Plus or Minus that Allen keeps throwing to struggling receivers?

[Cheektowaga Chad]

Its a definite plus

 

As soon as you cut a guy off or refuse to pass to someone you become that much easier to defend

[Mr. WEO]

2 hours ago, AKC said:

Josh continues throwing to targets who have let him down in games. He does not seem to have any of the “punish receivers who drop passes” reaction that’s not uncommon in this league among passers, even the better passers. Last night he continued feeding Gabriel Davis and Dawson Knox after they’d let passes go that should have been brought down. The flip side of the coin is Diggs who preaches to all of them to catch the ball before doing anything else. Not that Diggs doesn’t have a couple drops this season but he’s exponentially more reliable than Knox. Glad he was successful lobbying for the ball at halftime last night!

 

 

 

After 13 games, Davis has 1 drop.  The "drop" last night was pushed out of his hands by the defender.

 

Allen sailed a lot of balls last night.  The team with the drop problem was clearly the Steelers.

 

Knox is bad though.  

[Unforgiven]

    He can throw to whomever he wants, as long as they score and win.

As a side note, I'm beginning to think McD is a brilliant coach...

I don't think he gets enough credit for it imho.

It's little things like game planning to throw to struggling receivers that

make them a bit a harder to prepare for.

 

[PromoTheRobot]

2 hours ago, ProcessAccepted said:

Plus. Knox had some big plays last night after his mishaps

 

Sal pointed out that Tomlin benched WR Diontae Johnson for part of the game after dropping two passes, saying that helped the Bills by taking their fastest WR off the field. So is that a good thing? McDermott sat Zack Moss down last week after his fumble. But you don't want to handcuff your team just to make a point.

[Don Otreply]

If a QB wants 100% buy in he feeds everyone when they are open. 
 

Go Bills!!!

[947]

I did notice a play last night where Knox was open for a 9-10 yard pass, and Josh went to Diggs who was underneath him. It was early in the 2nd half & I remember noting to myself that it was likely due to trust.

[gordong]

cut the bum...  cut em all...  

Edited December 14, 2020 by gordong

[Kwai San]

2 hours ago, BigBuff423 said:

And this isn't meant to be a zing against the OP, but if Josh had been forcing the throw to Beasley or Diggs when they *weren't* open because of dropped passes or miscues previously, he would be getting ROASTED all across this board for that very thing. And honestly, he should be - you throw the guy open or you throw to the open guy, everyone of them is a professional and Josh has to trust that they take that as seriously as he does. Mistakes are going to happen and on the cold night against that Defense, probably the best they've seen all year, you have to know there will be a mistake here or there. Bigger question: do they get better as the game goes on? Do they improve from week-to-week? To both of those questions thus far, Yes. 

 

So, while Knox has had his ups and downs, he's been better on the whole than he was in his Rookie year. Add in COVID, no Pre-Season and an improved slate of competition and what we're seeing is a incremental development of an NFL TE who was raw when he came into the league. Give him to this time next year to see just what the Bills have in him as a TE before presuming he's not any good - not that I'm suggesting anyone is saying that, but let's not rush to judgment. 

 

I've posted it in other places on this board, but TE is notorious for taking several years, even the great ones, before you can see the true potential come to fruition. I believe Knox will be the same: third year, a big step forward, and fourth year - we see his real worth to the Offense.

 

Man I hope you are right cuz I am not seeing the value of keeping him.....again - I hope I am slamming down MASSIVE portions of crow next season (full dislaimer I WILL admit to it if it happens) cuz I like the kid but can do without the drops and fumbles......

[MJS]

3 minutes ago, Kwai San said:

 

Man I hope you are right cuz I am not seeing the value of keeping him.....again - I hope I am slamming down MASSIVE portions of crow next season (full dislaimer I WILL admit to it if it happens) cuz I like the kid but can do without the drops and fumbles......

Knox also caught TD's the last two weeks and would have caught one this week if it wasn't for the blatant PI that was called.

[Kwai San]

1 minute ago, MJS said:

Knox also caught TD's the last two weeks and would have caught one this week if it wasn't for the blatant PI that was called.

 

Yeah all I know is I was seeing RED after that "fumble" action early on in the game......I shoulda not posted what I did but I was pissed!  Like I said I will be more than happy to admit I am wrong when he proves me wrong and more than happy to eat my crow.....

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

4 hours ago, AKC said:

Josh continues throwing to targets who have let him down in games. He does not seem to have any of the “punish receivers who drop passes” reaction that’s not uncommon in this league among passers, even the better passers. Last night he continued feeding Gabriel Davis and Dawson Knox after they’d let passes go that should have been brought down. The flip side of the coin is Diggs who preaches to all of them to catch the ball before doing anything else. Not that Diggs doesn’t have a couple drops this season but he’s exponentially more reliable than Knox. Glad he was successful lobbying for the ball at halftime last night!

