ghostwriter Posted December 8, 2020 Posted December 8, 2020 31 minutes ago, 947 said: Nobody is trading for Wentz with that $34.6M cap hit in 2021, plus giving up a pick. The Eagles will have to cut him & eat the dead money. After he's cut, then yeah I could see Pittsburgh or the Pats interested. Steelers, Pats, Colts, Bears, Saints, & 49ers could all be looking for a new QB. Wentz, Darnold, & Winston are likely the best available and are all major reclamation projects. Who knows what'll happen. Colts would make sense for Wentz.. I’m not sure how all the linguistics will play out but I could see that.. Would be the best fit for him..
John from Riverside Posted December 8, 2020 Posted December 8, 2020 So now Josh Allen must carry the mantle at the NFL Combines as the comparison for ultra talented go to nowhere schools that might make it in the NFL? Somehow....I think Josh can handle it
BarleyNY Posted December 8, 2020 Posted December 8, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, ColoradoBills said: It took balls JAR to post this but I for one tend to agree. Not only was his OL great the rest of the team was great. PHI has used the "credit card" for years now and it's coming back to bite them in the ass this coming off season. Any Gm/HC going there is in for real tough times. My prediction is that a bunch of PHI players will want out after this year. The Eagles will most likely end up in the NFCE basement next year. The Iggles cap situation is so bad going into 2021 that they won’t be able to rectify it in just that one season. It’ll take 2-3 seasons to clear the books. $260M in cap hits for 41 players going into 2021. They’ll likely have something around $175M plus $22M in carryover to work with. Some of their high cap hit players aren’t cut or trade candidates due to huge dead cap hits so they’ll have to keep them and convert salary into a signing bonus to kick some of the hit down the road. Others will be traded or cut. Replacements will be cheap. It is ugly now and it’s going to be ugly for awhile for them. Edited December 8, 2020 by BarleyNY 2
Captain Hindsight Posted December 8, 2020 Posted December 8, 2020 2 hours ago, Seasons1992 said: Darnold to Pittsburgh. Why does everyone think Pittsburgh wants a bust QB who hasnt improved in any category or the eye test since his rookie year? Mike Tomlin won games last year with a dude named Duck. He doesnt need to give up a draft pick for a former 1st round bust like Darnold. 1
DrDawkinstein Posted December 8, 2020 Posted December 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: The Iggles cap situation is so bad going into 2021 that they won’t be able to rectify it in just that one season. It’ll take 2-3 seasons to clear the books. $260M in cap hits for 41 players. They’ll have something close to $175M plus $22M in carryover to work with. Some of their high cap hit players aren’t cut or trade candidates due to huge dead cap hits so they’ll have to keep them and convert salary into a signing bonus to kick some of the hit down the road. It is ugly now and it’s going to be ugly for awhile. It's almost like no one told them there is a salary cap. 2
BarleyNY Posted December 8, 2020 Posted December 8, 2020 1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said: It's almost like no one told them there is a salary cap. No kidding. They were really going to an extreme in what I have to assume was an attempt at another Super Bowl run.
Virgil Posted December 8, 2020 Posted December 8, 2020 I heard on the radio his big money extension doesn’t kick in until after this season. Is that relevant? Can they get out from that contract? I thought, whether it’s deemed an extension or not, it’s a new deal on day 1 of signing so they are already on the hook.
ColoradoBills Posted December 8, 2020 Posted December 8, 2020 8 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: The Iggles cap situation is so bad going into 2021 that they won’t be able to rectify it in just that one season. It’ll take 2-3 seasons to clear the books. $260M in cap hits for 41 players going into 2021. They’ll likely have something around $175M plus $22M in carryover to work with. Some of their high cap hit players aren’t cut or trade candidates due to huge dead cap hits so they’ll have to keep them and convert salary into a signing bonus to kick some of the hit down the road. Others will be traded or cut. Replacements will be cheap. It is ugly now and it’s going to be ugly for awhile for them. 5 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: It's almost like no one told them there is a salary cap. You guys understand the cap better than most around here and it's just a fact. Eagles are in trouble. One thing I noticed over the past few years is the Eagles have been "restructuring" contracts at a break neck speed. That caught up with them too this coming off season as they already got 8 guys restructured on the roster in 2021. If they stick with Wentz I just don't know how they make it work in the coming 2 seasons. It also seems they have to dump at least one high dollar DL. I for one am going to watch them (and the Saints) a lot in the off season to see how they try to get through this! 8 minutes ago, Virgil said: I heard on the radio his big money extension doesn’t kick in until after this season. Is that relevant? Can they get out from that contract? I thought, whether it’s deemed an extension or not, it’s a new deal on day 1 of signing so they are already on the hook. $59 million dead money in 2021. If they can get a trade partner it goes down to $34 million. 1
ProcessAccepted Posted December 8, 2020 Posted December 8, 2020 3 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said: I think Wentz would love to have the team and career path Josh has had. Wentz came in with a bang whereas Allen has improved each year. Wentz a second draft pick and on a winning SB teams his second year, that is world of expectations. Allen was hotly contested with his now infamous accuracy issues. The Eagles situation is borderline fire, HC now in jeopardy, way over the salary cap, many injuries. If they can lower his cost I would not be surprised to see him in Indy next year 1
CircleTheWagons99 Posted December 8, 2020 Posted December 8, 2020 I understand Foles is not a world beater, but man what a dumb decision to pay Wentz and let Foles (SB MVP) go.
