Week 14: Steelers at Bills on SNF

[BananaB]

The Steelers are overrated. Every team in the AFC North is overrated in my opinion. Even the Bengals, before Burrows went down everyone was still giving that team the benefit of the doubt. They got a cupcake schedule.  Heading into the bye I said we’d beat the Steelers, but now with our D coming back to life I think we are gonna crush them.  Our team is a legit contender from here on out as long as we stay healthy. 
 

[Scott7975]

10 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I just had a couple little *blink*blink* "what wormhole did I just fall into?" experiences

 

First, Collinsworth appeared on One Bills Live with Tasker and Chris Brown.  He made the comment at one point that on Monday night, Josh Allen could just stand there in the pocket and do whatever he liked.  Well, there were times when that was true, but there were other times when Josh was moving around, making 1-3 guys miss in order to buy time and make a throw; other times he rolled out either due to pressure or to get a better throwing lane to a secondary defender.  He also passed up some short throws to open guys that were there if he had more pressure.

 

Second, walking over to Steelerland and listening to their One Bills Live equivalent.  They referenced Nexgen stats talking about how Josh Allen doesn't like to be pressured and how poorly he performs under pressure.  My understanding was that Josh Allen has a 67% pass completion rating against the blitz.  Anyone got ideas what they're talking about?  I'm not doubting some such stats exist, just curious what they are.   Anyway interesting listen

 

 

No idea wtf they are talking about...

 

 

Next Gen Edge: Buffalo Bills' short pass defense could stifle Pittsburgh Steelers (nfl.com)

 

Nice stats in this quick vid

[eball]

10 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

First, Collinsworth appeared on One Bills Live with Tasker and Chris Brown.  He made the comment at one point that on Monday night, Josh Allen could just stand there in the pocket and do whatever he liked.  Well, there were times when that was true, but there were other times when Josh was moving around, making 1-3 guys miss in order to buy time and make a throw; other times he rolled out either due to pressure or to get a better throwing lane to a secondary defender.  He also passed up some short throws to open guys that were there if he had more pressure.

 

I’ve stopped complaining about Collinsworth because for all of his knowledge and ability to analyze the game he will always have an agenda.  It is what it is.  He was one of those who didn’t think Josh could ever “make it” and so he has to come up with an explanation for his success other than that he was wrong.

[SCBills]

5 minutes ago, BananaB said:

The Steelers are overrated. Every team in the AFC North is overrated in my opinion. Even the Bengals, before Burrows went down everyone was still giving that team the benefit of the doubt. They got a cupcake schedule.  Heading into the bye I said we’d beat the Steelers, but now with our D coming back to life I think we are gonna crush them.  Our team is a legit contender from here on out as long as we stay healthy. 
 

Browns opened my eyes with that Tennessee win, but overall body of work - You’re right - the resumes of Pittsburgh and Cleveland aren’t that impressive (through no fault of their own).  
 

I honestly don’t know what to make of the Steelers.  
 

Big Ben is a savvy vet, and they have really good WR’s, but they struggle to push the ball down the field or run, so everything they do seems very reliant on YAC.  

 

Their defense has some really good players, but they’ve also been decimated by injury.  Tough break for them because they have a good shot this year with the record they’ve accumulated, but the losses of Dupree and Bush are massive, and by the time they come back next year, Dupree and JuJu may be on different teams. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

7 minutes ago, eball said:

 

I’ve stopped complaining about Collinsworth because for all of his knowledge and ability to analyze the game he will always have an agenda.  It is what it is.  He was one of those who didn’t think Josh could ever “make it” and so he has to come up with an explanation for his success other than that he was wrong.

 

He was actually quite complimentary of Josh, although in a bit of a self-justifcatory and put-down kind of way.  He said he looked like a completely different player, that he looked like "a real NFL QB".

 

Starts at 12:32 in the show if you want to skip the kind of painful Brown quizzing Tasker on Bills WR portion.

 

[BananaB]

8 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Browns opened my eyes with that Tennessee win, but overall body of work - You’re right - the resumes of Pittsburgh and Cleveland aren’t that impressive (through no fault of their own).  
 

I honestly don’t know what to make of the Steelers.  
 

