chris heff Posted December 13, 2020 Author Posted December 13, 2020 7 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: I’m at little harbor in the Abacos, were are you? About 180 miles west Delray Beach FL
Don Otreply Posted December 13, 2020 Posted December 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, chris heff said: About 180 miles west Delray Beach FL 😁👍
BigDingus Posted December 13, 2020 Posted December 13, 2020 In some recent years, we've had some pretty successful transitions too. Chargers went from Brees to Rivers, that's not bad. Cowboys went from Romo to Prescott. Chiefs went from Smith to Mahomes. Ravens went from Flacco to Jackson. I know those aren't all legends, but they went from playoff/SB QB's to other playoff/SB QB's.
ghostwriter Posted December 13, 2020 Posted December 13, 2020 Some years there are no good QBs at all in an entire draft.. Look at the 2013 draft.. Even the #1 overall pick can’t get you a franchise QB sometimes.. Even if there’s two or three nice prospects, usually all of them are gone within the first five picks.. Meaning, if you’re a team like New England, we’re talking 2-3 1st round picks minimum to go up for one.. Some guys do fall through the cracks though, it happens but not often..
chris heff Posted December 13, 2020 Author Posted December 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, BigDingus said: In some recent years, we've had some pretty successful transitions too. Chargers went from Brees to Rivers, that's not bad. Cowboys went from Romo to Prescott. Chiefs went from Smith to Mahomes. Ravens went from Flacco to Jackson. I know those aren't all legends, but they went from playoff/SB QB's to other playoff/SB QB's. What I was getting at, was transitioning from a QB that has had a long history of success with a franchise, to a new good to great QB. The Pats troll was making the case that replacing Brady and being competitive in playoffs was going to be no big deal because the team and coach are so good. Chargers had given up on Brees. Cowboys verdict is still out, they moved on from Romo, but even before injury they seemed reluctant to pay Prescott. Chiefs traded up for Mahomes, they didn’t view Smith as long term option. Ravens is a yes.
chris heff Posted December 13, 2020 Author Posted December 13, 2020 7 minutes ago, Victory Formation said: Some years there are no good QBs at all in an entire draft.. Look at the 2013 draft.. Even the #1 overall pick can’t get you a franchise QB sometimes.. Even if there’s two or three nice prospects, usually all of them are gone within the first five picks.. Meaning, if you’re a team like New England, we’re talking 2-3 1st round picks minimum to go up for one.. Some guys do fall through the cracks though, it happens but not often.. My point exactly, any season there is not 32 guys on the planet that can be good let alone great franchise QBs in the NFL. It is hard to fill that position.
BigDingus Posted December 13, 2020 Posted December 13, 2020 1 minute ago, chris heff said: What I was getting at, was transitioning from a QB that has had a long history of success with a franchise, to a new good to great QB. The Pats troll was making the case that replacing Brady and being competitive in playoffs was going to be no big deal because the team and coach are so good. Chargers had given up on Brees. Cowboys verdict is still out, they moved on from Romo, but even before injury they seemed reluctant to pay Prescott. Chiefs traded up for Mahomes, they didn’t view Smith as long term option. Ravens is a yes. I mean I 100% agree with you, but the reasoning for the transitions don't matter. Teams giving up or moving on from players can be said for all the QB's listed in the original post (Plunket wasn't viewed as a franchise QB either, the Niners were ready to push Montana out the door near the end, Belichick had no interest in Bledsoe after seeing what Brady could do etc). And I don't think Dak is #1 QB in the league-type of player, but if the verdict is still out on him, then the verdict is still out on Allen... Dak is about to become the highest paid QB in the league for a reason, as he's shown plenty enough to be a franchise guy. 42-27 W/L record, averaging nearly 4,000 yards a season, 106 TD's to 40 INT's, 66% completions, 97.3 passer rating. Definitely not the best in the world, but a great followup to Romo? Certainly.
