Chaos Posted December 20, 2020 Author Posted December 20, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, Shaw66 said: I love him, but for now he and Mahomes have to doff their caps and bow to Rodgers. nope. not at this time. Rodgers inferior mobility puts him in third place. Edited December 20, 2020 by Chaos
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 20, 2020 Posted December 20, 2020 11 hours ago, HappyDays said: I don't think any of those stats are measuring what I'm talking about. There are a couple deep passes per game that I see Mahomes complete where Allen historically has overthrown the same pass. Like others have said it helps to have Tyreek Hill catching those but it also requires deep accuracy that up to now Allen just hasn't had. I've been saying all year he needs to put an arc on those passes instead of flying them straight. Today he did that twice and it worked out. I can tell you from the point of release if an Allen deep ball will be completed or not. I think he's starting to figure it out. He had it figured out pretty well in the first 4 games. Then he separated his L shoulder and his mechanics fell off a bit. He seems to be getting them back.
Taro Nimbus Posted December 20, 2020 Posted December 20, 2020 I would put him at 3 behind Mahomes and Rodgers....currently
Billl Posted December 20, 2020 Posted December 20, 2020 12 hours ago, PrimeTime101 said: Tipped passes or not.. Mahomes had a 3 int game this year.. And Aaron Rodgers didn't look great tonight. Mahomes’s worst passer rating game this season was 83.5. Josh has 5 games in the 70s. (Mahomes has 3 games under 80 in his entire career). When Josh is dealing, he’s as good as anyone, but he’s still got 18 combined interceptions and fumbles. Yes that’s getting nitpicky, but when you’re comparing two players having great seasons that’s what you do. Josh is having a top 4 season with Mahomes, Rodgers, and Wilson. Those are all HOFers. Pretty good company to be in... 1 1
PrimeTime101 Posted December 20, 2020 Posted December 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Billl said: Mahomes’s worst passer rating game this season was 83.5. Josh has 5 games in the 70s. (Mahomes has 3 games under 80 in his entire career). When Josh is dealing, he’s as good as anyone, but he’s still got 18 combined interceptions and fumbles. Yes that’s getting nitpicky, but when you’re comparing two players having great seasons that’s what you do. Josh is having a top 4 season with Mahomes, Rodgers, and Wilson. Those are all HOFers. Pretty good company to be in... Hard to compare because right now so much is based on history. but for the most part I agree 1
Houston's #1 Bills Fan Posted December 20, 2020 Posted December 20, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, GreggTX said: Josh has incredible gifts, but 1 final hurdle remains. If I had to guess, I'd say Rogers will get the MVP. Josh will get his though. He's still got many years in front of him. The last impediment to MVP status will fall in 2021 and that is ball security. He's got several more picks than either Rogers or Mahomes and a lot more fumbles. He'll get that fixed though. He just needs to hold that ball more tightly when he's surrounded - especially when he pulls it down to run. It's really just a mindset, a habit if you will. He's too careless with the ball. Fix that and he's the best QB in the NFL. Edited December 20, 2020 by Houston's #1 Bills Fan
JoPoy88 Posted December 20, 2020 Posted December 20, 2020 11 minutes ago, Billl said: Mahomes’s worst passer rating game this season was 83.5. Josh has 5 games in the 70s. (Mahomes has 3 games under 80 in his entire career). When Josh is dealing, he’s as good as anyone, but he’s still got 18 combined interceptions and fumbles. Yes that’s getting nitpicky, but when you’re comparing two players having great seasons that’s what you do. Josh is having a top 4 season with Mahomes, Rodgers, and Wilson. Those are all HOFers. Pretty good company to be in... exactly. Rarified air Allen is finding himself in this year. And yet not enough for some - you just MUST conclude Allen is THE BEST and no others can even compare currently. It’s silly isn’t it? 1
Success Posted December 20, 2020 Posted December 20, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, x-BillzeBubba said: fyi this thread has been posted on the chiefs' board....they not very happy with it! "These clowns need to be humbled. Badly." I checked that thread. It's actually alarming how fans can so quickly transition to Patriot-level condescension after just 1 Super Bowl. They're convinced that there is no way the Bills could go into Arrowhead in January and beat them, since they had such an "easy" time w/ us in the last game. It's the NFL - the Jets beat the Pats in the playoffs after losing 45-3 in the regular season. I like our chances at KC in the playoffs. At worst, that game is a coin flip. Edited December 20, 2020 by Success
GoBills808 Posted December 20, 2020 Posted December 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said: exactly. Rarified air Allen is finding himself in this year. And yet not enough for some - you just MUST conclude Allen is THE BEST and no others can even compare currently. It’s silly isn’t it? He’s saying he’s playing the best right now, relax. 1
JoPoy88 Posted December 20, 2020 Posted December 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: He’s saying he’s playing the best right now, relax. and I can disagree. Not re-litigating this, so you relax. 1
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted December 20, 2020 Posted December 20, 2020 16 hours ago, Chaos said: I know people don't like to believe it, but the Buffalo Bills currently employ the NFL's best QB. HIs physical talent is without peer. His leadership is #1 as well. No aspect of his game is not in the Top 5 in the NFL .Overall he is the best. love the thought, but we all know who they need to beat for this to be validated
Chaos Posted December 20, 2020 Author Posted December 20, 2020 12 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: love the thought, but we all know who they need to beat for this to be validated Best QB does not always win. Reid > McDermott. KC Offensive Supporting cast > Bills. Josh needs to fill the gap.
