Could John Brown be Released Next Off-Season?

[JoshAllenReceipts]

6 minutes ago, In Summary said:

I don't see Davis as a direct replacement for Brown.  Lose Brown and replace his speed with ...? 

 

Will Fuller.

 

I talked about this in another thread.

 

The Bills need to cut John Brown and sign Will Fuller as an upgrade.

 

Fuller on 2021 Bills = 40 points per game on Offense.

Edited December 10, 2020 by JoshAllenReceipts

[Rc2catch]

I don’t think he’s safe that’s for sure, I like the guy but from a business standpoint his deal was always an easy out after two seasons. It doesn’t help him they drafted two receivers and one is looking impressive. I could 100% see them moving on and putting that money elsewhere. Offensive line and I’m guessing we’ll be releasing some of the defensive line which will need to be replaced. 

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

3 hours ago, Weatherman said:

If I was a gambling man, Butler and Jefferson will not be on the roster next year.  Not impressed with either especially at their salary.  We need a pass rush desperately.  

If they don’t agree to massive pay cuts I would release them, but then you have to find replacements and you have about 4mil in dead cap. 
 

 As for pass rush it’s looking like a good year for pass rushers in the late first or second rounds of the draft. Usually the good DE pass rush prospects are gone by then, but the early mocks have other positions going early this year. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

6 hours ago, Halloween Land said:

Looking at his 2021 salary from Spotrac.com, releasing Brown would save $8.15 million from the cap and only $1.6 million in dead cap. He is a great player to have but with Gabriel Davis playing well and Brown dealing with injuries this year, I can see him being released. What do you guys think? 

WR is starting to become a difficult question.

 

I’m not sure how much better they think Gabe can get. Aside from height he has an immense vertical, average speed hips and shiftiness, playing great for a rookie. But I’m not sure how much he has left to grow. He is credited with 1 drop in 39 targets, that’s pretty impressive for a rook. 
 

Diggs is awesome, inside, outside, slot.. can do it all. 

 

Beasley is a specialist all shake no speed (slot, middle, underneath), Brown is a specialist, all speed no shake (outside, outs, 9 routes comebacks) they are both match up dependent. 
 

one beats the zone inside all day, the other stretches the defense like no one else on the roster can. 
 

im not sure it at some point you need more versatility in each guy to keep the defense guessing.

[John from Riverside]

28 minutes ago, JoshAllenReceipts said:

 

Will Fuller.

 

I talked about this in another thread.

 

The Bills need to cut John Brown and sign Will Fuller as an upgrade.

 

Fuller on 2021 Bills = 40 points per game on Offense.

Doesnt  he get hurt a lot?

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

Think he either restructures fairly significantly as in pay cut or he's gone.  Cut Brown Morse, Butler, and Smith saves $22.1M   Cut Addison could save another $6.25M.  The $22M would allow them to resign Mongo, Milano, & Williamsand some mid range FA signings depending on the actual cap, maybe a legit edge rusher to replace Addison.

 

While they don't use WAR in football directly, thinking about it from that standpoint, IMO justifies cutting Brown and have Davis take his spot and McKenzie Hodgins takes Davis role.

 

To the comments about surrounding Allen with as many weapons, those weapons are Mongo, and Williams.  Think they need them more than Brown.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

31 minutes ago, JoshAllenReceipts said:

 

Will Fuller.

 

I talked about this in another thread.

 

The Bills need to cut John Brown and sign Will Fuller as an upgrade.

 

Fuller on 2021 Bills = 40 points per game on Offense.

How can we be sure he is as effective with out his special go-go juice 

[BillsFan619]

6 hours ago, Halloween Land said:

Looking at his 2021 salary from Spotrac.com, releasing Brown would save $8.15 million from the cap and only $1.6 million in dead cap. He is a great player to have but with Gabriel Davis playing well and Brown dealing with injuries this year, I can see him being released. What do you guys think? 

I’ve thought about this but I definitely hope not!

[Don Otreply]

Why T F would they break up one of the best receivers groups in the league? Release him? No, trade him?  could be..., 
there are plenty of tier two players to let go should it come to a money situation. 

[Orlando Buffalo]

The two big questions to me are: does Brown show up for the playoffs and is Mackenzie ready to be our reciever to take the top off defenses? If brown ends the year with less than 500 yards including playoffs I think he is likely to be gone 

[ColoradoBills]

1 minute ago, Don Otreply said:

Why T F would they break up one of the best receivers groups in the league? Release him? No, trade him?  could be..., 
there are plenty of tier two players to let go should it come to a money situation. 

 

I wouldn't break them up.  Personally my point about a trade was that Brown is way too good to be cut like others were saying.

@Over 29 years of fanhood talked about more versatility to keep defenses guessing.  I would argue that with the remaining season still to

be played next years off season/camp/preseason I think the base core of Diggs, Brown, Beasley and Davis can take the passing game to another level.

 

Having the core play with Allen another year and getting the comfort level up even higher could allow Daboll to get the O to a SB winning level.

 

The question is the 2 FAs (McKenzie and Roberts).  What to do about them?

[Deadstroke]

6 hours ago, JohnNord said:

It’s a possibility but way too early to tell.  A lot depends on the cap, how Brown performs when he returns from injury,how Davis performs at WR 2, and where the Bills end up this postseason

How about the speed factor?  When healthy, Brown is by far the fastest receiver on the roster.