dave mcbride Posted December 8, 2020 Posted December 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, CircleTheWagons99 said: I understand Foles is not a world beater, but man what a dumb decision to pay Wentz and let Foles (SB MVP) go. Foles has been either bad or injured since he left Philly. 2-9 over 11 starts and a rating of 82. 1
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted December 8, 2020 Posted December 8, 2020 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Virgil said: I heard on the radio his big money extension doesn’t kick in until after this season. Is that relevant? Can they get out from that contract? I thought, whether it’s deemed an extension or not, it’s a new deal on day 1 of signing so they are already on the hook. 13 minutes ago, ProcessAccepted said: If they can lower his cost I would not be surprised to see him in Indy next year So... https://overthecap.com/player/carson-wentz/4715/ The entire prorated bonus column would hit on day 1 if they trade or release him. So 33M right there. Option bonus kicks in on day 3 - so if you trade him... someone else could theoretically pay that. But if someone else picks that up it basically is a 2 year deal for 47.4 million (year 2 of the deal is fully guaranteed the same day they trigger the bonus) + additional years at 25 and 26 million. So you could trade for him at 4 years 94 million. But the problem is - no ones going to trade for a damaged goods QB where the first year is a 25.4 cap hit, with a fully guaranteed 2nd year at 22. So now your cap hit to trade him is 43 million... which is a cap hit that is 9 million over the current one... and the team is over the cap. Cutting him jumps it up to 59 - which is impossible to fit in. They have to pay the roster bonus, the base salary, and all the bonuses they already paid out. They need to find someone to commit to him for 2 years. I don't think anyones paying that bonus unless you're packaging a draft pick (likely a 1st or 2nd) with wentz. Cluster. F*ck. Edited December 8, 2020 by dneveu 2
DrDawkinstein Posted December 8, 2020 Posted December 8, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said: He just signed a 4yr/$128M ($107M guaranteed) extension that HASNT EVEN STARTED YET! 😳 And they are already benching him. Philly is so screwed. There is no getting out of it. Wentz however, can just ride this out and collect his money but without all the damage to his body. Smart move sucking so badly. His dead money next year is $60M. Tough to eat that when the cap is staying flat at best. 34 minutes ago, Virgil said: I heard on the radio his big money extension doesn’t kick in until after this season. Is that relevant? Can they get out from that contract? I thought, whether it’s deemed an extension or not, it’s a new deal on day 1 of signing so they are already on the hook. See above. They are SCREWED It is a signed contract with guarantees. Doesnt matter that it technically hasnt started yet. It's effectively the same as adding to the existing contract. Edited December 8, 2020 by DrDawkinstein
y2zipper Posted December 8, 2020 Posted December 8, 2020 Player progressions not 100% linear. The fact that he's having a down year doesn't mean that you cut bait. I think that there is not a way out of the contract, but I also think Wentz is pretty good considering the past 3 years. Well managed teams don't bail on coaches and quarterbacks quickly. There's not a stupider look than saying that Philadelphia should have kept Nick Foles. Carson Wentz is better than Nick Foles this year and was excellent in 2018 after the injury and was pretty good last year too. This year I think the issues are mental and that time off for him is going to be good in the same way that it was for Josh Allen when he got hurt. More than anything, Philly gets to protect the long-term investment and can move hurts if he looks like a decent prospect or can keep him if he world beats, but that's doubtful.
LabattBlue Posted December 8, 2020 Posted December 8, 2020 (edited) Unless Hurts does a Russell Wilson impersonation over the last 4 games, I fully expect the Eagles to fix the OL, get rid of lead foot Jeffrey, replace him with an above average vet WR, and give him another chance next September. They don’t really have a choice his cap hit is massive in 2021 and 2022. Edited December 8, 2020 by Back the Blue 1
Mr. WEO Posted December 8, 2020 Posted December 8, 2020 (edited) but what if Allen turns out to be Wentz???!! Oh, sorry, that was for one of the other Wentz something something Josh Allen threads 13 minutes ago, Back the Blue said: Unless Hurts does a Russell Wilson impersonation over the last 4 games, I fully expect the Eagles to fix the OL, get rid of lead foot Jeffrey, replace him with an above average vet WR, and give him another chance next September. They don’t really have a choice his cap hit is massive in 2021 and 2022. Why would you fully expect Philly to do that now? They were just holding back? Edited December 8, 2020 by Mr. WEO 1
Rk_Bills86 Posted December 9, 2020 Posted December 9, 2020 Wentz is a good QB that looked "GREAT" with a functioning O-Line and with weapons around him. A better way to look at him would be: - He can make use of talent around him OR He does not waste talent around him. This is NOT the same as being a phenomenal QB - which can be defined as someone that makes those around him look even better. This is reserved for the likes of Rodgers, Wilson, Brees, and even Brady. Wentz is 100% a starting caliber NFL QB - but like many - including our very own JA - needs talent around him to succeed. He does not have the skill to literally drag players and terrible teams into the playoffs.
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