The Wiz Posted December 11, 2020 Posted December 11, 2020 5 minutes ago, Victory Formation said: Can @Sherlock Holmes sit in the corner and watch? As long as he's holding the camcorder while he sits there.
ToGoGo Posted December 11, 2020 Posted December 11, 2020 This explains why he looked a little nervous to me at the game Monday night. He wasn't his "I got this shiz" self. Great move. Beane truly is a wizard. As someone who is in business, I am awed by those at the top that can share a vision strongly and stick by it. Usually egos get involved, but not here. They knew exactly what they wanted and they've gone through with it. They are always willing to make the right sacrifice. 1
Chandler#81 Posted December 11, 2020 Posted December 11, 2020 47 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: He got the QB position right. That's 95% of his job. No matter if he overspends on average or even below average free agents, he deserves the extension for maneuvering and drafting Allen. He’s (& his impressive staff) improved significantly in Drafting as well. Adding 3 keepers via the Draft does wonders with a high end QB salary. 1
HappyDays Posted December 11, 2020 Posted December 11, 2020 I think of the McDermott/Beane/Allen trifecta Beane is probably the weakest of the three. But he works well with McDermott, brings stability, and knows how to maneuver the salary cap. I wish he was better at drafting but he's been good enough to earn the extension.
mannc Posted December 11, 2020 Posted December 11, 2020 That’s what happens when you hit on a franchise QB...Josh Allen has made the entire organization look good.
loveorhatembillsfan4life Posted December 11, 2020 Posted December 11, 2020 Great for stability! Congrats Brandon, our next task is working our roster to take down Mahomes.
3rdand12 Posted December 11, 2020 Posted December 11, 2020 3 hours ago, BillsCuse said: Isn't it great to not have to worry about a coach, GM and QB finally! oh i still worry. But now I have strength of faith in The Process. Thanks Kim and Terry GoBills!
BADOLBILZ Posted December 11, 2020 Posted December 11, 2020 3 minutes ago, NewEra said: Before they “got lucky” with allen, they broke an almost 2 decade streak of not making the playoffs in their first year. To get allen, he didn’t just fall into our laps. Beane had to make it happen. He had to “not give up too much” according to some. He didn’t. He traded up 15 spots to get to 7 to get the qb that he wanted...without giving up our 2nd 1st rd pick AND kept the following years first. Slick. Pretty incredible job parlaying Tyrod Taylor into what was essentially a 2nd rd pick. Gaining 11 draft slots for current journeyman Cordy Glenn...., genius. He misses on some small stuff but he’s hit home runs. He missed on Benjamin, and was maligned for not having an eye for WR talent. 2 years later we have one of the best WR units in the league. Four very good WRs. That’s not counting Mckenzie, who was a shrewd waiver addition. Lil Dirty is a very underrated piece in this offense. As a decoy, he’s effective. When he gets the ball, he’s effective. He inherited one of the worst OL ls in league history. In 2 years since, he’s put together a dominant pass blocking OL for a heavy passing offense. Our run D that was last in the league has improved and the DL that was being hated on early, has been making plays and earning their money. A tad overpaid? Yeah, I’d agree with that, but they have been performing admirably in recent weeks. The DL needed the coaching staff to use them properly. They needed to be more aggressive. McD did just that. My boy Aj Klein was a huge miss and Beane was getting smeared for his addition in the first half of the season. The signing is actually starting to look like a good investment. Afc Dpow? Sheesh. How about our special teams? Andre Robert’s....one of the best in the league. He stole Bojo from Belichick. Bass is looking like a stud. Our STs is top tier. He hasn’t hit a home run with our running backs or tight end.....yet. Knox still has a chance. I think the best is yet to come from motor and Moss. This is one of the best rosters in football and has maybe the most polarizing qb in history. They are way better than lucky. 1) Oh hell they "got lucky" right out of the gate............they made the playoffs in 2017 with the worst point differential of any playoff team in 30 years!...........that is the very definition of a statistical outlier........ie 'lucky". 