Can someone explain QBR & Allen's 75.2% QBR vs. SF???

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

23 minutes ago, Ralonzo said:

80% completions

75% QBR

 

Some of those completions were due to bad QB play?

 

uh NO

 

 

FWIW  GMFB said Josh had 1 Fumble!!!

[teef]

17 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yes - some of those games were down to bad offense. You are clearly not reading what I write. But they were not because we didn't throw enough. They were because we had bad skill position guys in 2017, awful skill guys in 2018 and average skill guys in 2019. Plus a QB who doesn't throw in 2017, a rookie who was overmatched in 2018 and in 2019 Josh was still growing missed an opportunity to do it vs Cleveland but we also didn't need to throw a lot to win because of our defense. 

 

So yes, had our offense been better in 2017-2019 we might have won some of those games. What you seem to be suggesting is if we had just thrown it more those years our offense would magically have been better. That is the bit that simply doesn't add up. 

and this is it.  he's just insistent that if the staff had dialed up more pass plays, the offense would be what it is today.  it could have been disastrous.  

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, teef said:

and this is it.  he's just insistent that if the staff had dialed up more pass plays, the offense would be what it is today.  it could have been disastrous.  

 

Yea. For one, you could have dialed up 100 pass plays a game for Tyrod, he'd still have run around in circles behind the line of scrimmage cradling the football like his newborn child and refusing to let it go. 

[teef]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea. For one, you could have dialed up 100 pass plays a game for Tyrod, he'd still have run around in circles behind the line of scrimmage cradling the football like his newborn child and refusing to let it go. 

now that's in my head.

[BillsShredder83]

3 hours ago, artmalibu said:

 

Josh fumbled an Dion recovered it.  Maybe they mixed that up.

 

The announcers had a few mixups too, called Matt- Mike, Brandon- Jeff and said the Bills started in good field position when they started at their own 10.  

Credited good playcalling to Brian McDermott at one point too lol what disrespect

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

I think QBR is still a good stat. Josh is top 6-7 in both QB Rating and QBR. I'll take it. Josh has had games where his QB Rating was 77 (Bad) but his QBR was 67 (Good). This was the Titans game. And most of us agreed he played well despite the overall bad QB Rating. 

 

But even with the two fumbles 75 QBR seems awfully low for last nights performance. And you would assume QBR would be smart enough to not credit Allen with the Moss fumble. 

[GunnerBill]

Just now, BillsShredder83 said:

Credited good playcalling to Brian McDermott at one point too lol what disrespect

 

They did.... and yet this crew is STILL better than last year's MNF clown show. It might be the best MNF crew since Tirico and Gruden. Which doesn't say a lot. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea. For one, you could have dialed up 100 pass plays a game for Tyrod, he'd still have run around in circles behind the line of scrimmage cradling the football like his newborn child and refusing to let it go. 

 

[BearNorth]

Daboll and Dorsey deserve much credit for how they have developed Josh and this offense scares every team they play.  The scheme on the TD to Davis was magic.

 

Now if we could only get our running game going, January home playoff game in the OP probably needs a healthy dose of smash mouth football. Also we are still fumbling too much, and cold weather doesn't help ball security.

 

[Royale with Cheese]

30 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

And the 23 games they lost 2017-19, none could have been due to bad offense and the inability to throw for 300?  Again a circular argument.

 

You say it doesn't matter & I say no other team went a year without doing it once (in the last decade, though maybe you'll find 1-2) and McD did it 3 staright years!!!!  More then an anomaly.

You have zero ability to understand a point.  How many times do people have to tell you this before you start understanding that you just don’t get it?

[BillsFanSD]

2 hours ago, Teddy KGB said:

Tyrod was really good at QBR 🥴🥴

 

crap metric 

I feel like that's the case for most "next gen" stats.  If you can't explain them and the results don't match up with what I'm seeing on the field, they're probably just unhelpful.

