eball Posted December 12, 2020 Posted December 12, 2020 7 hours ago, Warcodered said: and yet. https://billswire.usatoday.com/2020/11/14/josh-allen-pro-football-focus-buffalo-bills/ Brady 3rd? LOLOL
Stank_Nasty Posted December 12, 2020 Posted December 12, 2020 6 hours ago, MJS said: I'm pretty sure they have counted a lot of his good plays as turnover worthy. I bet the lazer to Davis on Monday was counted was “turnover worthy”. Which just makes me chuckle. I feel like there should be a grading curve on that stat that has to do with the fact only certain qb’s having the arm to get it done. 1
Watkins101 Posted December 12, 2020 Posted December 12, 2020 7 hours ago, Big Blitz said: And Brady??? For real? My list (so absolute authority lol) Mahomes Rodgers Watson Allen Wilson It seems to me that PFF puts extremely high value on decision making for Qb, rather than execution of those decisions. I think the execution tends to be more important however. 2
Billsfan1972 Posted December 12, 2020 Posted December 12, 2020 How about then "Garbage Time Prevent Allowance or GTPA" to adjust Tannehill's #'s vs. Cleveland down 38-7?😉 2
Just Joshin' Posted December 12, 2020 Posted December 12, 2020 So they have determined that throwing into a specific window could be an interception. Josh knows he has the arm strength and accuracy to make the throw and does. PFF dings him. Sounds right.
Malazan Posted December 12, 2020 Posted December 12, 2020 8 hours ago, Big Blitz said: And continue to find (make up) stats to trash Allen It's almost parody at this point How do you not get this by now? PFF's goal isn't 'accurate statistics'... it's attention. Guess what they get with people getting their britches in a knot every time they say so and so isn't good? You literally did their job for them. So guess what you will get more of? More of them saying Allen is bad because fools will rush to post that **** all over the internet every single time they say it.
Thurman#1 Posted December 12, 2020 Posted December 12, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, Big Blitz said: And continue to find (make up) stats to trash Allen It's almost parody at this point So, it's bad, and it's about Allen, so it must be wrong. I see how this works. Makes total sense. Excellent arguments, all around, on this thread. Not one person has addressed the substance, yet panties are bunched. To be fair, I loved this comment: 8 hours ago, QLBillsFan said: Does he get one less for the LAR Kroft catch ? Fair point. Wonder how that was graded. Allen's been terrific. PFF acknowledges that. Playing well can sometimes be accompanied by a bad stat here or there. Remember the one about how Rodgers had about the lowest comeback percentage in world history, because he's generally got them ahead? Or Favre's high INTs? Edited December 12, 2020 by Thurman#1 1
Matt_In_NH Posted December 12, 2020 Posted December 12, 2020 Yawwwwwwwwwwwn. Stop being so sensitive. There are lots of ways to view performance, Allen wont be on top of every single one, it does not meanthey are calling him trash.
The Wiz Posted December 12, 2020 Posted December 12, 2020 PFF: About to post something negative about Josh Allen. Let's see how bills mafia reacts 1
Big Turk Posted December 12, 2020 Posted December 12, 2020 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: So, it's bad, and it's about Allen, so it must be wrong. I see how this works. Makes total sense. Excellent arguments, all around, on this thread. Not one person has addressed the substance, yet panties are bunched. To be fair, I loved this comment: Fair point. Wonder how that was graded. Allen's been terrific. PFF acknowledges that. Playing well can sometimes be accompanied by a bad stat here or there. Remember the one about how Rodgers had about the lowest comeback percentage in world history, because he's generally got them ahead? Or Favre's high INTs? Well I guess it depends what you want to base you opinions off of. Because if you look at the analytics from Pro-Football-Reference.com it tells a different story. Allen is 7th best in the NFL in Bad Throw percentage at only 14.3%, and is 3rd best in the NFL in OnTarget% at 80.9%, and the 2 QB's above him, Bridgewater and Brees are both way below him in intended air yards, meaning they throw much shorter passes than Allen does in general which makes them easier to be on target with. Allen is at 8.0 IAY/Att, while Bridgewater is at 6.8 and Brees is ahead of only Alex Smith at 5.4 IAY/Att. And it is true that Roethlesberger is throwing a lot of short passes as his is barely above Bridgewater at 6.9 IAY/Att. Playing Denver will be fun because Lock in many ways is Allen from his rookie year...Leads the NFL in IAY/Att with 9.3 but also leads the NFL in bad throw percentage at 26.0% and is dead last in OnTarget Percentage at 67.4%. In Allen's rookie year, his IAY/Att was an astounding 11.3 and bad throw percentage was 25.7%. So when we play Denver we are pretty much playing a rookie Allen clone in terms of throw types and decision making. Edited December 12, 2020 by matter2003 1
TH3 Posted December 12, 2020 Posted December 12, 2020 PFF...meh...JA and Mahomes are 1-2 in ability to make something good to unbelievable happen at anytime....JA's TD throw with 40 seconds left at AZ says it all...2-3 qb's can make that throw at that time Score that!
