Stank_Nasty Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said: ... thinking... ...OK, I am comfortable now in saying this. This is no slur to anybody else, but I am more than 50 years old and I have been watching football my entire life. Stefon Diggs is the greatest receiver I have ever seen...at getting open. i'm with you man. after i posed the question i started thinking about the whole NFL..... i may take diggs over ANYONE in that spot. 1
aristocrat Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 How is Jefferson's blocking? He is sure putting up the yards but Diggs is the whole package right now and being a vet has certainly helped Allen understand the game. Cousins as a vet has sure helped Jefferson along with the game where Allen probably couldn't do that. win win trade 1
RochesterLifer Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 20 minutes ago, dma0034 said: They are two different types of receivers but Justin Jefferson is going to be a better WR than Diggs and may already be. Contract is better for 5 year. So I don't really know if it silences the trade skeptics honestly. This is pure bullhockey. When I read ridiculous statements like this, I tend to believe the writer is merely drawing attention to him/herself and not being serious about football thoughts.
dma0034 Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 Jefferson is already very good at running routes (not as good as Diggs). He is better in the Red Zone. He is cheaper and has more potential than Diggs. I'm not saying Diggs is bad by any means I'm not. This is a rare situation where you traded for a top 10 WR and traded away the pick that went towards a WR that will probably will be a top 5 WR in 2 years (he's that talented). Jefferson is going to finish the season with: 80 catches, 1300 yards and 10 TDs. Those are crazy numbers! Only Boldin and Moss will finish with better rookie seasons.
dollars 2 donuts Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: i'm with you man. after i posed the question i started thinking about the whole NFL..... i may take diggs over ANYONE in that spot. Stanky I don't know about your physical skills, but I do know mine and I swear to you that when I watch him on some plays he makes other professionals whose job it is to cover him look like me in trying to do it. It's like slow motion. It's like they are standing still and maybe they have never stepped on a football field before that play. Really. Really it is. For those of you who don't already know what we are talking about, go look at some of the tape. Edited December 9, 2020 by dollars 2 donuts 1
Don Otreply Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 Just now, dma0034 said: In one situation? Yes. Who do you want in the red zone? Who stretches the field? Whose contract would you like? They have the same yardage right now. Jefferson has 3 more TDs and he is a rookie, imagine what he will do in the next few years I never care about contracts, don’t know why fans torture themselves with that nonsense. Fit and performance along with the win loss record is the only currency that matters , every thing else, smh. As to who got the better of the deal, well, look at the two teams records pre and post trade. Go Bills!!! 2
dma0034 Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, RochesterLifer said: This is pure bullhockey. When I read ridiculous statements like this, I tend to believe the writer is merely drawing attention to him/herself and not being serious about football thoughts. Of the 3 major WR stats: Yardage, TDs and catches: Jefferson is ahead of Diggs on two of them
billybrew1 Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 I don't know what Jefferson is doing in Minny, but Diggs is the guy the Bills turn to when they need to get the W. Yes, Beasley too, but Diggs gets us so many important yards to key wins. Diggs and s a clutch difference maker that Josh Allen routinely relies on. Beane wanted to make certain Josh had what he needed to turn into a franchise QB and there is nothing wrong with doing everything you can to ensure your QBs development; it was the smart way to go. Dont take chances with your QB's development.
Kwai San Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 Right player right time. As I am sure JJ would have been a decent fit would he have brought the intangibles to the Bills RIGHT NOW? Nope. Diggs has made the O that much better. Everyone around him has improved due to his presence. Call me crazy but I just don't see a rook bring that to the table....not year 1, not year 2. 2
Don Otreply Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 Just now, dma0034 said: Of the 3 major WR stats: Yardage, TDs and catches: Jefferson is ahead of Diggs on two of them Doesn’t matter, because they are a mediocre team with a good rookie wide out. Lots of guys on iffy teams have good individual stats, look at the Cowboys.... even with Dak...