 

 

i guess Big Ben should do the same.  
 

steelers lead the league in dropped passes 

 

 

[Rk_Bills86]

I don't even know how to look up this info going back pre-2000 but it occurred to me that I think Allen is only missing 1 player on the starting 53 in terms of position players that he has NOT thrown a TD pass too. Allen will throw to whoever is open and that is refreshing. (so long as we don't end up with a case of the drops like Pitt has).

[Bob in STL]

5 hours ago, AKC said:

Josh continues throwing to targets who have let him down in games. He does not seem to have any of the “punish receivers who drop passes” reaction that’s not uncommon in this league among passers, even the better passers. Last night he continued feeding Gabriel Davis and Dawson Knox after they’d let passes go that should have been brought down. The flip side of the coin is Diggs who preaches to all of them to catch the ball before doing anything else. Not that Diggs doesn’t have a couple drops this season but he’s exponentially more reliable than Knox. Glad he was successful lobbying for the ball at halftime last night!

 

Is this a serious post?  Punish his receivers?   You play with the team you have.  Stars like Josh Allen make average players good, and good players even better.  
 

Davis caught a big TD.  Knox, despite his problems last night, got wide open at the goal line and drew the pass interface.  We got 10 points from those two plays.  
 

You can’t throw to Diggs on every down for a lot of reasons. 

[klos63]

Davis has earned trust I would think. Knox is still an issue, but if he's out there, need to use him.

[wjag]

Interesting take.  A few of those “drops” were Steelers getting their hands on the ball.  Give the Steelers some credit here.  Mire than not, Bills receivers are catching the balls thrown to them.  

[gobills1212]

Funny. I thought by now an appropriate amount of time would have passed to sober up. Guess not

[Augie]

6 hours ago, Bangarang said:

Plus or minus what?

 

I don’t know, but when I signed up I was told there would be no math! 

 

If they are out there, and they are the open guy, it’s his job to throw it to them, and it’s THEIR job to catch it. Period. What’s he gonna do, throw it to the reliable but covered guy? 

 

Maybe we should put Josh in ther slot and move Beasley to QB? He’s got a perfect records so far. 

 

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Edited December 15, 2020 by Augie

[LABILLBACKER]

6 hours ago, WhoTom said:

Davis had a couple of drops early on. I'm glad Josh didn't give up on him.

 

Gabe was wide open on the deep post. Shouldve had 2 tds. Just not enough trajectory. I have absolutely zero qualms with our wrs. Knox and his longevity is another issue?  Wonder if Kroft ever sees the field again or is he in Yeldon Limbo?

Edited December 15, 2020 by LABILLBACKER

[BADOLBILZ]

4 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

After 13 games, Davis has 1 drop.  The "drop" last night was pushed out of his hands by the defender.

 

Allen sailed a lot of balls last night.  The team with the drop problem was clearly the Steelers.

 

Knox is bad though.  

 

 

Davis had a positive with the TD but otherwise had an uncharacteristically rough game...........2 contested but very catchable drops...........had a big missed assignment on a block that blew up a play.    His issues stalled several drives.  

 

But the worst play though was leaving his feet on that beautiful deep ball where he leapt out of bounds.

 

Very surprising for someone who is a pretty polished receiver.   Usually it's the less athletic/coordinated receivers that have to pick up their feet to concentrate on catching the ball.   TJ Graham would be an extreme example.......he couldn't catch anything without jumping.  You simply can't jump yourself out of bounds there.  Slow down......stake your feet........take a PI........but don't do that.   For a receiver that's like a QB taking a sack on third down to knock you out of field goal range.  From what we've seen I think he is capable of taking that pass on the run but it's on tape now so he can expect DB's to anticipate him leaving his feet on boundary throws and then simply escorting him out of bounds for easy stops.         

[Hapless Bills Fan]

7 hours ago, BigBuff423 said:

And this isn't meant to be a zing against the OP, but if Josh had been forcing the throw to Beasley or Diggs when they *weren't* open because of dropped passes or miscues previously, he would be getting ROASTED all across this board for that very thing. And honestly, he should be - you throw the guy open or you throw to the open guy, everyone of them is a professional and Josh has to trust that they take that as seriously as he does. Mistakes are going to happen and on the cold night against that Defense, probably the best they've seen all year, you have to know there will be a mistake here or there. Bigger question: do they get better as the game goes on? Do they improve from week-to-week? To both of those questions thus far, Yes.

 

This.

 

If we listen to McDermott and to both Daboll and Frazier, they all express the viewpoint that part of their job is to make the correction, have the tough conversation, and then move on and not dwell on it and keep bringing it up.  I can see where it would be really important for a player to feel trust that their coach has that viewpoint - 'we can't do that, here is what needs to change technically or mentally, you're on the team because we know you have the talent to contribute and I have confidence that you can'. 

 

Otherwise you're asking a player to make a technical change or to focus better against a weight of negativity and worry.  Show me anyone who performs better while worrying that they're one mis-step away from the unemployment line and fighting an uphill battle to regain the confidence of their boss and coworkers (or their coach and their teammates) than they do with a background of "they all have faith in me, let me live up to that", and I'll show you a Rare Bird.