2) As far as getting to Allen..........it actually was a pretty clear path. It was your army fighting it's way to the the capital city and finding it abandoned and undefended kinda' easy. They had traded away a bunch of assets starting in 2017 to accumulate picks with the thought process that they were going to need a ton of picks to move up for a QB in 2018. As it turned out there was very little competition to get there. Teams were not willing to pay much to move up for the likes of Allen, Rosen or Jackson. Beane didn't even have to use the 2018 first round pick that they acquired in the Mahomes pick swap! What they really did exceptionally well was to take the QB with the highest ceiling. Better to swing and miss on a guy like Mahomes, Watson or Allen than someone with physical limitations to overcome like size or arm strength. That's not to be undersold........it used to be that you took the lower ceiling guy if they seemed more game ready. The 2018 Bills didn't fall into that trap they made the right decision on the most important decision this regime will probably ever make. 3) Beane has had a few big misses($50M for Star.....Ford/Metcalf being some very costly ones)........but he has had A LOT of medium and small face-plants which is why they are up against the cap already and haven't had to pay their QB. Things like cutting Quinton Spain right after you just signed him? There's been a lot of quickly wasted dollars as Beane has tried to throw enough options at the wall to hopefully get some that stick. 4) BB's WR judgment was maligned for a reason........his first two WR corps were among the very worst in the NFL and Bills team history.......seriously check out the WR corps from the Bills 2-14 teams versus Beane's choices. And meanwhile the former Bills WR's McBeane passed on were making noise on the field elsewhere. He totally whiffed on AJ Brown, DK Metcalf and Terry McLaurin in favor of Cody Ford in the 2018 draft and subsequently they now have a WR corps that is fronted by 3 free agents eating up over $30M in cap space and no TE's. That's not genius that's paying the market rate in free agency and trade to correct mistakes. Hopefully Gabe Davis is the start of Beane drafting good WR's. 5) Beane absolutely did not inherit one of the worst OL in league history..........he inherited an excellent group..........they had literally lead the NFL in rushing for the previous two seasons! Wood, Incognito, Glenn........excellent players. Unfortunately they hired an OC with an inflexible plan and then Beane foolishly extended the 31 year old Wood(who was going nowhere) a season ahead of his free agency in an attempt to get him to help pimp the process for McD. That ended up costing them a lot of cap space when Wood retired after the season. And then they strangely nickeled and dimed Incognito for some reason and he quit. Glenn was traded and he then signed some bad OL to replace all of those guys. He CREATED a horrendous OL for 2018. He's done an excellent job since but this is another example of his totally botching his first crack at something. 6) They literally pay more for DL talent than any team in the entire league so excellence is expected.......and they are getting that excellent play of late. I haven't been as critical of the 2020 DL as many. As an advocate for them sticking with more athletic DT's than continuing to throw good money at bad like they did with Star..........it's just another instance where I'm looking mighty right. 7) Bottom line is that they are at a point now where they SHOULD be at their peak as a roster.........cheap QB.......they've spent basically all of their painfully accumulated wad of cap space in free agency..........haven't *had* to make any money choices on any of their own draft picks yet in free agency(they signed Tre and Dawkins early).........and they've managed to assemble a very good roster........but it's not an overwhelming array of talent(and it could have been with less basic mistakes like drafting to patch holes in the 2018 draft etc.). After this season they need to start getting A LOT more efficient with personnel decisions..........and since they have winning and a franchise QB on their side they should be able to bargain shop a lot more efficiently than in the past. Courtesy of luck and actually having the balls to be the guys that took the quarterback they have bought themselves a bunch of time to learn from mistakes. I understand that my blunt assessment seems critical but the reality is that most GM's are hit and miss and it's like a DREAM COME TRUE to have these things fall into place despite that. They've actually crossed many of the barriers to success with little resistance. But where the rubber meets the road is beating Belichick and winning in the playoffs(and a SB). They are 1-8 in their first 9 high leverage opportunities so far........but they have the QB to turn that around. 2 1 3 1
Whkfc Posted December 11, 2020 Posted December 11, 2020 33 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I think of the McDermott/Beane/Allen trifecta Beane is probably the weakest of the three. But he works well with McDermott, brings stability, and knows how to maneuver the salary cap. I wish he was better at drafting but he's been good enough to earn the extension. How is his not superb? They have pretty much hit on every high pick and have consistently found starters and contributors in rounds 3-7 and in udfa.