[Albanybillsbacker]

Haha,... Mullens had a 70 QBR for the game, just 5 points less than Allen.  Makes sense.  I know I would have had a hard time picking which QB had a better game last night...🤦‍♂️

[Heitz]

3 hours ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

 Thought I heard a “Ryan” McDermott, too

 

Ryan McDermott?  I know him...

 

https://www.snowboarder.com/featured/meet-masters-ryan-mcdermott-snowboard-tuning-guru/

 

Dude is literally one of the best snowboard tuners in the world AND a heck of a nice guy (even if he is a Boston fan).

 

🤣 🤣 🤣

[JESSEFEFFER]

1 hour ago, No_Matter_What said:

Yep everything you say is correct and helps to explain why he never reached 300y until 2020. Still an anomaly though 😁

 

 

Just like rushing TDs, rushing yds (esp. scrambles) directly bleed from his passing stats.  I don't care how they score points just that they do so often enough.  I only care slightly in the sense that the rest of the team respects what he produces and does not think he is "selfish."  Plenty of mouths to feed and doing so makes for a stronger team.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

No

 

LOL

 

No one can explain total QBR.  It's something like 10,000 lines of code, with a bunch of subjective perceptions baked in to some of the numbers that go into it.

[JESSEFEFFER]

It might be true that there is a performance under pressure component to this.  Aside from one blindside hit allowed by Dawkins, Josh was very well protected.  It was maybe the best protection he has had and it may have a dampening effect on his tQBR?

[Billsfan1972]

1 minute ago, JESSEFEFFER said:

It might be true that there is a performance under pressure component to this.  Aside from one blindside hit allowed by Dawkins, Josh was very well protected.  It was maybe the best protection he has had and it may have a dampening effect on his tQBR?

It was good, not great protection.  He moved a lot in the pocket and kept many plays alive.  

[Billsfan1972]

58 minutes ago, teef said:

and this is it.  he's just insistent that if the staff had dialed up more pass plays, the offense would be what it is today.  it could have been disastrous.  

No better, schemes more effective passing.  How many times in 2018/19 did the Bills telegraph run plays and seem to play between the 20's vs. this years much more aggressive play.

 

Again you see what you think you saw in 2017/19 & I saw something different.  2014/16 24-24, 2017/19 25-23 (and two playoff losses).....  

 

I asked about QBR......  https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/3918298/josh-allen

 

He threw for 122 vs. KC (14/27 and an int) and had a higher QBR!!!!!

[billsfan_34]

2 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

 

I get the stat sucks for Josh to get the fumble. 

We all know Moss screwed up.

 

As the stat sheet says - Again by the rule Josh had full possession last. 

 

Which is F'd up because a botched snap is a fumble by the QB.

 

Maybe the NFL will update the Fumble when they correct the INT that never happened!!!! ???

 

I think the same should go for interceptions also

[teef]

13 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

No better, schemes more effective passing.  How many times in 2018/19 did the Bills telegraph run plays and seem to play between the 20's vs. this years much more aggressive play.

 

Again you see what you think you saw in 2017/19 & I saw something different.  2014/16 24-24, 2017/19 25-23 (and two playoff losses).....  

 

I asked about QBR......  https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/3918298/josh-allen

 

He threw for 122 vs. KC (14/27 and an int) and had a higher QBR!!!!!

you start by talking about qbr, but couldn't help yourself in the last paragraph, whining about the offensive output over the first few years.  again, many people gave you perfect. logical and correct explanations as to why that happened.  you've chosen to ignore it.  that's fine, but please let's not act like we don't see this thread weekly.  you can dress it up how ever you want, but it's the same, played out complaint.    you keep posting records over periods of time too with no context.  in mcd two first years here, he had a rookie qb and tyrod.  sure...ignore it.  

 

you made a thread recently asking why posters on here can be so nasty.  the tread was quickly closed, but i think we have our answer.