Warcodered Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 12 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: This is classic enablement behavior because you enjoy the safety of a status quo politicians. Joe Biden’s snuggly hair smelling with his body pressed firmly against any available flesh was never normal. Never. The liberties Biden took would get his ass kicked in ANY normal scenario from either of our lives, or I’ve totally misjudged who you seem to be. He’s the guy from the local plant in a position of authority that reaches in, pulls the wife close, rubs her shoulders (or worse) while whispering what he might do to her if she was of the mind. He’s the judge who offers to look the other way on a ticket in exchange for certain considerations carried out in the secrecy of a dark hallway. I was born in 1961, am the son of a woman who would jab a fingernail in that creepsters eye, married to a woman who would do the same, and raised my own daughter to recognize the power dynamic in play with this old douche. I’m 100% certain you did the same, and how you can rationalize this behavior as anywhere approaching normal for that time is absurd. Did it happen? Of course it did, but this is a far cry from normal behavior of that time, and honestly, I was taught the boundaries at a very early age. If you were wrong and felt you had to apologize, that’s on you. It may explain your rationalization that Biden’s behavior as a *&$#ing US Senator was “normal”. 7 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: Old school? Baloney! He does not get a pass for that when he is in the US Senate. He is not some old guy living on the edge of town stuck in the 1940's with no one to set him straight. Some libs would have us believe that Biden is on the same par with some guy who grew up 60 years on the edge of town and had no social contact to set him straight during the intervening years to today. With all this outrage over allegations against Biden I assume you both voted 3rd party then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 (edited) 24 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: This is classic enablement behavior because you enjoy the safety of a status quo politicians. Joe Biden’s snuggly hair smelling with his body pressed firmly against any available flesh was never normal. Never. The liberties Biden took would get his ass kicked in ANY normal scenario from either of our lives, or I’ve totally misjudged who you seem to be. He’s the guy from the local plant in a position of authority that reaches in, pulls the wife close, rubs her shoulders (or worse) while whispering what he might do to her if she was of the mind. He’s the judge who offers to look the other way on a ticket in exchange for certain considerations carried out in the secrecy of a dark hallway. I was born in 1961, am the son of a woman who would jab a fingernail in that creepsters eye, married to a woman who would do the same, and raised my own daughter to recognize the power dynamic in play with this old douche. I’m 100% certain you did the same, and how you can rationalize this behavior as anywhere approaching normal for that time is absurd. Did it happen? Of course it did, but this is a far cry from normal behavior of that time, and honestly, I was taught the boundaries at a very early age. If you were wrong and felt you had to apologize, that’s on you. It may explain your rationalization that Biden’s behavior as a *&$#ing US Senator was “normal”. His behavior towards women was wrong. I did things that were wrong back in the day. I would wager all I have you did too. Times change; Biden has admitted he was wrong. Has Trump? 19 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: Old school? Baloney! He does not get a pass for that when he is in the US Senate. He is not some old guy living on the edge of town stuck in the 1940's with no one to set him straight. Some libs would have us believe that Biden is on the same par with some guy who grew up 60 years on the edge of town and had no social contact to set him straight during the intervening years to today. See my answer above. And now answer this: what about Trump? Was he wrong to sexually assault women? Pay off porn stars? Grab them by the****? Or do you have a double standard? Edited December 6, 2020 by oldmanfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 19 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: This is classic enablement behavior because you enjoy the safety of a status quo politicians. Joe Biden’s snuggly hair smelling with his body pressed firmly against any available flesh was never normal. Never. The liberties Biden took would get his ass kicked in ANY normal scenario from either of our lives, or I’ve totally misjudged who you seem to be. He’s the guy from the local plant in a position of authority that reaches in, pulls the wife close, rubs her shoulders (or worse) while whispering what he might do to her if she was of the mind. He’s the judge who offers to look the other way on a ticket in exchange for certain considerations carried out in the secrecy of a dark hallway. I was born in 1961, am the son of a woman who would jab a fingernail in that creepsters eye, married to a woman who would do the same, and raised my own daughter to recognize the power dynamic in play with this old douche. I’m 100% certain you did the same, and how you can rationalize this behavior as anywhere approaching normal for that time is absurd. Did it happen? Of course it did, but this is a far cry from normal behavior of that time, and honestly, I was taught the boundaries at a very early age. If you were wrong and felt you had to apologize, that’s on you. It may explain your rationalization that Biden’s behavior as a *&$#ing US Senator was “normal”. Also, good for your mom and your wife and daughter. My two daughters and my wife would do the same, probably not let the creep live. There are things guys in my generation did, jokes we told, actions we took, that were flat out wrong as I look back now. We should have known better. We can only now try to lead better lives in the recognition of such. Biden has at least admitted the same. Not Trump. I would hope you are also disgusted by his behavior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: His behavior towards women was wrong. I did things that were wrong back in the day. I would wager all I have you did too. Times change; Biden has admitted he was wrong. Has Trump? See my answer above. And now answer this: what about Trump? Was he wrong to sexually assault women? Pay off prom stars? Grab them by the****? Or do you have a double standard? We have never gotten past allegations with Trump. If there were a real sexual assault matter hanging over Trump's head he would have been crucified with it years ago. Do you get this worked up when entertainment hosts treat women like they are sexual receptacles? