BillsFan619 Posted December 11, 2020 Posted December 11, 2020 5 hours ago, Logic said: Expected but YES!!!
BADOLBILZ Posted December 11, 2020 Posted December 11, 2020 9 minutes ago, Bob in STL said: You sure covered every possible reason that he is not perfect. The point differential argument is not relevant. They made it based on well established playoff guidelines and deserve credit. $50M for Star was too much, but we have missed him this year for sure. He is a player that does not make the stat sheet but makes everyone else better. Metcalf - 8 wr’s were drafted ahead of Metcalf. All the GMs missed on him, even the guy who drafted him waited until his 3rd selection ( his 2nd pick in R2j. I have not seen seen a reason to love Ford either but will give him time. Wood/Glenn/Incognito were all good but the right side was not and the depth was 0. Glenn could not stay healthy and was known to be lazy. Ritchie is his own story and he was mentally breaking down (Jags playoff game). Wood was unfortunate with his injury. They kept him for his play and leadership. Not a bad move but it backfired. I don’t think they have reached their peak at all. Most all of the drafted players have more upside. We are still in good shape relative to cap with many easy contract to that can be shedded if necessary. Beane has done a fine job, not perfect, but he sits at the helm of a team on the rise and deserves the contract. I just tell it like it is. And yes he is the GM of a good team and have zero problem with the contract. People act like it's a lifetime contract it's the same thing a new hire would get. He and McD are basically just re-upped. I don't think anyone could argue that they don't deserve another 4-5 years of pay security. I know the more sensitive people get hurt when I point out that they have been so bad against NE and 0-2 with a blown 16 point lead in the playoffs but it's the truth. Many more bridges to cross as Marv would say. I have a fair amount of confidence in McD and BB.........I have a TON of confidence in Josh Allen............ultimately they will go as far as JA takes them.
NewEra Posted December 11, 2020 Posted December 11, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said: 1) Oh hell they "got lucky" right out of the gate............they made the playoffs in 2017 with the worst point differential of any playoff team in 30 years!...........that is the very definition of a statistical outlier........ie 'lucky". 2) As far as getting to Allen..........it actually was a pretty clear path. It was your army fighting it's way to the the capital city and finding it abandoned and undefended kinda' easy. They had traded away a bunch of assets starting in 2017 to accumulate picks with the thought process that they were going to need a ton of picks to move up for a QB in 2018. As it turned out there was very little competition to get there. Teams were not willing to pay much to move up for the likes of Allen, Rosen or Jackson. Beane didn't even have to use the 2018 first round pick that they acquired in the Mahomes pick swap! What they really did exceptionally well was to take the QB with the highest ceiling. Better to swing and miss on a guy like Mahomes, Watson or Allen than someone with physical limitations to overcome like size or arm strength. That's not to be undersold........it used to be that you took the lower ceiling guy if they seemed more game ready. The 2018 Bills didn't fall into that trap they made the right decision on the most important decision this regime will probably ever make. 3) Beane has had a few big misses($50M for Star.....Ford/Metcalf being some very costly ones)........but he has had A LOT of medium and small face-plants which is why they are up against the cap already and haven't had to pay their QB. Things like cutting Quinton Spain right after you just signed him? There's been a lot of quickly wasted dollars as Beane has tried to throw enough options at the wall to hopefully get some that stick. 4) BB's WR judgment was maligned for a reason........his first two WR corps were among the very worst in the NFL and Bills team history.......seriously check out the WR corps from the Bills 2-14 teams versus Beane's choices. And meanwhile the former Bills WR's McBeane passed on were making noise on the field elsewhere. He totally whiffed on AJ Brown, DK Metcalf and Terry McLaurin in favor of Cody Ford in the 2018 draft and subsequently they now have a WR corps that is fronted by 3 free agents eating up over $30M in cap space and no TE's. That's not genius that's paying the market rate in free agency and trade to correct mistakes. Hopefully Gabe Davis is the start of Beane drafting good WR's. 5) Beane absolutely did not inherit one of the worst OL in league history..........he inherited an excellent group..........they had literally lead the NFL in rushing for the previous two seasons! Wood, Incognito, Glenn........excellent players. Unfortunately they hired an OC with an inflexible plan and then Beane foolishly extended the 31 year old Wood(who was going nowhere) a season ahead of his free agency in an attempt to get him to help pimp the process for McD. That ended up costing them a lot of cap space when Wood retired after the season. And then they strangely nickeled and dimed Incognito for some reason and he quit. Glenn was traded and he then signed some bad OL to replace all of those guys. He CREATED a horrendous OL for 2018. He's done an excellent job since but this is another example of his totally botching his first crack at something. 