bobobonators Posted December 12, 2020 Posted December 12, 2020 10 hours ago, Big Blitz said: And continue to find (make up) stats to trash Allen It's almost parody at this point Im not even going to bother looking into it. But how subjective can a “turnover worthy” play be. What a waste. Why not start keeping track of “lovely” td’s vs “ugly” tds? 1
wjag Posted December 12, 2020 Posted December 12, 2020 10 hours ago, Big Blitz said: And continue to find (make up) stats to trash Allen It's almost parody at this point I don't have a problem with this stat. High risk, high reward. What would be more telling are two things: when they occurred and what the outcome of the play was. Throwing that dig route to Gabe was certainly one of them. That had INT written all over it. The number isn't as important as the outcome. What biases you immediately is seeing Wentz on there. His outcomes have been poor.
John from Riverside Posted December 12, 2020 Posted December 12, 2020 It’s just totally obvious that Josh Allen has broken PFF’s matrix system and they don’t know what to do about it 2 1
Buffalo_Stampede Posted December 12, 2020 Posted December 12, 2020 Allen's problem, and most would agree is fumbles. That is included in this stat. It's not all about bad throws. Also if you analyze the 3 players Drew Lock's numbers are much worse. He has much fewer attempts and rushes compared to Allen. Allen has a lot more than Wentz also. So the stat really doesn't tell the truth. Looking at this you'd say Allen is more careless with the ball but he's actually much better.
finn Posted December 12, 2020 Posted December 12, 2020 The "trained" people grading throws as turnover-worthy are probably counting throws like the one to Gabe Davis over the SF into an incredibly tight window. PFF needs to adjust its metrics to allow for superstars. They assume a throw like that is bad because it would have been a turnover if it was less accurate or had less velocity. The fact that it was on target and impossible to intercept doesn't matter to them.
MJS Posted December 12, 2020 Posted December 12, 2020 2 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: So, it's bad, and it's about Allen, so it must be wrong. I see how this works. Makes total sense. Excellent arguments, all around, on this thread. Not one person has addressed the substance, yet panties are bunched. To be fair, I loved this comment: Because their "metrics" OFTEN (not sometimes) don't sync with what we see in games. And not just with Allen, with other players too. They have given Sam Darnold some extremely high grades before when you watch him playing pretty badly. And their "metrics" OFTEN (not sometimes) don't align with the actual stats (the ones that can be objectively tracked, not the ones that they make up and are subjective).
Billsfan1972 Posted December 12, 2020 Posted December 12, 2020 20 minutes ago, finn said: The "trained" people grading throws as turnover-worthy are probably counting throws like the one to Gabe Davis over the SF into an incredibly tight window. PFF needs to adjust its metrics to allow for superstars. They assume a throw like that is bad because it would have been a turnover if it was less accurate or had less velocity. The fact that it was on target and impossible to intercept doesn't matter to them. They do..... Mahomes, Rodgers & Wilson would get full points for that throw. Mahomes & Rodgers as said earlier probably are 1-2 (with Allen) in making these "Turnover Worthy Plays" and I will bet are not marked that way.
Buffalo_Stampede Posted December 12, 2020 Posted December 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: They do..... Mahomes, Rodgers & Wilson would get full points for that throw. Mahomes & Rodgers as said earlier probably are 1-2 (with Allen) in making these "Turnover Worthy Plays" and I will bet are not marked that way. 19 turnover worthy plays doesn't seem like a high number for Allen. He's fumbled the ball 7 times and most were just poor ball security. He's thrown 8 INTs. 1-2 were definitely not bad throws off the top of my head. I wouldn't get too worked up over this stat, but it seems pretty accurate.
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