hondo in seattle Posted December 11, 2020 Posted December 11, 2020 Beane has missed - bigly - on some draft picks and FA signings. All GMs do. But the roster now is appreciably better now than it was when Whaley was here. I personally feel a sense of optimism - for this and future years - that I never felt during the Whaley-Rex years. So I'm grateful for Beane and glad to learn the Pegulas extended him. 1
Just Joshin' Posted December 11, 2020 Posted December 11, 2020 Well deserved. He collects talent in the front office and is not scared by bringing in good people. A key leadership skill.
SCBills Posted December 11, 2020 Posted December 11, 2020 57 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: 1) Oh hell they "got lucky" right out of the gate............they made the playoffs in 2017 with the worst point differential of any playoff team in 30 years!...........that is the very definition of a statistical outlier........ie 'lucky". 2) As far as getting to Allen..........it actually was a pretty clear path. It was your army fighting it's way to the the capital city and finding it abandoned and undefended kinda' easy. They had traded away a bunch of assets starting in 2017 to accumulate picks with the thought process that they were going to need a ton of picks to move up for a QB in 2018. As it turned out there was very little competition to get there. Teams were not willing to pay much to move up for the likes of Allen, Rosen or Jackson. Beane didn't even have to use the 2018 first round pick that they acquired in the Mahomes pick swap! What they really did exceptionally well was to take the QB with the highest ceiling. Better to swing and miss on a guy like Mahomes, Watson or Allen than someone with physical limitations to overcome like size or arm strength. That's not to be undersold........it used to be that you took the lower ceiling guy if they seemed more game ready. The 2018 Bills didn't fall into that trap they made the right decision on the most important decision this regime will probably ever make. 3) Beane has had a few big misses($50M for Star.....Ford/Metcalf being some very costly ones)........but he has had A LOT of medium and small face-plants which is why they are up against the cap already and haven't had to pay their QB. Things like cutting Quinton Spain right after you just signed him? There's been a lot of quickly wasted dollars as Beane has tried to throw enough options at the wall to hopefully get some that stick. 4) BB's WR judgment was maligned for a reason........his first two WR corps were among the very worst in the NFL and Bills team history.......seriously check out the WR corps from the Bills 2-14 teams versus Beane's choices. And meanwhile the former Bills WR's McBeane passed on were making noise on the field elsewhere. He totally whiffed on AJ Brown, DK Metcalf and Terry McLaurin in favor of Cody Ford in the 2018 draft and subsequently they now have a WR corps that is fronted by 3 free agents eating up over $30M in cap space and no TE's. That's not genius that's paying the market rate in free agency and trade to correct mistakes. Hopefully Gabe Davis is the start of Beane drafting good WR's. 5) Beane absolutely did not inherit one of the worst OL in league history..........he inherited an excellent group..........they had literally lead the NFL in rushing for the previous two seasons! Wood, Incognito, Glenn........excellent players. Unfortunately they hired an OC with an inflexible plan and then Beane foolishly extended the 31 year old Wood(who was going nowhere) a season ahead of his free agency in an attempt to get him to help pimp the process for McD. That ended up costing them a lot of cap space when Wood retired after the season. And then they strangely nickeled and dimed Incognito for some reason and he quit. Glenn was traded and he then signed some bad OL to replace all of those guys. He CREATED a horrendous OL for 2018. He's done an excellent job since but this is another example of his totally botching his first crack at something. 6) They literally pay more for DL talent than any team in the entire league so excellence is expected.......and they are getting that excellent play of late. I haven't been as critical of the 2020 DL as many. As an advocate for them sticking with more athletic DT's than continuing to throw good money at bad like they did with Star..........it's just another instance where I'm looking mighty right. 