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 1 minute ago, RochesterRob said: We have never gotten past allegations with Trump. If there were a real sexual assault matter hanging over Trump's head he would have been crucified with it years ago. Do you get this worked up when entertainment hosts treat women like they are sexual receptacles? Oh it’s just allegations? In his own words on tape he brags about grabbing women by the ####### and they are allegations? Women should not be treated as sexual receptacles by anyone including entertainment hosts or anyone else. Is there any depths that you won’t go to in order to be Trump’s lap dog? He lost the election and you still hold him up like some sort of god. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 8 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Oh it’s just allegations? In his own words on tape he brags about grabbing women by the ####### and they are allegations? Women should not be treated as sexual receptacles by anyone including entertainment hosts or anyone else. Is there any depths that you won’t go to in order to be Trump’s lap dog? He lost the election and you still hold him up like some sort of god. There is a difference between desired sexual contact and forced contact implying no consent. There are many women who would subject themselves to poor treatment in order to gain money or position in the workplace. I had a boss many years ago that had young women in his office for an hour or more that their job descriptions did not call for such extensive contact. It was no secret as to what was taking place and how that boss looked his wife in the face when he went home and the young women of which nearly all were married did the same with their husbands I'll never know. Then before the workplace was college where certain women engaged in debauchery such as multiple partners in one session. Then there were the women who were not so "prolific" but were openly insulted by their partners in front of their friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 1 minute ago, RochesterRob said: There is a difference between desired sexual contact and forced contact implying no consent. There are many women who would subject themselves to poor treatment in order to gain money or position in the workplace. I had a boss many years ago that had young women in his office for an hour or more that their job descriptions did not call for such extensive contact. It was no secret as to what was taking place and how that boss looked his wife in the face when he went home and the young women of which nearly all were married did the same with their husbands I'll never know. Then before the workplace was college where certain women engaged in debauchery such as multiple partners in one session. Then there were the women who were not so "prolific" but were openly insulted by their partners in front of their friends. Uh huh. And what about Trump? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 1 minute ago, oldmanfan said: Uh huh. And what about Trump? Please change your name to senileoldmanfan. We already talked about Trump. To reiterate if credible accusations of unwanted sexual contact existed the media would have steamrolled Trump a long time ago. Do you understand that quite a number of women would subject themselves to poor treatment if there was material gain to be had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 1 minute ago, RochesterRob said: Please change your name to senileoldmanfan. We already talked about Trump. To reiterate if credible accusations of unwanted sexual contact existed the media would have steamrolled Trump a long time ago. Do you understand that quite a number of women would subject themselves to poor treatment if there was material gain to be had. They did you just ignored it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Warcodered said: They did you just ignored it. Nonsense. No doubt the media investigated any claims but could not find any evidence of unwanted contact. No doubt all these women that were checked into had credibility issues. I doubt Trump could have survived charges brought by a woman of high integrity with all the other things burning around him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 8 hours ago, oldmanfan said: It did not have to ravage our country. Trump lied about it and did not do enough to slow things down. Your false comparisons to other theoretics don’t mean squat. Obama was responsible for his actions in his administration, Trump in his. Should we go go back to Buchanan screwing up slavery to absolve Trump in your eyes? Where does it end? At your job, if you do something wrong is it your responsibility, or is it the fault of the last guy who had the job, or someone who never had the job, or anyone else but yourself? and to throw out another false construct, the millions of people dying was if we had done nothing to prevent disease transmission. Thankfully we had folks like Dr. Birx and Fauci that folks listened to, instead of the Orange one. Yeah, like I said, you're not ready to have an honest discussion. No surprise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: Nonsense. No doubt the media investigated any claims but could not find any evidence of unwanted contact. No doubt all these women that were checked into had credibility issues. I doubt Trump could have survived charges brought by a woman of high integrity with all the other things burning around him. https://www.businessinsider.com/women-accused-trump-sexual-misconduct-list-2017-12 2 minutes ago, Doc said: Yeah, like I said, you're not ready to have an honest discussion. No surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 Just now, Doc said: Yeah, like I said, you're not ready to have an honest discussion. No surprise. Because you want to lay off Trump’s failings by bringing up errors made by others? We are having a discussion, and as part of that discussion I have made a point you cannot address. In all seriousness, do you have no concept of personal responsibility? You brought up that Clinton May have not done better. Who the hell cares? She didn’t have the job, Trump did. It was his responsibility and what did he say? I take no responsibility. 