6) They literally pay more for DL talent than any team in the entire league so excellence is expected.......and they are getting that excellent play of late. I haven't been as critical of the 2020 DL as many. As an advocate for them sticking with more athletic DT's than continuing to throw good money at bad like they did with Star..........it's just another instance where I'm looking mighty right. 7) Bottom line is that they are at a point now where they SHOULD be at their peak as a roster.........cheap QB.......they've spent basically all of their painfully accumulated wad of cap space in free agency..........haven't *had* to make any money choices on any of their own draft picks yet in free agency(they signed Tre and Dawkins early).........and they've managed to assemble a very good roster........but it's not an overwhelming array of talent(and it could have been with less basic mistakes like drafting to patch holes in the 2018 draft etc.). After this season they need to start getting A LOT more efficient with personnel decisions..........and since they have winning and a franchise QB on their side they should be able to bargain shop a lot more efficiently than in the past. Courtesy of luck and actually having the balls to be the guys that took the quarterback they have bought themselves a bunch of time to learn from mistakes. I understand that my blunt assessment seems critical but the reality is that most GM's are hit and miss and it's like a DREAM COME TRUE to have these things fall into place despite that. They've actually crossed many of the barriers to success with little resistance. But where the rubber meets the road is beating Belichick and winning in the playoffs(and a SB). They are 1-8 in their first 9 high leverage opportunities so far........but they have the QB to turn that around. You never disappoint. This is epic. Thank you Edited December 11, 2020 by NewEra 4 3 4 1
foreboding Posted December 11, 2020 Posted December 11, 2020 5 hours ago, Logic said: Before this season started, I had five wishes: 1. Extend Tre'Davious White 2. Extend Dion Dawkins 3. Extend McDermott and Beane. 4. Josh Allen proves to be a franchise QB 5. Bills win the division So far, we have a big check mark next to four out of five. Only one left to go! You might want to start adding to your (this year's) wish list! 1
VW82 Posted December 11, 2020 Posted December 11, 2020 Well deserved. It's hard to know what's more exciting, our present or our future.
ColoradoBills Posted December 11, 2020 Posted December 11, 2020 26 minutes ago, NewEra said: You never disappoint. This is epic. Thank you His anger over Beane's extension is so sweet. 3
Doc Posted December 11, 2020 Posted December 11, 2020 5 minutes ago, VW82 said: Well deserved. It's hard to know what's more exciting, our present or our future. Yup. Knowing the team is staying in Buffalo for at least my lifetime is nice. And if Josh can play for another 10-15 years... 1
VW82 Posted December 11, 2020 Posted December 11, 2020 4 minutes ago, Doc said: Yup. Knowing the team is staying in Buffalo for at least my lifetime is nice. And if Josh can play for another 10-15 years... Josh, McD, and Beane are all young. All three might be here for 10-15 years. 😃 3
Scott7975 Posted December 11, 2020 Posted December 11, 2020 2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: 1) Oh hell they "got lucky" right out of the gate............they made the playoffs in 2017 with the worst point differential of any playoff team in 30 years!...........that is the very definition of a statistical outlier........ie 'lucky". 2) As far as getting to Allen..........it actually was a pretty clear path. It was your army fighting it's way to the the capital city and finding it abandoned and undefended kinda' easy. They had traded away a bunch of assets starting in 2017 to accumulate picks with the thought process that they were going to need a ton of picks to move up for a QB in 2018. As it turned out there was very little competition to get there. Teams were not willing to pay much to move up for the likes of Allen, Rosen or Jackson. Beane didn't even have to use the 2018 first round pick that they acquired in the Mahomes pick swap! What they really did exceptionally well was to take the QB with the highest ceiling. Better to swing and miss on a guy like Mahomes, Watson or Allen than someone with physical limitations to overcome like size or arm strength. That's not to be undersold........it used to be that you took the lower ceiling guy if they seemed more game ready. The 2018 Bills didn't fall into that trap they made the right decision on the most important decision this regime will probably ever make. 3) Beane has had a few big misses($50M for Star.....Ford/Metcalf being some very costly ones)........but he has had A LOT of medium and small face-plants which is why they are up against the cap already and haven't had to pay their QB. Things like cutting Quinton Spain right after you just signed him? There's been a lot of quickly wasted dollars as Beane has tried to throw enough options at the wall to hopefully get some that stick. 