Problems with short yardage runs

[LabattBlue]

The struggles with 3rd and less than 2, and 4th and less than 2, have to be fixed.  You can't rely on the pass the entire game.  Not saying we need to be running for 150 yards a game, but the OL can't be blown up more often than not every time a run is called, and they can't gain a yard.

 

Hopefully this can be improved on by playoff time.

[Big Turk]

The Bills actually went into the game with a 71% Power Success Rate which was 10th best in the NFL. It isn't that big of an issue this year. Last year we were bad at power runs, near the bottom with a success rate of like 53% or something. 

 

This year it hasn't been that big of a problem. You are confusing the struggles with last year's team most likely in your mind.

Edited December 8, 2020 by matter2003

[DrDawkinstein]

I cant find the stat line, but at one point recently we were leading the league in picking up short yardage 1st downs. Not that worried about it.

 

San Fran's DLine is very good. They get paid to make plays too.

[RoyBatty is alive]

Yes that was the one great flaw offensively last night.  I formerly thought J Allen on short yardage QB sneaks was borderline unstoppable...wasnt the case last night. Granted San Fran line is very good.  I saw Morse get beat several times yesterday.

Edited December 8, 2020 by RoyBatty is alive

[Jobot]

Serious case of recency bias, bud...Throw some SEASON stats in here otherwise you should probably refrain from posting in the future.

[RoyBatty is alive]

2 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

The Bills actually went into the game with a 71% Power Success Rate which was 10th best in the NFL. It isn't that big of an issue this year. Last year we were bad at power runs, near the bottom with a success rate of like 53% or something. 

 

This year it hasn't been that big of a problem. You are confusing the struggles with last year's team most likely in your mind.

No I dont think poster is confused with last year, I think the poster is reflecting on the San Fran game and I would agree with him/her.

[DrDawkinstein]

2 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

wasnt the case last night. Granted San Fran line is very good.

 

This is all it really comes down to. One "bad" night against a very good DL

[LabattBlue]

3 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

The Bills actually went into the game with a 71% Power Success Rate which was 10th best in the NFL. It isn't that big of an issue this year. Last year we were bad at power runs, near the bottom with a success rate of like 53% or something. 

 

This year it hasn't been that big of a problem. You are confusing the struggles with last year's team most likely in your mind.

...maybe a few plays last night that got blown up skewed my view.  We will see how things go down the stretch.

[ogham26]

without knowing for sure i would guess our statistics on this are skewed from allens qb sneak conversion rate being near perfect.  on actual hand offs on those short yardage situations we seem to struggle.

[Kelly the Dog]

9 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

I cant find the stat line, but at one point recently we were leading the league in picking up short yardage 1st downs. Not that worried about it.

 

San Fran's DLine is very good. They get paid to make plays too.

That stat has to be put in context. To the eye, when they run Josh he usually gets it, for a variety of reasons. When they try to run Motor or Moss they are often stuffed. I liked the option to Singletary on a short yardage yesterday, which worked for the first down, if only to make other teams have to prepare they may go wide on those plays. Our run blocking, for the most part, has been terrible this entire season. Sure they get a couple 10 yard runs a game, but mostly our runners are hit immediately on the majority of regular and short yardage runs.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

12 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Yes that was the one great flaw offensively last night.  I formerly thought J Allen on short yardage QB sneaks was borderline unstoppable...wasnt the case last night. Granted San Fran line is very good.  I saw Morse get beat several times yesterday.

San Fran is so stout inside. I don’t know if anyone else is close. 

6 minutes ago, ogham26 said:

without knowing for sure i would guess our statistics on this are skewed from allens qb sneak conversion rate being near perfect.  on actual hand offs on those short yardage situations we seem to struggle.

short yard hand offs seemed to get TFLd all night. Maybe they need to try an TE or Some other horse at fullback. 

[Big Turk]

10 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

No I dont think poster is confused with last year, I think the poster is reflecting on the San Fran game and I would agree with him/her.

 

One game doesn't make it a trend or make it an issue for the year. Also, a team is not going to make every 3rd or 4th and short run. The 49ers got stuffed by us quite a few times also. Just how it works. Sometimes the defense makes a play too.

 

However, our league leading 3rd down conversion rate has been pretty consistent throughout the year at around 50% which will keep the chains moving a lot, as our franchise record streak of 12 games and counting with 20+ first downs will show.

 

Also, ironically in a game where the poster brings up our inability to get a 1st down in one situation, the Bills rolled up 31 first downs, setting a franchise record for a regulation game.

[BuffaloRebound]

Singletary is not a good short yardage back.  He’s little and goes down on first contact.  Moss has more potential but they clearly didn’t trust him after the fumble.  I’m not even sure why they list Taiwan Jones as a RB if the guy never gets in the game as a RB even in a situation like last night where Moss was benched. 

[RoyBatty is alive]

8 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

 

One game doesn't make it a trend or make it an issue for the year. Also, a team is not going to make every 3rd or 4th and short run. The 49ers got stuffed by us quite a few times also. Just how it works. Sometimes the defense makes a play too.

 

However, our league leading 3rd down conversion rate has been pretty consistent throughout the year at around 50% which will keep the chains moving a lot, as our franchise record streak of 12 games and counting with 20+ first downs will show.

 

Also, ironically in a game where the poster brings up our inability to get a 1st down in one situation, the Bills rolled up 31 first downs, setting a franchise record for a regulation game.

 

I didnt say or intimate one game makes a trend or issue for a year.  As for the poster and our inability to get first downs bring that up with him/her, not me.

[Bookie Man]

Activate Yeldon. He's the biggest, fastest back on the roster. JMHO.

[WEATHER DOT COM]

Devin's 1st down on 4th and 1 last night was a thing of beaty. Josh had one successful QB sneak and one failed QB sneak.

 

They got stood up at the goalline in the first half. Moss got stood up in the 2nd half in between the 20s. 

 

What else am I missing or was this it yesterday?

[Kelly the Dog]

7 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Singletary is not a good short yardage back.  He’s little and goes down on first contact.  Moss has more potential but they clearly didn’t trust him after the fumble.  I’m not even sure why they list Taiwan Jones as a RB if the guy never gets in the game as a RB even in a situation like last night where Moss was benched. 

Singletary makes the first guy miss all the time. He's also pretty strong for his size and moves the pile. He gets engulfed immediately a lot because of the OL deficiencies more than his.

[ProcessAccepted]

54 minutes ago, Back the Blue said:

The struggles with 3rd and less than 2, and 4th and less than 2, have to be fixed.  You can't rely on the pass the entire game.  Not saying we need to be running for 150 yards a game, but the OL can't be blown up more often than not every time a run is called, and they can't gain a yard.

 

Hopefully this can be improved on by playoff time.

 

 

Relax the OL is coming together nicely with Winters on the bench. That was an impressive win that we should take at least 24 hours to savor and enjoy.

Edited December 8, 2020 by ProcessAccepted

[BuffaloRebound]

After Poyers interception, it was very telling that we didn’t even attempt to run it on 1st and goal from the 5.  Seems like short yardage running is a problem for most NFL offenses and play callers have no faith that they can successfully run the ball in goal line and short yardage situations.  

[Matt_In_NH]

The one where Singletary barely got it running out of bounds I thought could have been executed better by him, it seemed like there was an opportunity to turn it up and smash through the guy...he seemed to make that closer than it needed to be.