Who is more instrumental in building the Bills?

[NewEra]

25 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Guess I just don’t respond to waste of time questions then very well.  And given the amount of answers saying both, I think the proof is in the replies and the OP is getting their answer.  

I hear ya.  I can’t answer for the Op because I’m not him, but I just think that “both” is the answer that he doesn’t want.....or he would’ve included it.  He most likely didn’t include both because it wasn’t what he was looking for. 
 

The reason I feel that McD is more influential:  he was the bigger influencer in changing the culture and mind set in the locker room.  
 

the problem I have with “both”:  that’s like saying every coach/GM combo has equal influence on a teams success.  I don’t believe that to be true in the least. Considering your bolded statement below, you’re saying that there’s no way to compare the two.  There have been several teams that had great coaching and a bad gm and vice versa. I don’t think in every case, the coach and GM had equal influence.   Who was more influential on the 2016 Kc chiefs, Andy Reid or John Dorsey.? Both?  Because they do different things and can’t be compared linearly, that doesn’t mean that one isn’t more influential.  It means that we have no way to prove it either way.  But that doesn’t mean we don’t have an opinion on the matter. 
 

If you think, the HC and GM have the same influence on building every team, you’re entitled to that opinion. I disagree.  I do agree that there isn’t a science to it and it can’t be proven.

32 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

But I said any poll that doesn’t have both as an option, which “All of the above” Is always an option in a poll like this, is not with discussing.  

And you literally just said that in your reply to me when you said “That doesn’t necessarily mean that one is more influential than the other. Just who WE THINK is.”  

 

So you are acknowledging that clearly both is a viable answer, which is the very thing I took exemption to with this poll.  And you and I both know “both” is the real answer and anything other than that is just splitting hairs to answer an incomplete poll.  We don’t have the same success without Beane and we don’t have the same success without McD.  To quantify who is more important or played a bigger role is not really possible given the roles are completely different.  
 

So I stand by my original answer that both have been equally important to our success.  I do agree, that a HC could make a bigger impact in terms of what he gets out of the roster, but he also won’t get very far either and will have a low ceiling if the roster isn’t good enough.  Is McD capable of winning with a mediocre or worse roster?  Yes, and probably more so than most coaches, and he proved that his first year here.  But ultimately, he won’t get far either with said roster and to take the next step the GM is equally important to the teams success by building a roster that supports the coaches plan, system, scheme, attitude, etc.  

 

Edited December 11, 2020 by NewEra

[Paulus]

Didn't McDermott get Beane hired?

 

I mean, logically the correct answer is McDermott, easily.

 

Edited December 11, 2020 by Paulus

[longtimebillsfan]

Bad question.  This is a collective effort.  In the NFL you need both an effective GM to assemble the right players for the system implinented by the head coach and a head coach that can get the most out of the players provided. 

 

We would not have the success we are having without the collaboration of Beane and McDermott. 

[Freddie's Dead]

Both.  It's called McBeane for a reason.

2 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

I think what makes their relationship work is I don't think Beane has an ego.  McDermott tells Beane what he needs and Beane understands it....McDermott trusts him.

 

Beane does the homework and McDermott gives the thumbs up or thumbs down.  

 

Terry Pegula is Don Vito.

Sean McDermott is Sonny Corleone.

Brandon Beane is Tom Hagen.  

 

Don and Sonny don't die in this fictional comparison.  

  

 

Belicheat would be Barzini, Gase would be Tattaglia (a pimp), Whaley is Carlo Rizzi.....

[Just Joshin']

1 hour ago, BuffaloBill said:

 

 

Do you like horse heads?

Alot of chain restaurants in Horseheads. 

[Freddie's Dead]

2 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

 

Look how they massacred my boy....  I don't want his mother to see him like this, so I need you to use all you powers....

2 hours ago, The Wiz said:

I thought his name was Brian? 

 

 

At least you didn't go with Sean Beane. 

 

That guy always dies. 