Big Ben is a savvy vet, and they have really good WR’s, but they struggle to push the ball down the field or run, so everything they do seems very reliant on YAC.  

 

Their defense has some really good players, but they’ve also been decimated by injury.  Tough break for them because they have a good shot this year with the record they’ve accumulated, but the losses of Dupree and Bush are massive, and by the time they come back next year, Dupree and JuJu may be on different teams. 

Good statement game for the Browns, but I think if they reverse that 4th down call on the Titans first drive it may of been a whole different game. After Browns scored Henry fumbles and then they are down 17 and totally taken off their game plan. No doubt the Browns had their way with them  but I’m not sure if it was all the Browns or just the Titans having a bad game. Jmo

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

22 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

No idea wtf they are talking about...

 

 

Next Gen Edge: Buffalo Bills' short pass defense could stifle Pittsburgh Steelers (nfl.com)

 

Nice stats in this quick vid

Ummm Josh evades pressure nearly 30% 

twice that of heh hem MVP Lamar the “ultimate” athlete 

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

Ummm Josh evades pressure nearly 30% 

twice that of heh hem MVP Lamar the “ultimate” athlete

 

I think that might be a stat where you'd have to look carefully at what's being measured - in this case it states "evaded pressure at time of throw".

I think if Lamar gets pressured, he runs, so there's no "time of throw" and it wouldn't show up in that stat.

 

That's just a hunch though.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[The Wiz]

15 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I think that might be a stat where you'd have to look carefully at what's being measured - in this case it states "evaded pressure at time of throw".

I think if Lamar gets pressured, he runs, so there's no "time of throw" and it wouldn't show up in that stat.

 

That's just a hunch though.

He's also had over 120 less passing attempts compared to the other QB's on that list.

 

Allen: 428

Murray: 426

Ryan: 466

Mahomes: 463

Jackson: 293

 

If you're not passing as much as other QB's, there's less of a chance that he's being pressured.

Edited December 12, 2020 by The Wiz

[Hapless Bills Fan]

44 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

He was actually quite complimentary of Josh, although in a bit of a self-justifcatory and put-down kind of way.  He said he looked like a completely different player, that he looked like "a real NFL QB".

 

Starts at 12:32 in the show if you want to skip the kind of painful Brown quizzing Tasker on Bills WR portion.

 

OK I'll put in some transcription:

"I was literally blinking my eyes watching (Bills-49ers) last week.  Who is this guy?  They have just developed him into a real NFL QB.  This is the kid that was throwing it down the field to see how far he could throw it and then whenever things weren't open just take off and run.  This is a different guy now, he's playing QB, he's reading defenses.  I thought he looked great".

 

On the one hand, it's nice that Collinsworth is able to recognize that now.  On the other hand, I think it was pretty clear that Josh has been playing QB and reading defenses, certainly at the end of last year, and all this season.  I believe he read defense in the Pitts. game Collinsworth covered last year.  And QBs who take off and run, have been considered a "feature", an extra component of a QB's game that must be defended against - certainly since the time of Vick if not Steve Young.  It was highly complimentary to Josh now, I thought it reflected a kind of "blinders" to the developmental progress Josh has made since entering the league.

 

Anyway, Collinsworth said he sees Steelers-Bills as an "even game" which is "unusual for a 1 loss team" (21:50).  Said what he really likes about the Bills is the physical nature of their defense.  Said there's a lot of effort and a lot of looks, but they "don't screw it up".  Said that most teams that do as much, make mistakes and give up a free touchdown (Hap sez: well, we did last year vs the Ravens and vs Houston).  But 'these guys are getting it right'.

 

22 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

“Yeah, definitely,” he said. “I know that they definitely got some tendencies. We game planned for them pretty well that second game with the Jets. It was a close game. I’m definitely going to use what I learned that week and transfer some of it over to now.”

 

Unless of course, Daboll did a good job self-scouting after that 2nd game and Josh Allen's shoulder "got right" and those tendencies are now different....

