T master Posted December 19, 2020 Posted December 19, 2020 (edited) If those in our gov't would use just a little tiny bit of common sense they could have avoided the entire voting discrepancy thing (more so) by just not giving millions of $ to use a voting machine built by a company (Dominion) that was known to be able to be manipulated as they were in other country's elections . WHERE'S THE PROOF ??? TB That's just foolish but when you look at some in the US gov't and their actions it just goes to prove that "stupid is as stupid does" !! So no matter what happens with this election find out who chose to use those machines and gave the okay for the money to be used to buy all of them and we can know who was the DC bring behind it ... Besides what machines were used in the last election why couldn't they just use those ?? Why just blow a bunch more money on all these new machines if the old ones work ?? Oh that's right because Trump won with those so there's the possibility that Russia has the remote to them, never mind ... Edited December 22, 2020 by T master 1
Motorin' Posted December 19, 2020 Posted December 19, 2020 4 hours ago, Big Gun said: Here you go ***** stain... https://hereistheevidence.com/ You might as well have posted that with crayon. Just because it's written in big bold letters or crayola doesn't make it evidence. Don't appreciate you calling a fellow poster ***** stain. Attack the post, not the poster. Attack the idea, not the person. 1
TBBills Posted December 19, 2020 Posted December 19, 2020 5 hours ago, Big Gun said: Here you go ***** stain... https://hereistheevidence.com/ Hahahaha you are so ***** stupid, feeble minded brainwashed idiot.
Big Gun Posted December 19, 2020 Posted December 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Motorin' said: You might as well have posted that with crayon. Just because it's written in big bold letters or crayola doesn't make it evidence. Don't appreciate you calling a fellow poster ***** stain. Attack the post, not the poster. Attack the idea, not the person. Too bad, go cry to someone who cares! Had enough of you POS hypocrite liberal bullies! 2
Big Gun Posted December 19, 2020 Posted December 19, 2020 45 minutes ago, TBBills said: Hahahaha you are so ***** stupid, feeble minded brainwashed idiot. Oh look another ***** stain heard from! 2
TBBills Posted December 19, 2020 Posted December 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, Big Gun said: Oh look another ***** stain heard from! You're just an embarrassment, nothing more.
WEATHER DOT COM Posted December 19, 2020 Posted December 19, 2020 38 minutes ago, Big Gun said: Oh look another ***** stain heard from! What does your username make up for?
Motorin' Posted December 19, 2020 Posted December 19, 2020 43 minutes ago, Big Gun said: Too bad, go cry to someone who cares! Had enough of you POS hypocrite liberal bullies! Another IDIOT for the Ignore Feature. Ba bye.
Backintheday544 Posted December 19, 2020 Posted December 19, 2020 8 hours ago, Big Gun said: Here you go ***** stain... https://hereistheevidence.com/ this reminds me of when Brady was caught cheating so Pats fans made this webpage: https://yourteamcheats.com/ 1
Brueggs Posted December 20, 2020 Posted December 20, 2020 On 12/7/2020 at 12:49 PM, SoTier said: I don't believe you because you have consistently started threads -- I think this is your third try but I might have missed one or more -- that raises the issue of "election fraud", including presenting supposed "evidence" that's little more than supposition and conjecture. You are simply trying to keep claims of election fraud on the front page of PPP, which suggests that you do, in fact, believe there was widespread election fraud. There's no evidence of any organized or widespread election fraud anywhere in the country as evidenced by nearly every single case being thrown out of court for lack of evidence, but that obviously isn't good enough for you. You'd rather believe some video purporting to show "something shady". The only "fraud" in Trump's "election fraud" campaign is Trump's siphoning off of nearly $200 million that his supporters contributed to help his legal fight into his own pockets. Really? You are absolutely convinced the OP has an ulterior motive, the second hand, un-named Ukrainian whistle blower should be believed, and yet you discard any credibility to the 1000 American citizens who have signed and sworn affidavits? More proof that the Socialist mentality rots the brain...
ALF Posted December 20, 2020 Posted December 20, 2020 (edited) After legal threat, Fox airs news package debunking election fraud claims made by its own hosts https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/19/business/fox-smartmatic-news-package/index.html Trump campaign told to preserve all documents related to Sidney Powell and Dominion Voting Systems President Donald Trump's campaign legal team sent a memo to dozens of staffers Saturday instructing them to preserve all documents related to Dominion Voting Systems and Sidney Powell in anticipation of potential litigation by the company against the pro-Trump attorney. The memo, viewed by CNN, references a letter Dominion sent to Powell this week demanding she publicly retract her accusations and instructs campaign staff not to alter, destroy or discard records that could be relevant. https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/19/politics/trump-campaign-sidney-powell-dominion-voting-systems/index.html Edited December 20, 2020 by ALF 1
Backintheday544 Posted December 22, 2020 Posted December 22, 2020 We have proof of voter fraud with a dead person voting!!!!!! https://www.businessinsider.com/voter-election-fraud-pennsylvania-charge-dead-mom-vote-trump-2020-12 Dead person voted for Trump tho so not sure if that counts!