 

 

Edited December 11, 2020 by Freddie's Dead

[dpberr]

My answer:  Whoever hires the assistant coaches and coordinators.  If you hire effective teachers and communicators, good results follow.  That's a key difference between the Beane/McDermott Bills and previous Bills teams - they prioritize those skill sets over Xs and Os. 

 

Coordinators and assistant coaches make or break a team.   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Royale with Cheese]

1 hour ago, WhoTom said:

 

Sonny was an arrogant jerk. McDermott is more like Michael, the smart one, except he won't turn evil in the second half of his career.

 

 

Michael is too calm to be McDermott.  Jessica is probably Michael because she will eventually take over.

[longtimebillsfan]

38 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said:

Both.  It's called McBeane for a reason.

 

Belicheat would be Barzini, Gase would be Tattaglia (a pimp), Whaley is Carlo Rizzi.....

Who is Fredo?

[WhoTom]

2 minutes ago, longtimebillsfan said:

Who is Fredo?

 

Rob Ryan

[BuffaloBill]

35 minutes ago, Just Joshin' said:

Alot of chain restaurants in Horseheads. 

 

 

I’ve often wondered why they named a town Horseheads. Usually, you don’t get locales named after body parts or segments. Although, if this was done it could make life more interesting.... I live in Sphincter, NY etc.

[Freddie's Dead]

2 minutes ago, longtimebillsfan said:

Who is Fredo?

 

I take it back, Whaley is Fredo (stabbed FredEx in the back), and I'll go with the previous poster that made Rex Ryan into Carlo Rizzi....

[4_kidd_4]

Well now I want a cannoli....

[BillsPride12]

I think this is one of those rare instances where the credit can equally be split right down the middle.  And not just because they are both doing a great job but because of the way they work together

[ColoradoBills]

5 hours ago, Beerball said:

Who you got, the HC who made it abundantly clear at his first presser that he was in charge or the GM that he hired?  Whichever way you lean this is a good problem to have.

 

The whole is greater than the sum of it's parts.

[Hot Buffalo Wings]

6 hours ago, wjag said:

I went with Beane.  Caveat, there was no choice for both.  This is like picking your left foot over your right foot.  Football is an enterprise and each performs their function in that enterprise.  

Congrats on your 716th post.

[Chandler#81]

7 hours ago, Ya Digg? said:

Why does one need more credit than the other?  Why isn't both a choice?  Sorry, questions like this bother me because we have this need to feed people's egos.  They both do their jobs really well, that's why the team is having so much success

One doesn’t. OP is a rabble-rouser.

[Gonzonzo]

8 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

I think what makes their relationship work is I don't think Beane has an ego.  McDermott tells Beane what he needs and Beane understands it....McDermott trusts him.

 

Beane does the homework and McDermott gives the thumbs up or thumbs down.  

 

Terry Pegula is Don Vito.

Sean McDermott is Sonny Corleone.

Brandon Beane is Tom Hagen.  

 

Don and Sonny don't die in this fictional comparison.  

  

hahahahaha.

 

So....Josh is Michael Corleone, the Jets are the Sollozo and Bill Bellichick iscap McCluskey (he kills both)?

[Chandler#81]

4 hours ago, BuffaloBill said:

 

 

I’ve often wondered why they named a town Horseheads. Usually, you don’t get locales named after body parts or segments. Although, if this was done it could make life more interesting.... I live in Sphincter, NY etc.

Dansville, eh? Used to be a quaint town..

[EmotionallyUnstable]

Jumping in late here but it’s McDermott. It doesn’t matter what the cook gives you if your recipe is *****. McD has been a winner since day one, regardless of their talent. They have only gotten better since. 
 

It’s impractical to try and solve answer this as they are undoubtedly intermingled in their success. That being said, if I had to choose at the end of the day, McDermott is getting it done in a measurable way that is just not as tangible as Beanes impact on their success 

1 hour ago, Chandler#81 said:

One doesn’t. OP is a rabble-rouser.

Rabble-rouser. Wow. Thank you for this. I’ve just had a flashback of a belt.