also shined. Clear improvement from the 1st segment. Segment 3: The first 3 games of 2019 saw Allen much improved at reading coverages and throwing the ball around. But still he was to careless with the ball and a disastrous NE game made us wonder. Segment 4: After the NE game Allen elevated his QB play significantly and helped the Bills clinch a playoff spot with 2 games left in the season. Had an okay game in the playoffs. Clearly the improvement of Allen from the first half of 2018 to the end of 2019 was as big as his jump this year. At the end of last season there was no doubt Allen could function as a pocket passing QB that could read defenses. Now the only question was how high was up? Segment 5: We saw how high was up through the first 4 games this season as Allen shredded defenses and piled up stats. Then Allen got dinged up and faced back to back playoff caliber teams that adjusted how you defended Allen and he struggled for a couple of weeks. Segment 6: Allen got healthy and adjusted his own play to match the new reality of how defenses would play the Bills. He added patience to his resume and he is now playing better QB then he was at the start of the season. 2
HappyDays Posted December 20, 2020 Posted December 20, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Bobby Hooks said: It’s funny how they’re trying to push the agenda that they didn’t miss anything from his first two seasons. The sudden improvement happened magically this season because he suddenly changed his throw and stance. Yep that is the narrative certain media members are trying to push. They were right all along and Bills fans were overly optimistic, we just got lucky that Allen is a unicorn. But that completely ignores that he has gotten better at every stage of his career. If you break down every season into halves he has basically played 6 half seasons in his pro career, and every half has been better than the last. It was never a sure thing that Allen would become this good but certain people acted like it was impossible that he would keep improving. The most ridiculous take I've seen is that "professional QBs are never better than they were in college" which is just completely untrue and I don't know where it came from. Biggest thing Allen has improved on is the basic plays. The falling over 3rd down completion to Diggs or the rocket TD to Kumerow I almost take for granted now. I expect that from him. The really impressive stuff is when he pump fakes the MLB to give Beasley an extra half second to come open across the middle and then delivers a perfect ball that lets Beasley continue to pick up yards after catch, or throws a perfect swing pass to the RB to pick up 5 easy yards on 1st down. Those are the plays people thought he would struggle with but he's worked his ass off to put it all together and now he's the total package. When you combine the type of play that Brady killed us with for years with Allen's elite physical skills you create an unstoppable QB. Edited December 20, 2020 by HappyDays 2
GreggTX Posted December 20, 2020 Posted December 20, 2020 I wish someone would inform the Madden raters that Allen and D Williams are very good players.
Doc Posted December 20, 2020 Posted December 20, 2020 2 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said: And that is the point, the Bills made no attempt to help Allen year one & minimal year two. They were too concerned on the other side of the ball and were slow in developing and giving Allen any weapons (remember there were none in 2017 either). The O was predictable and made only baby steps. Yes Allen improved, but more so the light was turned on & McD has finally understood Offense is he key to success. Again look how far ahead young QB's where there is an emphasis on Offense are v. those that think ground & pound is the way to go. Throw them in to the fray and let them sink or swim. Well, to be fair, in 2018, they had a ton of dead money. Plus Wood retired, and then Ritchie went crazy after the draft, making the OL a mess.
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