TBBills Posted December 22, 2020 Posted December 22, 2020 https://www.axios.com/newsmax-correction-fox-news-dominion-smartmatic-0886023b-a9fc-42c5-b68f-d8492ad04e5e.html Right-wing shows air clarifications about "rigged" voting machines after legal threats. 1
JaCrispy Posted December 22, 2020 Author Posted December 22, 2020 11 hours ago, Backintheday544 said: We have proof of voter fraud with a dead person voting!!!!!! https://www.businessinsider.com/voter-election-fraud-pennsylvania-charge-dead-mom-vote-trump-2020-12 Dead person voted for Trump tho so not sure if that counts! All fraud counts! This is why Democrats AND Republicans should demand transparency...I’ve been saying this forever, now... That fraudulent Trump vote negates a legal Biden vote, and vice versa...this is why ALL law abiding citizens, that do NOT want their vote disenfranchised, should be for voter ID & signature verification...furthermore, if you are unable to make it to the polls to vote, you should have to APPLY for a mail-in ballot (providing ID and address) so that ballots aren’t mailed to dead people or the wrong addresses... You are happy when that bank teller ID’s a random person trying to withdraw funds from your account, aren’t you? This is not rocket science, people- just common sense...and imo, anyone against such measures does not truly care if their vote, or any other person’s legal vote, is disenfranchised.
WEATHER DOT COM Posted December 22, 2020 Posted December 22, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: You are happy when that bank teller ID’s a random person trying to withdraw funds from your account, aren’t you? Has this ever happened since the invention of ATMs? If a random person is trying to withdraw funds from another's account illegally, they're going to use an ATM, which doesn't require ID, instead of withdrawing from a teller. 17 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: All fraud counts! This is why Democrats AND Republicans should demand transparency... It will never be 100% perfect with the amount of voters in this country. I'm content with 99.9%. Edited December 22, 2020 by wAcKy ZeBrA
TBBills Posted December 22, 2020 Posted December 22, 2020 (edited) 32 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: All fraud counts! This is why Democrats AND Republicans should demand transparency...I’ve been saying this forever, now... That fraudulent Trump vote negates a legal Biden vote, and vice versa...this is why ALL law abiding citizens, that do NOT want their vote disenfranchised, should be for voter ID & signature verification...furthermore, if you are unable to make it to the polls to vote, you should have to APPLY for a mail-in ballot (providing ID and address) so that ballots aren’t mailed to dead people or the wrong addresses... You are happy when that bank teller ID’s a random person trying to withdraw funds from your account, aren’t you? This is not rocket science, people- just common sense...and imo, anyone against such measures does not truly care if their vote, or any other person’s legal vote, is disenfranchised. Those mistakes get corrected though just like this one. You don't understand this happens every vote, and it gets corrected EVERY vote. You have just never bothered to look at it till Trump lied and tried to commit voter fraud. Every year they correct bad votes after the election b.c those few votes don't change the actual outcome. You only notice it more b.c the most corrupt man known in the history of this country is in the spotlight as President. Edited December 22, 2020 by TBBills 1
JaCrispy Posted December 22, 2020 Author Posted December 22, 2020 1 hour ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said: Has this ever happened since the invention of ATMs? If a random person is trying to withdraw funds from another's account illegally, they're going to use an ATM, which doesn't require ID, instead of withdrawing from a teller. It will never be 100% perfect with the amount of voters in this country. I'm content with 99.9%. Your PIN is your ID verification when ATM is used...otherwise, bank tellers request photo ID, and ask you to lower your mask with for in-bank transactions...Imo, voting should have the same standards... 1 hour ago, TBBills said: Those mistakes get corrected though just like this one. You don't understand this happens every vote, and it gets corrected EVERY vote. You have just never bothered to look at it till Trump lied and tried to commit voter fraud. Every year they correct bad votes after the election b.c those few votes don't change the actual outcome. You only notice it more b.c the most corrupt man known in the history of this country is in the spotlight as President. Most mail in ballots, in years passed, had been absentee (with the exception of a few states), where you had to apply for them with ID and address verification...this year, that wasn’t the case...so, there is more of a reason to be concerned this time, especially if this is going to be the norm going forward...