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted December 20, 2020 Posted December 20, 2020 17 minutes ago, Success said: I checked that thread. It's actually alarming how fans can so quickly transition to Patriot-level condescension after just 1 Super Bowl. They're convinced that there is no way the Bills could go into Arrowhead in January and beat them, since they had such an "easy" time w/ us in the last game. It's the NFL - the Jets beat the Pats in the playoffs after losing 45-3 in the regular season. I like our chances at KC in the playoffs. At worst, that game is a coin flip. I'm not sure if you're trying to be ironic or not. Complaining about Chiefs fans confidence after "just 1 Super Bowl" and yet you think the Bills will beat KC in the playoffs and the "worst" case the game is a coin flip? What's that based on? Blowing out a pretty bad Broncos team? Allen and Mcdermott have 0 playoff wins. Let's wait a little bit before crowning ourselves... It's pretty clear that Mahomes is the best QB in the league right now. I'd say the 2nd tier is a mix of Allen, Rodgers, Watson, and Wilson (in no particular order). I don't know if anyone other than an extreme Bills homer would rate Allen as the best QB in the league. 2
Success Posted December 20, 2020 Posted December 20, 2020 7 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said: I'm not sure if you're trying to be ironic or not. Complaining about Chiefs fans confidence after "just 1 Super Bowl" and yet you think the Bills will beat KC in the playoffs and the "worst" case the game is a coin flip? What's that based on? Blowing out a pretty bad Broncos team? Allen and Mcdermott have 0 playoff wins. Let's wait a little bit before crowning ourselves... It's pretty clear that Mahomes is the best QB in the league right now. I'd say the 2nd tier is a mix of Allen, Rodgers, Watson, and Wilson (in no particular order). I don't know if anyone other than an extreme Bills homer would rate Allen as the best QB in the league. I said I like our chances. I haven't crowned anyone.
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted December 20, 2020 Posted December 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Chaos said: Best QB does not always win. Reid > McDermott. KC Offensive Supporting cast > Bills. Josh needs to fill the gap. your entitled to your opinion... I say josh needs to beat Mahomes before anyone outside of bills homers see him as better
Chaos Posted December 20, 2020 Author Posted December 20, 2020 10 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: your entitled to your opinion... I say josh needs to beat Mahomes before anyone outside of bills homers see him as better It is fact the best QB does not always win. Otherwise, Brady would have 19 Super Bowls, & 19 undefeated seasons. Fact.
transplantbillsfan Posted December 20, 2020 Posted December 20, 2020 Not right now. Allen is still ascending and he's already a top 3 QB in the NFL in 2020. He is the perfect prototype of a QB physically, mentally, emotionally and competitively. He really is a cyborg in that way. I expect (and really hope) to see Allen go a long stretch of games without missing one. He's built to last. His deep ball accuracy is what's keeping him from being the best right now. Those 2 deep passes to Diggs yesterday were super encouraging, and if he were to more consistently make those passes accurately the way Mahomes, Rodgers and Wilson do and protect the ball a little better, yes I would agree he's the best in 2020. He's still getting better, though, and best QB in 2020 isn't even his ceiling, anyway. Dude has decent shot to be the GOAT. 2
JoPoy88 Posted December 20, 2020 Posted December 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, Chaos said: It is fact the best QB does not always win. Otherwise, Brady would have 19 Super Bowls, & 19 undefeated seasons. Fact. so Brady was the best QB in the game all 19 years he was in NE? It’s a “fact” he was better than Peyton, better than Rodgers, better than Brees every single year over his run with the Pats? it’s true the best QB doesn’t always win the Super Bowl every year, but you sure chose a weak way to back that up.
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted December 20, 2020 Posted December 20, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Chaos said: It is fact the best QB does not always win. Otherwise, Brady would have 19 Super Bowls, & 19 undefeated seasons. Fact. It’s a fact Brady’s number one argument supporting his goat status is about rings and wins. his individual stats and accolades do not separate him from the other greats nearly as much as the wins. The best QBs win maybe not every time but certainly most of the time. It’s that simple Edited December 20, 2020 by Over 29 years of fanhood
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