[Mat68]

1 hour ago, In Summary said:

I don't see Davis as a direct replacement for Brown.  Lose Brown and replace his speed with ...? 

You wouldnt replace his speed with Davis.  I think Davis can become a starting outside wr.  Down the field he excelled in college in contested catches over 20 yards. Creates a similar threat down the field just accomplishes it in a differant way.  I think a day 2 or 3 day pick would be need to be added as well for me to think Buffalos offense was more potential.

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

3 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

I wouldn't break them up.  Personally my point about a trade was that Brown is way too good to be cut like others were saying.

@Over 29 years of fanhood talked about more versatility to keep defenses guessing.  I would argue that with the remaining season still to

be played next years off season/camp/preseason I think the base core of Diggs, Brown, Beasley and Davis can take the passing game to another level.

 

Having the core play with Allen another year and getting the comfort level up even higher could allow Daboll to get the O to a SB winning level.

 

The question is the 2 FAs (McKenzie and Roberts).  What to do about them?

Yeah you hit it well here. It’s a really tough evaluation.  Every WR on the roster does at least one thing extremely well.

 

Diggs is probably the guy that does many things well. 
 

I guess the juggling act is do you risk replacing some guys that do one thing really well in the hopes of getting a guy that does multiple things well and can help the team even more? 
 

 

[Mat68]

 

 

 

11 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

I wouldn't break them up.  Personally my point about a trade was that Brown is way too good to be cut like others were saying.

@Over 29 years of fanhood talked about more versatility to keep defenses guessing.  I would argue that with the remaining season still to

be played next years off season/camp/preseason I think the base core of Diggs, Brown, Beasley and Davis can take the passing game to another level.

 

Having the core play with Allen another year and getting the comfort level up even higher could allow Daboll to get the O to a SB winning level.

 

The question is the 2 FAs (McKenzie and Roberts).  What to do about them?

I keep Mckenzie and on the fence with Roberts.  His subtle safe but consistant returns flips the field and helps Buffalo win big in the hidden yards.  I could see him stay or they move on.  With Mckenzie getting more play his yipps in the return game could be behind him.

[colin]

unless he won't play ball AND keeps getting hurt, i think he remains a bill.

 

if he gets back to full health for the playoffs and does john smoke brown things, it's gonna be big.

 

i remember thinking (and then reading other guys say the same thing here) that a top flight WR on our team woulda made the world of difference in the houston playoff game.  well we have that now in Diggs, but the idea was not to upgrade brown, but to upgrade the whole O with a new WR.

[ColoradoBills]

4 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Yeah you hit it well here. It’s a really tough evaluation.  Every WR on the roster does at least one thing extremely well.

 

Diggs is probably the guy that does many things well. 
 

I guess the juggling act is do you risk replacing some guys that do one thing really well in the hopes of getting a guy that does multiple things well and can help the team even more? 
 

 

 

If Daboll stays (which I think he does) you go one more year with what you got.  All these WRs are extremely smart and they could take the playbook

to another level.  At least that's how I see it.  After next year there probably will be a change and it most like will be Brown.

 

3 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

 

 

 

I keep Mckenzie and on the fence with Roberts.  His subtle safe but consistant returns flips the field and helps Buffalo win big in the hidden yards.  I could see him stay or they move on.  With Mckenzie getting more play his yipps in the return game could be behind him.

 

I think it's the biggest question of the off season for the WRs.  They would have to quickly sign who they want to keep because I'm sure some other team

would bring either in.  

 

Good point about McKenzie.  Roberts is playing so well this season too.  Tough choices.

The only other thing I can think of as an option is to find a rookie who could handle both guys roles.  I would leave such names to be given by

posters who know a lot more about college players than I.

[Buff76ers]

6 hours ago, SCBills said:

 

That was true when we were adjusting to life without him, but against a tough Niners Defense, Josh Allen and the Offense were machine-like in their execution without John Brown in the mix.   I think we're just starting to see the explosive ability of Gabriel Davis - He does it in a different way than Brown, but at UCF he was a monster deep threat, and seems to be showing that skill in the NFL already.

 

I don't doubt that we'll be even more lethal with him back, and with the way we throw it around, we need to prioritize having 4 good WR's on the roster every year, but does one of them need to be John Brown next year?... at that cap hit?... I'm not sure...

 

 

Ya I get your point about Davis and he does look the part but man when smoke is in the lineup and Davis is the 4 man that is scary.  Restructure may be the way to go but I wouldn't press any buttons cause we are really not hurting in many areas where we need that money.  

[letsgoteam]

36 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

I wouldn't break them up.  Personally my point about a trade was that Brown is way too good to be cut like others were saying.

@Over 29 years of fanhood talked about more versatility to keep defenses guessing.  I would argue that with the remaining season still to

be played next years off season/camp/preseason I think the base core of Diggs, Brown, Beasley and Davis can take the passing game to another level.

 

Having the core play with Allen another year and getting the comfort level up even higher could allow Daboll to get the O to a SB winning level.

 

The question is the 2 FAs (McKenzie and Roberts).  What to do about them?

You resign them both, solid team cogs that do their job. I mean how much are they going to cost?

[ColoradoBills]

21 minutes ago, letsgoteam said:

You resign them both, solid team cogs that do their job. I mean how much are they going to cost?

 

Good question.  I'm not sure what their agents think they are worth.  I bet they want multiple years contracts going forward.