Ray Finkel Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 1 hour ago, matter2003 said: As good as Allen plays on the field, his intangibles and what he does off the field are even better. Have you ever heard anything lile that about Allen? People rave about his leadership skills...Murray it seems like only is a good leader when times are good but disappears when the team actually NEEDS his leadership ability during tough times. Not a good sign. This sounds pretty Jay Cutler like. Murray has all the talent in the world but he isn't going to do much if he doesn't learn how to be a better leader. Quote from Bart Scott: “This isn’t a one-off,” said Scott. “If you listen to some of his other interviews after they’ve lost, especially last year after a tough season, he doesn’t come off to me as a leader of men.” Scott added, “I think he’s all about me because he doesn’t put the onus on himself. He puts it on ‘We have to do something better’ when the team struggles. “That tells me he’s a finger pointer and not a thumb pointer. Listen, I said it first — Kyler Murray is not a leader of men and if this team hits adversity, they lose Fitzgerald, they ever have an injury to Hopkins, he’s going to come apart at the seams. He’s going to be one of those guys that goes out and spazzes out on a reporter. He’s going to be one of those guys. I know what I know and I know what I’m watching.” https://cardswire.usatoday.com/2020/12/08/arizona-cardinals-kyler-murray-leadership-struggles/ The kid looks like a spoiled brat when things are not going his way. He pouts like a little kid. 1
Big Turk Posted December 9, 2020 Author Posted December 9, 2020 38 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said: I would be skeptical of reading a guy's facial expressions and body language. Yes, sometimes it can tell a story but other time guys are just different. I mean, Lamar Jackson smacks himself in the helmet and yells at himself out loud when something goes wrong! LOL It's ok for players to have different personalities. We just saw our OL rock our WR to sleep as a TD celebration! People were skeptical of the same thing about Jay Cutler throughout his career but at the end of the day what did he win? 27 minutes ago, Captain Caveman said: Did Scott mention that he (Bart Scott) is one of those guys that goes out and spazzes on a reporter? Why would you take character assessment from him, especially about a guy he doesn't seem to have any real personal knowledge of? Maybe that is how he knows it.
TheFunPolice Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, matter2003 said: People were skeptical of the same thing about Jay Cutler throughout his career but at the end of the day what did he win? Maybe that is how he knows it. Maybe he's right, but I just question these types of stories. Time will tell, either way.
Big Turk Posted December 9, 2020 Author Posted December 9, 2020 36 minutes ago, MJS said: I mean, is Tom Brady any different? He has verbally accosted coaches and teammates on the sidelines MANY times, and sulks into the locker room after losses. Yeah, he usually keeps his cool with the media, but Brady is not a likable teammate at all. Seemed to not deter him much through his career. Big Ben has called out his own teammates over the years and seems pretty selfish and me first. He isn't much of a leader. If Murray is good at playing football it doesn't really matter all that much. Yeah, it would be nice if he was a leader and boy scout, but not necessary. He did that after winning 5 Super Bowls and proving himself over and over again on the biggest stage. He also would get after guys at practice and make sure they kept repeating something until they got it exactly right no matter how many reps it took. But to a man players say Brady is an amazing leader. Getting in someone's face sometimes is part of it.
Just Joshin' Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 1 hour ago, ALF said: That perfect hail Mary pass in a win or lose pressure tells me he's the real deal. That does not mean he is a leader. It means the Bills did not play the hail mary properly.
ExiledInIllinois Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 7 minutes ago, Just Joshin' said: That does not mean he is a leader. It means the Bills did not play the hail mary properly. Or... The Cards just got lucky. How have the Cards been playing since. Obviously, the three other teams watched film of that Bills game. They shut him down last 3 games.
BillsShredder83 Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Plano said: He'll be out of the NFL in a few years, nothing to see here This article OVER his body of work tells you that? lollllllllll hot take
Plano Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 1 minute ago, BillsShredder83 said: This article OVER his body of work tells you that? lollllllllll hot take He doesn't have the skill to be an NFL Franchise QB, period.
Don Otreply Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 2 hours ago, ALF said: That perfect hail Mary pass in a win or lose pressure tells me he's the real deal. It was luck 1
BillsShredder83 Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, Plano said: He doesn't have the skill to be an NFL Franchise QB, period. Hes been throwing Dimes all season, he looks great for a 2nd year guy, arguably as good or better than Josh at the same point of his career
DCbillsfan Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 Cardinals are 0 - 3 since the Hail Mary. Looks like teams are emphasizing pressuring up the middle and keeping Murray in the pocket. He hasn't looked as good lately. He's the real deal though.