4) BB's WR judgment was maligned for a reason........his first two WR corps were among the very worst in the NFL and Bills team history.......seriously check out the WR corps from the Bills 2-14 teams versus Beane's choices. And meanwhile the former Bills WR's McBeane passed on were making noise on the field elsewhere. He totally whiffed on AJ Brown, DK Metcalf and Terry McLaurin in favor of Cody Ford in the 2018 draft and subsequently they now have a WR corps that is fronted by 3 free agents eating up over $30M in cap space and no TE's. That's not genius that's paying the market rate in free agency and trade to correct mistakes. Hopefully Gabe Davis is the start of Beane drafting good WR's. 5) Beane absolutely did not inherit one of the worst OL in league history..........he inherited an excellent group..........they had literally lead the NFL in rushing for the previous two seasons! Wood, Incognito, Glenn........excellent players. Unfortunately they hired an OC with an inflexible plan and then Beane foolishly extended the 31 year old Wood(who was going nowhere) a season ahead of his free agency in an attempt to get him to help pimp the process for McD. That ended up costing them a lot of cap space when Wood retired after the season. And then they strangely nickeled and dimed Incognito for some reason and he quit. Glenn was traded and he then signed some bad OL to replace all of those guys. He CREATED a horrendous OL for 2018. He's done an excellent job since but this is another example of his totally botching his first crack at something. 6) They literally pay more for DL talent than any team in the entire league so excellence is expected.......and they are getting that excellent play of late. I haven't been as critical of the 2020 DL as many. As an advocate for them sticking with more athletic DT's than continuing to throw good money at bad like they did with Star..........it's just another instance where I'm looking mighty right. 7) Bottom line is that they are at a point now where they SHOULD be at their peak as a roster.........cheap QB.......they've spent basically all of their painfully accumulated wad of cap space in free agency..........haven't *had* to make any money choices on any of their own draft picks yet in free agency(they signed Tre and Dawkins early).........and they've managed to assemble a very good roster........but it's not an overwhelming array of talent(and it could have been with less basic mistakes like drafting to patch holes in the 2018 draft etc.). After this season they need to start getting A LOT more efficient with personnel decisions..........and since they have winning and a franchise QB on their side they should be able to bargain shop a lot more efficiently than in the past. Courtesy of luck and actually having the balls to be the guys that took the quarterback they have bought themselves a bunch of time to learn from mistakes. I understand that my blunt assessment seems critical but the reality is that most GM's are hit and miss and it's like a DREAM COME TRUE to have these things fall into place despite that. They've actually crossed many of the barriers to success with little resistance. But where the rubber meets the road is beating Belichick and winning in the playoffs(and a SB). They are 1-8 in their first 9 high leverage opportunities so far........but they have the QB to turn that around. Still salty over Doug Whaley? He sucked. Get over it. 2
Solomon Grundy Posted December 11, 2020 Posted December 11, 2020 Okay Mr. Beane, let's see you work your magic in this year's draft. There's some players in this draft that can make an immediate impact on the roster. You all know how I've been banging the drum for Nick Bolton to pair with Tremaine Edmunds. If not Bolton, I'll settle for Zavan Collins. I also think having Shaun Wade at CB2 will solidify the secondary. At TE, Charlie Kolar with his 6'6" frame and catch radius can be Josh Allen's version of Jason Witten. For my last wish Mr. Beane, please get us Jaret Patterson. This kid is special. I haven't seen a player with contact balance like his since Emmitt Smith.
MJS Posted December 11, 2020 Posted December 11, 2020 3 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: 1) Oh hell they "got lucky" right out of the gate............they made the playoffs in 2017 with the worst point differential of any playoff team in 30 years!...........that is the very definition of a statistical outlier........ie 'lucky". 2) As far as getting to Allen..........it actually was a pretty clear path. It was your army fighting it's way to the the capital city and finding it abandoned and undefended kinda' easy. They had traded away a bunch of assets starting in 2017 to accumulate picks with the thought process that they were going to need a ton of picks to move up for a QB in 2018. As it turned out there was very little competition to get there. Teams were not willing to pay much to move up for the likes of Allen, Rosen or Jackson. Beane didn't even have to use the 2018 first round pick that they acquired in the Mahomes pick swap! What they really did exceptionally well was to take the QB with the highest ceiling. Better to swing and miss on a guy like Mahomes, Watson or Allen than someone with physical limitations to overcome like size or arm strength. That's not to be undersold........it used to be that you took the lower ceiling guy if they seemed more game ready. The 2018 Bills didn't fall into that trap they made the right decision on the most important decision this regime will probably ever make. 3) Beane has had a few big misses($50M for Star.....Ford/Metcalf being some very costly ones)........but he has had A LOT of medium and small face-plants which is why they are up against the cap already and haven't had to pay their QB. Things like cutting Quinton Spain right after you just signed him? There's been a lot of quickly wasted dollars as Beane has tried to throw enough options at the wall to hopefully get some that stick. 