TBBills Posted December 22, 2020 Posted December 22, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: Your PIN is your ID verification when ATM is used...otherwise, bank tellers request photo ID, and ask you to lower your mask with for in-bank transactions...Imo, voting should have the same standards... Most mail in ballots, in years passed, had been absentee (with the exception of a few states), where you had to apply for them with ID and address verification...this year, that wasn’t the case...so, there is more of a reason to be concerned this time, especially if this is going to be the norm going forward... Not really... And it showed there wasn't more of a reason. Just one guy wanted to force that fear mongering in your head and look at what has happened b.c of it. Dictators try to do things like this but thankfully in America we have many checks and balances to stop our president from committing voter fraud. Edited December 22, 2020 by TBBills
JaCrispy Posted December 22, 2020 Author Posted December 22, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, TBBills said: Not really... And it showed there wasn't more of a reason. Just one guy wanted to force that fear mongering in your head and look at what has happened b.c of it. Look, it’s ok to think that Biden won, fair and square AND be for additional protections in our elections...they are not mutually exclusive... In fact, I do happen to think there was fraud (as there always is)...BUT, I don’t happen to think there was enough to overturn the election...Biden won, imo... That being said, I believe we definitely need to do more to protect our election system to make sure non citizens aren’t voting, people aren’t voting multiple times, and ballots aren’t being sent out to dead people or the wrong address... Can we, at least, agree on that? Edited December 22, 2020 by JaCrispy
Backintheday544 Posted December 22, 2020 Posted December 22, 2020 1 hour ago, JaCrispy said: All fraud counts! This is why Democrats AND Republicans should demand transparency...I’ve been saying this forever, now... That fraudulent Trump vote negates a legal Biden vote, and vice versa...this is why ALL law abiding citizens, that do NOT want their vote disenfranchised, should be for voter ID & signature verification...furthermore, if you are unable to make it to the polls to vote, you should have to APPLY for a mail-in ballot (providing ID and address) so that ballots aren’t mailed to dead people or the wrong addresses... You are happy when that bank teller ID’s a random person trying to withdraw funds from your account, aren’t you? This is not rocket science, people- just common sense...and imo, anyone against such measures does not truly care if their vote, or any other person’s legal vote, is disenfranchised. If you love democracy, you’d be against voter ID laws as they are being used as a restriction on legal US persons to vote. ACLU gives a good break down on it: Voter ID Laws Deprive Many Americans of the Right to Vote Millions of Americans Lack ID. 11% of U.S. citizens – or more than 21 million Americans – do not have government-issued photo identification.1 Obtaining ID Costs Money. Even if ID is offered for free, voters must incur numerous costs (such as paying for birth certificates) to apply for a government-issued ID. Underlying documents required to obtain ID cost money, a significant expense for lower-income Americans. The combined cost of document fees, travel expenses and waiting time are estimated to range from $75 to $175.2 The travel required is often a major burden on people with disabilities, the elderly, or those in rural areas without access to a car or public transportation. In Texas, some people in rural areas must travel approximately 170 miles to reach the nearest ID office.3 Voter ID Laws Reduce Voter Turnout. A 2014 GAO study found that strict photo ID laws reduce turnout by 2-3 percentage points,4 which can translate into tens of thousands of votes lost in a single state.5 Voter ID Laws Are Discriminatory Minority voters disproportionately lack ID. Nationally, up to 25% of African-American citizens of voting age lack government-issued photo ID, compared to only 8% of whites.6 States exclude forms of ID in a discriminatory manner. Texas allows concealed weapons permits for voting, but does not accept student ID cards. Until its voter ID law was struck down, North Carolina prohibited public assistance IDs and state employee ID cards, which are disproportionately held by Black voters. And until recently, Wisconsin permitted active duty military ID cards, but prohibited Veterans Affairs ID cards for voting. Voter ID laws are enforced in a discriminatory manner. A Caltech/MIT study found that minority voters are more frequently questioned about ID than are white voters.7 Voter ID laws reduce turnout among minority voters. Several studies, including a 2014 GAO study, have found that photo ID laws have a particularly depressive effect on turnout among racial minorities and other vulnerable groups, worsening the participation gap between voters of color and whites.8 Voter ID Requirements are a Solution in Search of a Problem In-person fraud is vanishingly rare. A recent study found that, since 2000, there were only 31 credible allegations of voter impersonation – the only type of fraud that photo IDs could prevent – during a period of time in which over 1 billion ballots were cast.9 Identified instances of “fraud” are honest mistakes. So-called cases of in-person impersonation voter “fraud” are almost always the product of an elections worker or a voter making an honest mistake, and that even these mistakes are extremely infrequent.10 Voter ID laws are a waste of taxpayer dollars. States incur sizeable costs when implementing voter ID laws, including the cost of educating the public, training poll workers, and providing IDs to voters. Texas spent nearly $2 million on voter education and outreach efforts following passage of its Voter ID law.11 Indiana spent over $10 million to produce free ID cards between 2007 and 2010.12
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