Dablitzkrieg Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 Please don't make Murray sounds like Cutler. Cutler is my idol. He doesn't give two ***** about anything and neither do I 1
Kwai San Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Big Gun said: Murray should have stuck with baseball The biggest question I have is WHY didn't he? More longevity in the game, less chance of CTE and more likely more $$$$$. Crazy dude imho
Special K Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 2 hours ago, matter2003 said: Murray it seems like only is a good leader when times are good but disappears when the team actually NEEDS his leadership ability during tough times. Not a good sign. This is how I’ve always described Cam Newton as well.....he sulks around like a five year old when things aren’t going well, but has no problem dancing around like a fool screaming “look at me” when he scores a meaningless TD. 1
Pokebball Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 2 hours ago, matter2003 said: As good as Allen plays on the field, his intangibles and what he does off the field are even better. Have you ever heard anything lile that about Allen? People rave about his leadership skills...Murray it seems like only is a good leader when times are good but disappears when the team actually NEEDS his leadership ability during tough times. Not a good sign. This sounds pretty Jay Cutler like. Murray has all the talent in the world but he isn't going to do much if he doesn't learn how to be a better leader. Quote from Bart Scott: “This isn’t a one-off,” said Scott. “If you listen to some of his other interviews after they’ve lost, especially last year after a tough season, he doesn’t come off to me as a leader of men.” Scott added, “I think he’s all about me because he doesn’t put the onus on himself. He puts it on ‘We have to do something better’ when the team struggles. “That tells me he’s a finger pointer and not a thumb pointer. Listen, I said it first — Kyler Murray is not a leader of men and if this team hits adversity, they lose Fitzgerald, they ever have an injury to Hopkins, he’s going to come apart at the seams. He’s going to be one of those guys that goes out and spazzes out on a reporter. He’s going to be one of those guys. I know what I know and I know what I’m watching.” https://cardswire.usatoday.com/2020/12/08/arizona-cardinals-kyler-murray-leadership-struggles/ These guys live under a microscope. Any flaw gets exposed. I'm not defending him, simply stating reality. I actually cringe every time Josh or any other of our players get behind a mic. The local media is pretty good but the national media always seems to toss in a couple of gotcha questions that one really needs to be thoughtful about answering.
QLBillsFan Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 3 hours ago, Seoulofstone said: Sounds like a character assassination piece to me. He didn't cry when he was 6 down to Buffalo with under a minute to go. I can't speak to whether his character is douchey or not but he's only young and to be fair a large percentage of NFL players are probably douchey I would disagree. Bart Scott is known to say exactly what he thinks. Pre draft this was a very hot topic about KM. As of yet he’s not shown the type of leadership that is required to lead a SB caliber team. His body language is not good. He did an interview pre draft with Dan Patrick and it was really really bad. Guy is talented but not sure he has it. Good point on being young and immature I just agree with BS. I could be wrong. 1
The Firebaugh Kid Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 If I read his body language correctly, Murray looks like a spoiled little brat on the field. He looks like he just ate a sour patch kid. 1
Buffaloaf Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 1 hour ago, QLBillsFan said: I would disagree. Bart Scott is known to say exactly what he thinks. Pre draft this was a very hot topic about KM. As of yet he’s not shown the type of leadership that is required to lead a SB caliber team. His body language is not good. He did an interview pre draft with Dan Patrick and it was really really bad. Guy is talented but not sure he has it. Good point on being young and immature I just agree with BS. I could be wrong. Out of curiosity I looked up his pre-draft scouting report and arrogance and lack of leadership skills were mentioned. I hate to criticize someone's personality without knowing them, but just watching them on the sidelines he comes across very pouty. Here's the link to the report: https://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2019kmurray.php
Dukestreetking Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 5 hours ago, Seoulofstone said: If you look close enough anyone's behaviour can be critiqued. If your point is to bathe in the reflected glory of the comparible culture of the two teams then yes I expect Buffalo is much better than Arizona under Kingsbury- see Spain, Quinton, for keeping things quiet But human beings generally are flawed. I ask myself what is the motive behind this article. I am however pleased that Josh is likeable. Seoul, well done sir. Nicely expressed. You are, like, a balanced-introspective- philosopher-king. This board never ceases to amaze. 1
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