7) Bottom line is that they are at a point now where they SHOULD be at their peak as a roster.........cheap QB.......they've spent basically all of their painfully accumulated wad of cap space in free agency..........haven't *had* to make any money choices on any of their own draft picks yet in free agency(they signed Tre and Dawkins early).........and they've managed to assemble a very good roster........but it's not an overwhelming array of talent(and it could have been with less basic mistakes like drafting to patch holes in the 2018 draft etc.). After this season they need to start getting A LOT more efficient with personnel decisions..........and since they have winning and a franchise QB on their side they should be able to bargain shop a lot more efficiently than in the past. Courtesy of luck and actually having the balls to be the guys that took the quarterback they have bought themselves a bunch of time to learn from mistakes. I understand that my blunt assessment seems critical but the reality is that most GM's are hit and miss and it's like a DREAM COME TRUE to have these things fall into place despite that. They've actually crossed many of the barriers to success with little resistance. But where the rubber meets the road is beating Belichick and winning in the playoffs(and a SB). They are 1-8 in their first 9 high leverage opportunities so far........but they have the QB to turn that around. You’re desperately trying to cling to every misstep and its bizarre. Bills have a Top 5 WR Unit yet Wide Receivers are somehow the main crux of your entire 7 point assessment. Bills have a good OL, “but he botched his first crack at it”.... Ok? I don’t really care what he did 2-3 years ago if the problem is now a strength. You then claim he hasn’t made any tough cap decisions yet, except he has... Let both Shaq and Phillips walk, then replaced him with 3 veteran DL who all have outs in their contract and expire before any Josh Allen deal kicks in. 2 5
beer Posted December 11, 2020 Posted December 11, 2020 First time I can remember actually being excited we resigned a GM. What an amazing job by Beane. So confident in this HC / GM combo !
Bob in STL Posted December 11, 2020 Posted December 11, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said: 1) Oh hell they "got lucky" right out of the gate............they made the playoffs in 2017 with the worst point differential of any playoff team in 30 years!...........that is the very definition of a statistical outlier........ie 'lucky". 2) As far as getting to Allen..........it actually was a pretty clear path. It was your army fighting it's way to the the capital city and finding it abandoned and undefended kinda' easy. They had traded away a bunch of assets starting in 2017 to accumulate picks with the thought process that they were going to need a ton of picks to move up for a QB in 2018. As it turned out there was very little competition to get there. Teams were not willing to pay much to move up for the likes of Allen, Rosen or Jackson. Beane didn't even have to use the 2018 first round pick that they acquired in the Mahomes pick swap! What they really did exceptionally well was to take the QB with the highest ceiling. Better to swing and miss on a guy like Mahomes, Watson or Allen than someone with physical limitations to overcome like size or arm strength. That's not to be undersold........it used to be that you took the lower ceiling guy if they seemed more game ready. The 2018 Bills didn't fall into that trap they made the right decision on the most important decision this regime will probably ever make. 3) Beane has had a few big misses($50M for Star.....Ford/Metcalf being some very costly ones)........but he has had A LOT of medium and small face-plants which is why they are up against the cap already and haven't had to pay their QB. Things like cutting Quinton Spain right after you just signed him? There's been a lot of quickly wasted dollars as Beane has tried to throw enough options at the wall to hopefully get some that stick. 4) BB's WR judgment was maligned for a reason........his first two WR corps were among the very worst in the NFL and Bills team history.......seriously check out the WR corps from the Bills 2-14 teams versus Beane's choices. And meanwhile the former Bills WR's McBeane passed on were making noise on the field elsewhere. He totally whiffed on AJ Brown, DK Metcalf and Terry McLaurin in favor of Cody Ford in the 2018 draft and subsequently they now have a WR corps that is fronted by 3 free agents eating up over $30M in cap space and no TE's. That's not genius that's paying the market rate in free agency and trade to correct mistakes. Hopefully Gabe Davis is the start of Beane drafting good WR's. 5) Beane absolutely did not inherit one of the worst OL in league history..........he inherited an excellent group..........they had literally lead the NFL in rushing for the previous two seasons! Wood, Incognito, Glenn........excellent players. Unfortunately they hired an OC with an inflexible plan and then Beane foolishly extended the 31 year old Wood(who was going nowhere) a season ahead of his free agency in an attempt to get him to help pimp the process for McD. That ended up costing them a lot of cap space when Wood retired after the season. And then they strangely nickeled and dimed Incognito for some reason and he quit. Glenn was traded and he then signed some bad OL to replace all of those guys. He CREATED a horrendous OL for 2018. He's done an excellent job since but this is another example of his totally botching his first crack at something. 