[Stank_Nasty]

18 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

OK I'll put in some transcription:

"I was literally blinking my eyes watching (Bills-49ers) last week.  Who is this guy?  They have just developed him into a real NFL QB.  This is the kid that was throwing it down the field to see how far he could throw it and then whenever things weren't open just take off and run.  This is a different guy now, he's playing QB, he's reading defenses.  I thought he looked great".

 

On the one hand, it's nice that Collinsworth is able to recognize that now.  On the other hand, I think it was pretty clear that Josh has been playing QB and reading defenses, certainly at the end of last year, and all this season.  I believe he read defense in the Pitts. game Collinsworth covered last year.  And QBs who take off and run, have been considered a "feature", an extra component of a QB's game that must be defended against - certainly since the time of Vick if not Steve Young.  It was highly complimentary to Josh now, I thought it reflected a kind of "blinders" to the developmental progress Josh has made since entering the league.

 

Anyway, Collinsworth said he sees Steelers-Bills as an "even game" which is "unusual for a 1 loss team" (21:50).  Said what he really likes about the Bills is the physical nature of their defense.  Said there's a lot of effort and a lot of looks, but they "don't screw it up".  Said that most teams that do as much, make mistakes and give up a free touchdown (Hap sez: well, we did last year vs the Ravens and vs Houston).  But 'these guys are getting it right'.

 

 

“Yeah, definitely,” he said. “I know that they definitely got some tendencies. We game planned for them pretty well that second game with the Jets. It was a close game. I’m definitely going to use what I learned that week and transfer some of it over to now.”

 

Unless of course, Daboll did a good job self-scouting after that 2nd game and Josh Allen's shoulder "got right" and those tendencies are now different....

couple of things here. first on collinsworth.... is a qb passing for 20 tds and only 9 int with another 500 yds and 8td on the ground in 2019 not being "a real nfl qb"? geez.

 

and the to the "tendencies". If by tendencies, he means kroft tripping over his own feet and untimely penalties while still racking up over 400 yds of offense.... then ya, there were tendencies i guess.

[Coffeesforclosers]

3 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

Dabs hasn’t shown much In the way of adjusting blocking schemes for a specific player. We shouldn’t hold our breaths.

 

My guess is Daboll ran this by the analytics guys who told him it's better overall to just let them make their plays, then let the TJ Watts/Joey Bosas of the NFL dictate to your offensive game plan.  

[wjag]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

He was actually quite complimentary of Josh, although in a bit of a self-justifcatory and put-down kind of way.  He said he looked like a completely different player, that he looked like "a real NFL QB".

 

Starts at 12:32 in the show if you want to skip the kind of painful Brown quizzing Tasker on Bills WR portion.

 

 

I thought he was very complimentary.  People I guess hear what they want to hear.

 

And yeah..  Tasker trying to remember Bills receivers was drawn out way to long.  

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

26 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

“Yeah, definitely,” he said. “I know that they definitely got some tendencies. We game planned for them pretty well that second game with the Jets. It was a close game. I’m definitely going to use what I learned that week and transfer some of it over to now.”

 

Unless of course, Daboll did a good job self-scouting after that 2nd game and Josh Allen's shoulder "got right" and those tendencies are now different....

 

The game the Bills didn't punt the ball and Allen had his quietest 300 yard game ever? Two TD's taken off the board that would be TD's 9 times out of 10. Also, because of the opponent pressure was never really on the Bills to go for it on 4th down. If we do, we probably convert a couple and extend drives for another TD or two.

[MJS]

2 hours ago, TheProcess said:

I don’t get the Collinsworth hate on here. Can he drone on about the best teams/players? Sure, but what national sports personality doesn’t? I listened to his interview with Chris and Steve when he was on and he was really positive/high on the Bills. Sure, he’ll hype the Steelers on Sunday night, but they deserve it. They are an 11-1 football team. He’ll show the Bills love too though. 

Oh, I don't mind the things he says as much as I mind his super annoying voice.

[MJS]

47 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

On the one hand, it's nice that Collinsworth is able to recognize that now.  On the other hand, I think it was pretty clear that Josh has been playing QB and reading defenses, certainly at the end of last year, and all this season.  I believe he read defense in the Pitts. game Collinsworth covered last year.  And QBs who take off and run, have been considered a "feature", an extra component of a QB's game that must be defended against - certainly since the time of Vick if not Steve Young.  It was highly complimentary to Josh now, I thought it reflected a kind of "blinders" to the developmental progress Josh has made since entering the league.