5 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: Nonsense. No doubt the media investigated any claims but could not find any evidence of unwanted contact. No doubt all these women that were checked into had credibility issues. I doubt Trump could have survived charges brought by a woman of high integrity with all the other things burning around him. I fully expect he will go to prison after Jan 20th; the sexual assault allegations as one of many charges that will be proved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Warcodered said: https://www.businessinsider.com/women-accused-trump-sexual-misconduct-list-2017-12 An accusation is a long ways away from undeniable proof. Were any accusations proven to be credible Trump would have been destroyed a long time ago given his stature as a political lightning rod. Should it be automatic that you are considered guilty if such allegations were made against you? Is there any reason that you could offer that would make automatically innocent? Should we dispense with an investigation and trial for you, me, senile man, etc once an accusation is made against any man (or woman for that matter). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Because you want to lay off Trump’s failings by bringing up errors made by others? We are having a discussion, and as part of that discussion I have made a point you cannot address. In all seriousness, do you have no concept of personal responsibility? You brought up that Clinton May have not done better. Who the hell cares? She didn’t have the job, Trump did. It was his responsibility and what did he say? I take no responsibility. I fully expect he will go to prison after Jan 20th; the sexual assault allegations as one of many charges that will be proved. 1 minute ago, RochesterRob said: An accusation is a long ways away from undeniable proof. Were any accusations proven to be credible Trump would have been destroyed a long time ago given his stature as a political lightning rod. Should it be automatic that you are considered guilty if such allegations were made against you? Is there any reason that you could offer that would make automatically innocent? Should we dispense with an investigation and trial for you, me, senile man, etc once an accusation is made against any man (or woman for that matter). If only there was someone close to Trump that described him doing exactly what he's been accused of, and if only it was recorded for everyone to hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Because you want to lay off Trump’s failings by bringing up errors made by others? We are having a discussion, and as part of that discussion I have made a point you cannot address. In all seriousness, do you have no concept of personal responsibility? You brought up that Clinton May have not done better. Who the hell cares? She didn’t have the job, Trump did. It was his responsibility and what did he say? I take no responsibility. I fully expect he will go to prison after Jan 20th; the sexual assault allegations as one of many charges that will be proved. I see that you are plunging into a paranoid fantasy once again. Going after a political opponent only invites the same pointed back once the political winds shift. Pelosi, Schumer, etc. can pull your chain all they want but they know the consequences of such a move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 6 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Because you want to lay off Trump’s failings by bringing up errors made by others? We are having a discussion, and as part of that discussion I have made a point you cannot address. There were multiple levels of failure which had nothing to do with Trump and which Hillary's admin would have failed at as well. Which is the honesty point you can't get around. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, Warcodered said: If only there was someone close to Trump that described him doing exactly what he's been accused of, and if only it was recorded for everyone to hear. Context of grabbing kitty? Men with lots of money have women lined up for such contact understanding the situation at hand and the client's desire to perhaps make a power play out of it. At the end of the day it still amounts to consent. What you have trouble understanding is that the rich and powerful get to play by different rules than the rest of us. Perhaps you understand and are jealous that you can't do the same with any kitty within your sights? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 Just now, RochesterRob said: Context of grabbing kitty? Men with lots of money have women lined up for such contact understanding the situation at hand and the client's desire to perhaps make a power play out of it. At the end of the day it still amounts to consent. What you have trouble understanding is that the rich and powerful get to play by different rules than the rest of us. Perhaps you understand and are jealous that you can't do the same with any kitty within your sights? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: I see that you are plunging into a paranoid fantasy once again. Going after a political opponent only invites the same pointed back once the political winds shift. Pelosi, Schumer, etc. can pull your chain all they want but they know the consequences of such a move. I have no idea what you’re trying to get at. Leaders are responsible for their decisions and their actions. Hell, EVERYONE has responsibility for their own decisions. I just said today Cuomo should get voted out because he screwed up. The difference between you and me is that you are so enchanted by a con man you excuse anything he does and you think it’s Ok for him to say he has no responsibility for over 250k people dying in this pandemic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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