4) BB's WR judgment was maligned for a reason........his first two WR corps were among the very worst in the NFL and Bills team history.......seriously check out the WR corps from the Bills 2-14 teams versus Beane's choices. And meanwhile the former Bills WR's McBeane passed on were making noise on the field elsewhere. He totally whiffed on AJ Brown, DK Metcalf and Terry McLaurin in favor of Cody Ford in the 2018 draft and subsequently they now have a WR corps that is fronted by 3 free agents eating up over $30M in cap space and no TE's. That's not genius that's paying the market rate in free agency and trade to correct mistakes. Hopefully Gabe Davis is the start of Beane drafting good WR's. 5) Beane absolutely did not inherit one of the worst OL in league history..........he inherited an excellent group..........they had literally lead the NFL in rushing for the previous two seasons! Wood, Incognito, Glenn........excellent players. Unfortunately they hired an OC with an inflexible plan and then Beane foolishly extended the 31 year old Wood(who was going nowhere) a season ahead of his free agency in an attempt to get him to help pimp the process for McD. That ended up costing them a lot of cap space when Wood retired after the season. And then they strangely nickeled and dimed Incognito for some reason and he quit. Glenn was traded and he then signed some bad OL to replace all of those guys. He CREATED a horrendous OL for 2018. He's done an excellent job since but this is another example of his totally botching his first crack at something. 6) They literally pay more for DL talent than any team in the entire league so excellence is expected.......and they are getting that excellent play of late. I haven't been as critical of the 2020 DL as many. As an advocate for them sticking with more athletic DT's than continuing to throw good money at bad like they did with Star..........it's just another instance where I'm looking mighty right. 7) Bottom line is that they are at a point now where they SHOULD be at their peak as a roster.........cheap QB.......they've spent basically all of their painfully accumulated wad of cap space in free agency..........haven't *had* to make any money choices on any of their own draft picks yet in free agency(they signed Tre and Dawkins early).........and they've managed to assemble a very good roster........but it's not an overwhelming array of talent(and it could have been with less basic mistakes like drafting to patch holes in the 2018 draft etc.). After this season they need to start getting A LOT more efficient with personnel decisions..........and since they have winning and a franchise QB on their side they should be able to bargain shop a lot more efficiently than in the past. Courtesy of luck and actually having the balls to be the guys that took the quarterback they have bought themselves a bunch of time to learn from mistakes. I understand that my blunt assessment seems critical but the reality is that most GM's are hit and miss and it's like a DREAM COME TRUE to have these things fall into place despite that. They've actually crossed many of the barriers to success with little resistance. But where the rubber meets the road is beating Belichick and winning in the playoffs(and a SB). They are 1-8 in their first 9 high leverage opportunities so far........but they have the QB to turn that around. How do you live like this? The Bills are the best they have been in decades and you are critical of the men who built the team. 2 1
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted December 11, 2020 Posted December 11, 2020 4 minutes ago, MJS said: How do you live like this? The Bills are the best they have been in decades and you are critical of the men who built the team. I'm happy how they built the team. Very happy .
ColoradoBills Posted December 11, 2020 Posted December 11, 2020 3 minutes ago, stevewin said: Does this mean he's not on the hotseat? Nope, he's in a warm comfortable chair.
PrimeTime101 Posted December 11, 2020 Posted December 11, 2020 1 hour ago, VW82 said: Well deserved. It's hard to know what's more exciting, our present or our future. Both but I would say more future. This team is being build the right way but still has a hand full of holes need fixing. The future is bright and I think Josh will get us to a SB. 1
The Wiz Posted December 11, 2020 Posted December 11, 2020 19 minutes ago, MJS said: How do you live like this? The Bills are the best they have been in decades and you are critical of the men who built the team. Some people can't have nice things.
BADOLBILZ Posted December 11, 2020 Posted December 11, 2020 12 minutes ago, MJS said: How do you live like this? The Bills are the best they have been in decades and you are critical of the men who built the team. “Life is a comedy to those who think and a tragedy for those who feel.” ― Horace Walpole What I like most about McBeane is that they don't have the kind of mentality that thinks "hey we are the best this organization has been in decades, what's the problem?".😄
Alphadawg7 Posted December 11, 2020 Posted December 11, 2020 So well deserved, easily one of the top GMs in the league and one of the best coaching and GM pairings in the league. 1
Aussie Joe Posted December 11, 2020 Posted December 11, 2020 2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: I know the more sensitive people get hurt when I point out that they have been so bad against NE and 0-2 with a blown 16 point lead in the playoffs but it's the truth. Hope this doesnt come across as too sensitive but curious to know what Beane did wrong to give up the 16 point lead? Did he drop any passes or give up the 3rd and forever ?
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