chris heff Posted December 13, 2020 Author Posted December 13, 2020 22 minutes ago, BigDingus said: I mean I 100% agree with you, but the reasoning for the transitions don't matter. Teams giving up or moving on from players can be said for all the QB's listed in the original post (Plunket wasn't viewed as a franchise QB either, the Niners were ready to push Montana out the door near the end, Belichick had no interest in Bledsoe after seeing what Brady could do etc). And I don't think Dak is #1 QB in the league-type of player, but if the verdict is still out on him, then the verdict is still out on Allen... Dak is about to become the highest paid QB in the league for a reason, as he's shown plenty enough to be a franchise guy. 42-27 W/L record, averaging nearly 4,000 yards a season, 106 TD's to 40 INT's, 66% completions, 97.3 passer rating. Definitely not the best in the world, but a great followup to Romo? Certainly. That is true, I guess my point was it is hard to transition from one good QB to another. There is some luck involved, one has to come available in free agency, or available in the draft. Here’s another exercise. Go through every franchise and come up with great and good QBs. The Bills, Kelly great, Kemp and Ferguson were good. I think Josh will be great, but I’m a well known homer. 2
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted December 13, 2020 Posted December 13, 2020 (edited) Before my time, did the Bills go from Kemp to Ferguson? Or was there someone in between? May have been they were sou lousy in between, don't recall anyone else?? LOL! Edited December 13, 2020 by Ed_Formerly_of_Roch
The Jokeman Posted December 13, 2020 Posted December 13, 2020 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Before my time, did the Bills go from Kemp to Ferguson? Or was there someone in between? May have been they were sou lousy in between, don't recall anyone else?? LOL! Kemp retired in 1969, Fergy was drafted in 1973. The sad part is we had the QB in wings in Lamonica but traded him away to the Raiders. PS I was born in 1977 but still know my Bills history. Edited December 13, 2020 by The Jokeman
Mr. WEO Posted December 13, 2020 Posted December 13, 2020 4 hours ago, chris heff said: Seattle okay Dallas I went back and added Cinci, yup Altanta maybe? Vikings maybe? Chiefs, no there is a bunch of okay guys there. If you go down that road you have to start adding Colts, Unitas to Domres, to Jones. yeah I agree. Can't plop Steve Bono in that list and hope no one notices 1
vincec Posted December 13, 2020 Posted December 13, 2020 I think the core of the question is which teams lost a Super Bowl winning QB and immediately replaced him with another Super Bowl winning QB? I can think of SF with Montana to Young, but that's it. So no, it's not that easy, IMO. 1
Jaybo71 Posted December 13, 2020 Posted December 13, 2020 3 hours ago, BigDingus said: In some recent years, we've had some pretty successful transitions too. Chargers went from Brees to Rivers, that's not bad. Cowboys went from Romo to Prescott. Chiefs went from Smith to Mahomes. Ravens went from Flacco to Jackson. I know those aren't all legends, but they went from playoff/SB QB's to other playoff/SB QB's. Chargers also look like they found the replacement for Rivers with Herbert. 1
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted December 14, 2020 Posted December 14, 2020 1 hour ago, The Jokeman said: Kemp retired in 1969, Fergy was drafted in 1973. The sad part is we had the QB in wings in Lamonica but traded him away to the Raiders. PS I was born in 1977 but still know my Bills history. Actually I graduated HS in 1973, but didn't live in the area and didn't follow them. I can recall OJ highlights and seeing a few of their games. Recall watching a late season Saturday game on TV with Ahmad Rashad playing in. Started following the Bills in 80's.
Saxum Posted December 14, 2020 Posted December 14, 2020 6 hours ago, Doc said: The Cheaters' biggest problem is that Belicheat isn't going to be around for long. No he will cheat death and old age. He is the GOAT cheater. 1 1
ganesh Posted December 14, 2020 Posted December 14, 2020 Favre to Rodgers....that is almost 20 years of great QB play especially during our 'suck' period. 2
chris heff Posted December 14, 2020 Author Posted December 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Jaybo71 said: Chargers also look like they found the replacement for Rivers with Herbert. Jury still out, but okay.
K-9 Posted December 14, 2020 Posted December 14, 2020 5 hours ago, chris heff said: If we add Romo to Prescott and all of Ethan’s we have only come up with 13 or 14 times in about 70 years where there has been good QB succession. That is not a lot considering the number of franchises. The Patriots fan didn’t consider Cam to be a “bridge” because even he had come to realization that Cam is done. Oh, Cam is a bridge all right: 2
chris heff Posted December 14, 2020 Author Posted December 14, 2020 1 hour ago, The Jokeman said: Kemp retired in 1969, Fergy was drafted in 1973. The sad part is we had the QB in wings in Lamonica but traded him away to the Raiders. PS I was born in 1977 but still know my Bills history. That trade still pisses me off and was 14 when it happened. 36 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Actually I graduated HS in 1973, but didn't live in the area and didn't follow them. I can recall OJ highlights and seeing a few of their games. Recall watching a late season Saturday game on TV with Ahmad Rashad playing in. Started following the Bills in 80's. Ferguson was a good QB and a tough SOB. Played a playoff game against Chargers with a broken ankle. 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: yeah I agree. Can't plop Steve Bono in that list and hope no one notices Or Elvis 1
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted December 14, 2020 Posted December 14, 2020 6 minutes ago, chris heff said: Ferguson was a good QB and a tough SOB. Played a playoff game against Chargers with a broken ankle. I do remember that game.
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