Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 5 hours ago, Jobot said: Just total speculation.. but I have a feeling this guy doesn't put in the necessary work to be a professional quarterback. Lot of outside-football hobbies that he's into. Like what? Not doubting, just curious... 5 hours ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: Who remembers when Josh Allen was called a poor man's Carson Wentz? Wentz would love to be half the quarterback Allen is. I remember when "Era" actually meant a series of years, not just 1 or 2
BuffaloRebound Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 I don’t think Hurts is the answer for Philly. He’s got EJ Manuel deer-in-headlights-itis in the pocket. Maybe the Philly OL is that bad that you gotta put a guy back there that can move. Bad situation to be in. Wentz is a shell of the QB he was when he first came into the League. It’s not all on the team around him. There might be something physical but it just looks like his heart ain’t into it anymore. Sad to see. He looked like he was gonna be one of the games best for next 10-15 years.
Behindenemylines Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 He probably needs a Tannehill type change of scenery. Hate to see a talent flame out usually but since it’s Philly I’m more open. 1
BruceVilanch Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 8 hours ago, ColoradoBills said: The Eagles will most likely end up in the NFCE basement next year interestingly enough, the basement in the NFCE is one floor below the penthouse. 1
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 2 hours ago, Behindenemylines said: He probably needs a Tannehill type change of scenery. Hate to see a talent flame out usually but since it’s Philly I’m more open. I'd put Wentz in the Tannehill/Carr/Stafford/Cousins category of QB. Better than average. Good enough to win a lot of games and make the playoffs with a strong supporting cast. Probably never good enough to win a SB.
BarleyNY Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 15 hours ago, ColoradoBills said: You guys understand the cap better than most around here and it's just a fact. Eagles are in trouble. One thing I noticed over the past few years is the Eagles have been "restructuring" contracts at a break neck speed. That caught up with them too this coming off season as they already got 8 guys restructured on the roster in 2021. If they stick with Wentz I just don't know how they make it work in the coming 2 seasons. It also seems they have to dump at least one high dollar DL. I for one am going to watch them (and the Saints) a lot in the off season to see how they try to get through this! $59 million dead money in 2021. If they can get a trade partner it goes down to $34 million. Thanks. Those are the two teams I’ll be watching closely too. Typically the road to getting under the cap is pretty straightforward even if it’s painful - and the situation usually makes sense. New Orleans is in worse shape than Philly, but they’ve got a 41 year old HOF QB. It makes sense for them to make a last run and then deal with Armageddon. But Philly? I have no idea what they were thinking. If they thought Wentz was their guy, then why necessitate a tear down? If they thought they made a mistake with him, then why go all in on 2020 with the rest of the roster? I get that teams got caught a bit with the revenue/cap decrease, but the NO and Philly situations were going to be very bad anyway. Those two teams are going to have to use every method at their disposal to get under the cap. And don’t expect them to get a break from the league. 30 other teams will benefit from their situations so they won’t be having it. 1
H2o Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 19 hours ago, Seasons1992 said: He may go to Indy next year........just pack that away in your memory banks. They can't move him. He leaves $60,000,000 in dead $$$ if they move him next year and almost $25,000,000 in 2022. This has to be one of the worst contracts ever doled out in history. The Eagles are left with nothing, but buyer's remorse for the next year and a half at least. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/philadelphia-eagles/carson-wentz-18950/
CircleTheWagons99 Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 16 hours ago, dave mcbride said: Foles has been either bad or injured since he left Philly. 2-9 over 11 starts and a rating of 82. Since he left the team/system he succeeded with.
Captain Caveman Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 I think Wentz is a perfect example of what can happen when a talented QB loses a great coordinator (Reich.)
LabattBlue Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 24 minutes ago, H2o said: They can't move him. He leaves $60,000,000 in dead $$$ if they move him next year and almost $25,000,000 in 2022. This has to be one of the worst contracts ever doled out in history. The Eagles are left with nothing, but buyer's remorse for the next year and a half at least. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/philadelphia-eagles/carson-wentz-18950/ Yep. This is why their only option is to hope that he regains his mojo next season...or he will be a very expensive bench warmer for at least 2021.
TheFunPolice Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 It seems like half the Eagles team is always hurt for whatever reason. Really, he had one great chunk of 1 year before he got hurt, and has really never been able to get back to that level since. As far as Foles goes, it's odd that he can apparently only play on the Eagles or vs Tom Brady!
Seasons1992 Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 1 hour ago, H2o said: They can't move him. He leaves $60,000,000 in dead $$$ if they move him next year and almost $25,000,000 in 2022. This has to be one of the worst contracts ever doled out in history. The Eagles are left with nothing, but buyer's remorse for the next year and a half at least. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/philadelphia-eagles/carson-wentz-18950/ They can move him, if it's a trade; Indy would have to pick up a lot of money.
mannc Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 20 hours ago, dneveu said: I think a lot of his issues are mental at this point. Processing time hasn't improved, and may actually be worse. His pocket presence has been terrible, seems to roll and steer himself to sacks. And his throwing platform is a mess. So basically he holds the ball too long, doesn't find open receivers, can't buy time, and can't throw remotely accurately. That’s a pretty good summary. Those blaming Pederson, injuries and/or front office are clueless. This guy just can’t play. Will be OOF soon without dramatic improvement.
Ralonzo Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 18 hours ago, QCity said: That doesn't quite work. Is it supposed to be "Wentz on a bentz" or "Wench on a bench"? Ah well. Everybody Hurts.
Jobot Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 15 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Like what? Not doubting, just curious... He's a big outdoorsman/hunting from what I've heard.. And again, total speculation, it just doesn't make sense for him to regress this much. But if Football were his top priority, this situation wouldn't exist IMO.
ndirish1978 Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 He was a decent QB before, now he has the yips. Hope he can figure it out, but he's probably done.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 24 minutes ago, Jobot said: He's a big outdoorsman/hunting from what I've heard.. And again, total speculation, it just doesn't make sense for him to regress this much. But if Football were his top priority, this situation wouldn't exist IMO. Yeah, I dunno. For some QB, there seem to be huge differences in how they perform for some coaches than for others. Bradford was one. Foles is another. Fitzpatrick would be an example, I think. Maybe Wentz is a 3rd. As you say, it's probably partly a matter of his input/effort as well - even if he's putting in a huge effort, only the right practice makes perfect. 1
H2o Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Seasons1992 said: They can move him, if it's a trade; Indy would have to pick up a lot of money. Even in a trade scenario the dead cap hit would be slapped upon the team who gave him the signing bonus originally. They can't move him and their cap situation is already shaping up bad for next year as it is.
BuffaloRebound Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Seasons1992 said: They can move him, if it's a trade; Indy would have to pick up a lot of money. Would have to be a Brock Osweiler deal. Philly gonna have to send probably 1st or 2nd rounder with Wentz for somebody to pick up his contract.
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