GunnerBill Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, Bronxbomber21 said: Allen needed a true #1 wr and vet thats a leader not a rookie thats going against teams #2 cbs He has made some plays against #1 corners but it is true he has often drawn the #2 guy and goes against #3s plenty too. He has been about 35% in the slot as of the last breakdown I saw. He has been much better outside than I thought his college tape was though. Now admittedly most of his snaps for LSU in 2019 were slot reps so you were digging back two year for much tape on him outside. Maybe he just really came on in that time between. He has been legit, no question about it. I think both teams got what they needed. Minnesota needed some cap room and a wide receiver who was gonna come cheap the next 5 years. The bills need an established #1 to change the way teams played coverage against them and who Josh Allen could look to in crunch situations and know he would beat his man - whether that be the TD in Arizona of the 4th down conversion the other night. I think the moment Brandon Beane realised he needed that guy came at the end of the Baltimore game last year. John Brown is a fine player. He had a great 2019 season.... but when Josh out a ball right on the money at the end of that Ravens game to win the Bills the game it went incomplete because John Brown didn't get off press. You need a guy that in those situations wins. And there are not many in the NFL who win in that situation more frequently than Stefon Diggs. Elite route runner. 2 1
Kwai San Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, dma0034 said: Of the 3 major WR stats: Yardage, TDs and catches: Jefferson is ahead of Diggs on two of them This game is SO much more than stats. What about the record? Not even looking nor knowing what Minny is doing I would go out on a limb and say the Bills record is better. That to me and I am sure to Diggs and MANY other players in that Bills locker room is more important......stats are for losers. Wins are for winners..... 1
DrDawkinstein Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 16 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said: ... thinking... ...OK, I am comfortable now in saying this. This is no slur to anybody else, but I am more than 50 years old and I have been watching football my entire life. Stefon Diggs is the greatest receiver I have ever seen...at getting open. I had heard for years that the problem with the Bills receivers was they couldnt get open because they "couldnt create space". I kinda understood in theory what that meant, but always thought "how much difference can there be? it must be the play design that is bad". But then I watch Beasley and especially Diggs work, and I'm like Ooohhhhh, THAT's what they mean. 1 1
Rk_Bills86 Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 Anyone that might be saying - OH we could have had Jefferson with our first round pick.... 1) There was no way of knowing he would be there when we picked 2) There was no way of knowing he would actually be as good as he is 3) As is the case with almost all rookie WRs, he has limitations as a pro - but he has 100% taken advantage of his situation and having Cousins certainly helps (it's not like he's on the Jags/Bear/Jets where the QB situation is..... poor) Trading for a proven 26 yr old and seeing immediate returns not only from his own production but what it has done to increase the production of the team makes us the overall winner. I'd also like to add.... for a rookie as our number 4 WR Davis is having a stellar season : 25 rec for 422 yds and 5 tds (Not exactly a slouch for rookie stats) For quick comparison Jefferson is 61 rec for 1039 yds and 7 tds.... While it's not fair to do a strait extrapolation and comparison, just for fun - if we bump Davis up to 50 catches his stat line comes to 50 rec for 850 yds and 10 tds - not a fair comparison but still. We got Diggs AND Davis. Frankly we're stacked. 1
Meatloaf63 Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 9 minutes ago, dma0034 said: Of the 3 major WR stats: Yardage, TDs and catches: Jefferson is ahead of Diggs on two of them What are the stats of the other receivers on each team, who’s drawing more coverage, who’s making others better on the field, who’s offense is performing better week in and week out ? It’s not as simple as you make it out to be. 1
dma0034 Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 6 minutes ago, Kwai San said: This game is SO much more than stats. What about the record? Not even looking nor knowing what Minny is doing I would go out on a limb and say the Bills record is better. That to me and I am sure to Diggs and MANY other players in that Bills locker room is more important......stats are for losers. Wins are for winners..... We are taking about individuals not team. Unless you are talking about a QB I doubt a single player changes a 6-6 club into a 9-3 club. The Bills are 9-3 with Diggs not because of Diggs
Matt_In_NH Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 Both sides won. The Vikings needed salary cap room and got good value for Diggs. The first rounder has paid off about as good as it could in the first year, they slam dunked that pick but at the time the trade was made that was not knowable, they could have gotten a dud there. Not sure you will find people that would reverse that trade on either side, it was a win win.
Kwai San Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 Just now, dma0034 said: We are taking about individuals not team. Unless you are talking about a QB I doubt a single player changes a 6-6 club into a 9-3 club. The Bills are 9-3 with Diggs not because of Diggs You miss my point entirely. Diggs is making the team that much better....attention has to be focused on him opening up the rest of the options for JA. We could argue this into the ground and back but bottom line I prefer Diggs proven commodity over JJ. We can agree to disagree.....
dma0034 Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said: What are the stats of the other receivers on each team, who’s drawing more coverage, who’s making others better on the field, who’s offense is performing better week in and week out ? It’s not as simple as you make it out to be. Beasley has more yards and catches than Theilen. This isn't including John Brown. It's very clear many of you haven't watched Justin Jefferson play.
Meatloaf63 Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 Just now, dma0034 said: Beasley has more yards and catches than Theilen. This isn't including John Brown. It's very clear many of you haven't watched Justin Jefferson play. It’s very clear you don’t understand the whole situation, and that we have better options than just throwing it to Diggs on every play. You don’t understand how valuable it is to be able to lean on more than just one player. What’s Minnesota’s record by the way? 1
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