6) They literally pay more for DL talent than any team in the entire league so excellence is expected.......and they are getting that excellent play of late. I haven't been as critical of the 2020 DL as many. As an advocate for them sticking with more athletic DT's than continuing to throw good money at bad like they did with Star..........it's just another instance where I'm looking mighty right. 7) Bottom line is that they are at a point now where they SHOULD be at their peak as a roster.........cheap QB.......they've spent basically all of their painfully accumulated wad of cap space in free agency..........haven't *had* to make any money choices on any of their own draft picks yet in free agency(they signed Tre and Dawkins early).........and they've managed to assemble a very good roster........but it's not an overwhelming array of talent(and it could have been with less basic mistakes like drafting to patch holes in the 2018 draft etc.). After this season they need to start getting A LOT more efficient with personnel decisions..........and since they have winning and a franchise QB on their side they should be able to bargain shop a lot more efficiently than in the past. Courtesy of luck and actually having the balls to be the guys that took the quarterback they have bought themselves a bunch of time to learn from mistakes. I understand that my blunt assessment seems critical but the reality is that most GM's are hit and miss and it's like a DREAM COME TRUE to have these things fall into place despite that. They've actually crossed many of the barriers to success with little resistance. But where the rubber meets the road is beating Belichick and winning in the playoffs(and a SB). They are 1-8 in their first 9 high leverage opportunities so far........but they have the QB to turn that around. You sure covered every possible reason that he is not perfect. The point differential argument is not relevant. They made it based on well established playoff guidelines and deserve credit. $50M for Star was too much, but we have missed him this year for sure. He is a player that does not make the stat sheet but makes everyone else better. Metcalf - 8 wr’s were drafted ahead of Metcalf. All the GMs missed on him, even the guy who drafted him waited until his 3rd selection ( his 2nd pick in R2j. I have not seen seen a reason to love Ford either but will give him time. Wood/Glenn/Incognito were all good but the right side was not and the depth was 0. Glenn could not stay healthy and was known to be lazy. Ritchie is his own story and he was mentally breaking down (Jags playoff game). Wood was unfortunate with his injury. They kept him for his play and leadership. Not a bad move but it backfired. I don’t think they have reached their peak at all. Most all of the drafted players have more upside. We are still in good shape relative to cap with many easy to shed contracts if necessary. Beane has done a fine job, not perfect, but he sits at the helm of a team on the rise and deserves the contract. Edited December 11, 2020 by Bob in STL 2
BADOLBILZ Posted December 11, 2020 Posted December 11, 2020 15 minutes ago, SCBills said: You’re desperately trying to cling to every misstep and its bizarre. Bills have a Top 5 WR Unit yet Wide Receivers are somehow the main crux of your entire 7 point assessment. Bills have a good OL, “but he botched his first crack at it”.... Ok? I don’t really care what he did 2-3 years ago if the problem is now a strength. You then claim he hasn’t made any tough cap decisions yet, except he has... Let both Shaq and Phillips walk, then replaced him with 3 veteran DL who all have outs in their contract and expire before any Josh Allen deal kicks in. 1) It's not a 7 point assessment.........it's responses to 7 points the OP made.......and how you determined WR's were the crux of it I have no idea. 2) If you don't care about what it took to get to where they are then why are you on a message board debating it? Just jump on the bandwagon and enjoy if you aren't interested in how the sausage gets made. It's a choice. 3) I didn't say they didn't have to make any tough cap decisions.........they were just in a one-time sweet spot last offseason with over $80M to spend and still none of their draft picks had yet accrued enough time to reach free agency. That's the ideal window to maximize the strength your overall roster.
aceman_16 Posted December 11, 2020 Posted December 11, 2020 5 hours ago, aristocrat said: I thought the pegulas were broke? Guess not. Great work let’s start a run of super bowls I "heard" they cashed in some matured EE bonds. 1
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