 

It just seemed like Collinsworth has not actually watched him play in a long, long time. Certainly not this year until the 49ers game. And it sounds like he didn't watch him much last year. Apparently he didn't see the Thanksgiving game because that was a good game by Allen. And he certainly didn't see the week 17 Dolphins game his rookie season where Allen accounted for 5 TD's and was over 65% completion percentage and a 114 rating.

 

People saying that Allen is completely different this year just haven't been watching closely. He has had moments of greatness since his rookie year. He just put it all together and is more consistent this year, plus actually has help on offense now. You see our WR's actually making tough catches now, something we haven't had for awhile (we saw it some last year too). None of us expected him to be THIS good this year, but it doesn't mean he is a completely different player.

 

A guy like Collinsworth doesn't watch the Bills unless he has to. He watches the "big" games and "big" teams and relies on the stats for everything else.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

31 minutes ago, wjag said:

I thought he was very complimentary.  People I guess hear what they want to hear.

And yeah..  Tasker trying to remember Bills receivers was drawn out way to long.  

 

He was very complimentary, but C'mon Man: "looks like a real NFL QB"? 

 

Last year with 20 TD,  9 INT and 3089 yds passing (138 less than the league MVP)?  what was he then, a "imaginary NFL QB"?  He'd already improved well beyond "throw the ball as far as I can" and "1 read, RUN" at that point during the Steelers game last year.  It's been a progression, it's not as though he stepped up last game and suddenly flipped a switch.

 

Yes, he was very complimentary.

[Logic]

I'm seeing a lot of "we need to establish the run" talk regarding this game, and I can certainly understand that -- especially with the Steelers down a few linebackers.

HOWEVER...I can't help but wonder if this will be another opportunity to sling the rock all over the yard.

I saw on Cover 1 this morning that the Steelers defense has faced the MOST empty sets of any defense in the league, and have surrendered the most yardage against that set. Knowing how much Allen and Daboll love empty sets any way, it might be just what the doctor ordered. It would help Josh ID what the defense is doing and would help keep the Steelers from employing some of their most exotic blitz packages.

[JGMcD2]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

OK I'll put in some transcription:

"I was literally blinking my eyes watching (Bills-49ers) last week.  Who is this guy?  They have just developed him into a real NFL QB.  This is the kid that was throwing it down the field to see how far he could throw it and then whenever things weren't open just take off and run.  This is a different guy now, he's playing QB, he's reading defenses.  I thought he looked great".

 

On the one hand, it's nice that Collinsworth is able to recognize that now.  On the other hand, I think it was pretty clear that Josh has been playing QB and reading defenses, certainly at the end of last year, and all this season.  I believe he read defense in the Pitts. game Collinsworth covered last year.  And QBs who take off and run, have been considered a "feature", an extra component of a QB's game that must be defended against - certainly since the time of Vick if not Steve Young.  It was highly complimentary to Josh now, I thought it reflected a kind of "blinders" to the developmental progress Josh has made since entering the league.

 

Anyway, Collinsworth said he sees Steelers-Bills as an "even game" which is "unusual for a 1 loss team" (21:50).  Said what he really likes about the Bills is the physical nature of their defense.  Said there's a lot of effort and a lot of looks, but they "don't screw it up".  Said that most teams that do as much, make mistakes and give up a free touchdown (Hap sez: well, we did last year vs the Ravens and vs Houston).  But 'these guys are getting it right'.

 

 

“Yeah, definitely,” he said. “I know that they definitely got some tendencies. We game planned for them pretty well that second game with the Jets. It was a close game. I’m definitely going to use what I learned that week and transfer some of it over to now.”

 

Unless of course, Daboll did a good job self-scouting after that 2nd game and Josh Allen's shoulder "got right" and those tendencies are now different....

If Avery Williamson’s scouting ability is the difference in the game, then more power to him. 
 

I’m sure it will help give players and understanding of things but the last time he saw us we were kind of discombobulated. I think we’re a different team from week 1 and a different team from when we played the Jets a second time as well.