GunnerBill Posted December 16, 2020 Posted December 16, 2020 1 hour ago, eball said: It seems we have to address this every season, but there is NO data to back up the trap game or letdown game myth. Bottom line — there is no evidence that good teams beat bad teams at a higher or lower rate when they play a good team the week before or the week after that game. This is an old article but it tells the story. Stop the madness. A trap game doesn't have to be lost for it to be a trap game. To me the phrase just means a game that a team could be guilty of overlooking. 2
cd1 Posted December 16, 2020 Posted December 16, 2020 Could Pittsburg have "overlooked" Washington? ( asking for a friend...) 😉 1
eball Posted December 16, 2020 Author Posted December 16, 2020 40 minutes ago, NewEra said: It exists in the betting world. One of my best friends, whom I’ve known for 20 years now, is a professionally sports bettor. That’s all he does to make his money. We exchange texts daily regarding lines that we like. He uses the term “trap game” at least 2-3 times a month. In many cases, i scoff at the notion that the game he’s talking about would be a trap game and I don’t bet it. Low and behold, his prediction will come through and he’s laughing all the way to the bank. The term may be a myth, from MY experience, it absolutely exists. You're sort of proving my point. Betting lines are based upon perception, not reality, and if people "think" there are trap games they bet accordingly. In the NFL even the bad teams are loaded with talent. It truly is an "any given Sunday" league. These guys know if they aren't ready to play they'll get embarrassed. It's a fact. Sure, they may look at the W-L records and think "we should win this game" but they wouldn't be playing in the NFL if they allowed that to impact the effort they put forth. By the way, put me in contact with your friend!
ILBillsfan Posted December 16, 2020 Posted December 16, 2020 This is where I'm very thankful of McDermott. He has been very good at keeping the team focused and I do not see any way that the Bills overlook any team. they all seem to be on the same page at looking at the season one game at a time. i know people like to tease about the clapping but he has a great perspective and has kept this team focused. 2
GunnerBill Posted December 16, 2020 Posted December 16, 2020 1 minute ago, ILBillsfan said: This is where I'm very thankful of McDermott. He has been very good at keeping the team focused and I do not see any way that the Bills overlook any team. they all seem to be on the same page at looking at the season one game at a time. i know people like to tease about the clapping but he has a great perspective and has kept this team focused. You saying a trap game might not exist, but a clap game definitely does? 2
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted December 16, 2020 Posted December 16, 2020 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: The Bills haven’t clinched anything yet. How is this a Trap Game? If anything, this is the most important of the three they have left. Win this one and then you can ‘rest’ might be the closest I’d come to a less than a must win message. I believe this would be called a "let down" game not a "trap game" as defined in the article OP linked. There's a number of myths in the NFL world that are absolutely false when you do statistical analysis, but are constantly referenced as gospel: Trap/Let down games QBs need big hands It's tough to beat a team for a 3rd time in 1 season There must be more, but that's all I've off the top of my head
dma0034 Posted December 16, 2020 Posted December 16, 2020 I will say this about the Broncos game. They've gone 3-0 in the AFC East and they have had a brutally hard schedule (harder than the Bills schedule). I don't think they're some power house or anything but they can win 1
ProcessAccepted Posted December 16, 2020 Posted December 16, 2020 2 hours ago, Steptide said: This isn't a trap game. This is a "win this game and we win the division" game. I highly doubt the bills are thinking about a bad Patriots team the following week. There is no need. Agree with a side of chasing the #2 seed. We will need all 3 games.
947 Posted December 16, 2020 Posted December 16, 2020 Saints vs Eagles last week was clearly a trap game. Saints were obviously looking ahead to KC & probably prepared as such. That Eagles team is really bad & had no business being in that game, let alone winning it. 2
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted December 16, 2020 Posted December 16, 2020 So teams that finished Over .500 vs. a team finished under .500. In other words any team 9-7 that plays a team 7-9. It seems to be a pretty shoddy analysis, especially since its Harvard. I can think of a million questions and definitions about this study that invalidate it. Like does the reputation of the team not matter? A 7-9 Lions team is a little different than a 7-9 Patriots team. Is it a divisional game? When people refer to a "trap" game, is it not more like a 12-4 Packers team playing 4-12 Giants team; the week before before the play a 12-4 Saints team for the #1 seed; and the week after playing an emotional divisonal game against a 10-6 Bears team? And, don't people refer to a team underperforming like being a 14 pt favorite and playing down to the opponent only to win by a FG in the second half? Wouldn't put much stock in this study. Believe what you want, but if you ever coached before and had a team come out flat, you understand the heuristic about a trap game. 1 1
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted December 16, 2020 Posted December 16, 2020 2 hours ago, RobbRiddicksTDLeap said: Is it not outside the realm of possibility that some locker rooms become comfortable with the idea of victory; and in such a mindset, become less focused on the work needed? There may be no statistical evidence, but there is plenty of anecdotal evidence to suggest that some teams fall victim to this mindset. I can recall teams in Gailey Era and the Marrone Era, and 1 Super Bowl, where this was clearly the case. I think maybe at the coaching level they try not to open up the whole playbook against an inferior opponent but players are playing for their careers and to earn that next big contract every week so I wouldnt think it happens at a player level much. What do I know though 🤣
Orlando Buffalo Posted December 16, 2020 Posted December 16, 2020 The article definition is not close to right, simply saying above or below 500 is not the proper definition since an 7-9 team is not bad. I would say above 650 and below 350 which those games do not happen as often back to back. I would say the raiders vs Jets was a trap game and it almost happened.
RiotAct Posted December 16, 2020 Posted December 16, 2020 I say that the trap game is real, and that’s good enough for me. So there. 2
Kelly the Dog Posted December 16, 2020 Posted December 16, 2020 The thing is, a trap doesn’t have to work, and it’s still a trap. So this could still be a trap game. 1 1
MJS Posted December 16, 2020 Posted December 16, 2020 Nice to be in a position to have a "trap game". For the longest time we were hoping that WE were the trap game for bigger, better opponents.
Kenosha2Buffalo Posted December 16, 2020 Posted December 16, 2020 33 minutes ago, 947 said: Saints vs Eagles last week was clearly a trap game. Saints were obviously looking ahead to KC & probably prepared as such. That Eagles team is really bad & had no business being in that game, let alone winning it. Hill is no brees, and Wentz is no hurts. People underestimate a change of the guard.. did you watch the game ?
x-BillzeBubba Posted December 16, 2020 Posted December 16, 2020 hard to imagine a game that could seal the team's first AFCE title for the first time in a quarter century could be taken lightly...they might be a little tight if anything 1
BringBackFlutie Posted December 16, 2020 Posted December 16, 2020 14 minutes ago, MJS said: Nice to be in a position to have a "trap game". For the longest time we were hoping that WE were the trap game for bigger, better opponents. I mean, we were even hoping to be the Seahawks' trap game. 1
MJS Posted December 16, 2020 Posted December 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, BringBackFlutie said: I mean, we were even hoping to be the Seahawks' trap game. Huh? No. The Bills were 6-2 heading into that game. Everyone saw it as a big matchup. There's a difference in being an underdog and it being a trap game. You think there was any chance the Seahawks would be looking past a matchup with a 6-2 opponent?
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