clayboy54 Posted January 4, 2021 Posted January 4, 2021 I wonder if Gregg Williams' phone is ringing off the hook this morning. He told us that everybody wants to hire him as HC, right? 2 4 1
billsfan_34 Posted January 4, 2021 Posted January 4, 2021 On 12/2/2020 at 8:59 AM, GunnerBill said: About this time of year I like to look at where we stand on the coaching carousel. It has spun a few times already this season with three teams clearing house before week 13..... and the Jaguars taking the first step to what appears to be a total house cleaning there too. It will be a few years since we have had four teams that are starting over at both HC and GM spots with hard resets. So here is a reminder on where we are and a look at where we might be..... Already out: Houston Texans - Fired HC/GM Bill O'Brien - Ownership on record as wanting to hire a GM first and then begin a coaching search Detroit Lions - Fired HC Matt Patricia and GM Bob Quinn Atlanta Falcons Fire HC Dann Quin and GM Thomas Dimitroff Jacksonville Jaguars - Fired GM Dave Caldwell On the brink: Jacksonville Jaguars - HC Doug Marrone New York Jets - HC Adam Gase In trouble: Dallas Cowboys - HC Mike McCarthy Philadelphia Eagles - HC Doug Pederson Chicago Bears - HC Matt Nagy and GM Ryan Pace Los Angeles Chargers - HC Anthony Lynn The don't be shocked if: Tampa Bay Buccaneers - HC Bruce Arians Minnesota Vikings - HC Mike Zimmer I think the five Head Coaching jobs we know are going to be open will likely be joined by at least one maybe two from the in trouble list. I think Doug Pederson is in real trouble because of the regression in Carson Wentz and his inability to fix him. The Eagles next three games are Green Bay, New Orleans and Arizona, before they finish against Dallas and Washington. A 3 or 4 win season might be enough to see him fired and based on what he said yesterday Mr Lurie is already pretty ticked off. Nagy is another from the Andy Reid tree who was hand picked to develop a QB and after an initial bump has seen a regression. Now we all know that is because Trubisky just isn't very good.... but it has looked worse at times with Foles in there. If the Bears are going back to the QB well this draft is Nagy the guy they trust to develop another rookie? GM Ryan Pace is in even more trouble. He has now hired two Head Coaches that have failed and his draft picks do not make good reading for the most part. A FIFTH total house clean of the year is possible in Chi town. I suspect Mike McCarthy survives (they will make the lost his QB excuse) and Anthony Lynn might because of Herbert's development..... but I think he might not survive his awful gameday coaching. Zimmer or Arians would have to see their seasons collapse from this point which feels unlikely, though not impossible. The added sauce with Arians is the relationship with Brady. We know Tom will not be shy in politicking behind the scenes with GM Jason Licht (formerly of, you guessed it, New England) and ownership if he decides he wants to play in 2021 and wants to play for a different coach. So finally..... who are the hot candidates? I'm going to leave the college guys as I've seen lots of names banded about - Brian Kelly, Lincoln Riley, Ryan Day etc but I think this would be a strange year for a coach to leave college for the NFL with all the uncertainties around what the next offseason programme will look like and where the virus will be. There are also no obvious out of work former Head Coaches who could be considered hot candidates and so that really leaves teams looking to recruit from the existing ranks of NFL Assistant Coaches. Some of the names to watch: Guys who would be first time Head Coaches: Eric Bieniemy - Offensive Coordinator - Kansas City Chiefs - The case for Bieniemy is clear - he is the offensive coordinator of the league's most potent offense in a league in which scoring heavily is becoming ever more vital. The case against him might be that you are going to have to wait in all likelihood until after the Superbowl to hire him (putting you behind on assistant coach hires, and offseason planning) and that the heat may have gone out of the Reid offensive tree given that the previous two occupants of that post - Doug Pederson and Matt Nagy are both on the hotseat. Brian Schottenheimer - Offensive Coordinator - Seattle Seahwaks - It is 10 years since Marty's boy received Head Coaching interviews and at one point, after an unsuccessful run as the OC in St Louis, Schotty was even out of the NFL and working in college. He has rebuilt his resume nicely since then and on the back of letting Russ cook could get looks. The question for teams to work out is how much credit does he deserve? Arthur Smith - Offensive Coordinator - Tennessee Titans - Offensive coaches who run a Shanahan variant of the West Coast Offense off of the stretch zone run game have been in demand in recent years. Kyle Shanahan, Sean McVay and Matt LeFleur all landed plumb jobs. Smith's offense is probably more vanilla than theirs and would be more recognisable to Shanahan Snr but the consistency he has been able to elicit from Ryan Tannehill is going to attract looks. Given he is a Tennessee lifer the questions might be about his contacts and ability to build a strong staff in support of him as a first time HC. Brian Daboll - Offensive coordinator - Buffalo Bills - Brian Daboll, like Brian Schottenheimer, is on his second chance as an NFL OC having had OC jobs earlier in his career that didn't pan out and then reverted to being a position coach and college coordinator to rebuild his reputation. His work with Josh Allen is widely respected around the NFL but teams will want to understand if that is simply a perfect storm or whether he really has developed as a coach. Contacts are not a problem here mind you, and his ability to construct a strong staff is likely to appeal. I've already been told that Matt Patricia is a potential defensive coordinator on a Daboll ticket. Matt Eberflus - Defensive Coordinator - Indianapolis Colts - Eberflus is credited with the remarkable turnaround in the Colts defense over the past couple of years. Originally hired for Josh McDaniels he has formed a strong bond with Frank Reich and has a reputation for being a demanding and process driven coach. He is definitely the lowest profile name on this list though and selling him to a fanbase might be tricky unless the Colts have a statement win in the post-season. He spent time in Dallas where he is apparently admired by the Jones family and if Mike McCoy does end up 1 and done he is a name to keep an eye on for the Cowboys. Robert Saleh - Defensive Coordinator - San Francisco 49ers - Saleh was the hot name in a headset last year but he ended up without a seat at the table when the music stopped. However, to maintain a top 10 defense through the slew of injuries that the 9ers have suffered this season is no mean feat and he is sure to make interview shortlists again. In his favour from last time around is he is unlikely to be a guy you have to wait until after the Superbowl to hire this time but he also was apparently a "clunky" interview in his first go around the carousel in early 2020.... he will want to sharpen up his presentation to secure a gig for 2021. Retreads: Raheem Morris - Interim Head Coach - Atlanta Falcons - Raheem Morris went 17-31 in three full seasons as the Head Coach of Tampa Bay at the start of the decade. But that included a 10-6 season in his second year where he appeared to have a young team on the rise. That it took him 9 years to even get back to landing a coordinator position has always been a bit of a mystery to me but he is 4-2 as the Falcons interim coach and has impressed people in pulling the locker room back together. Did his first shot just come too early in his career or his a better lieutenant than a general? Dennis Allen - Defensive Coordinator - New Orleans Saints - If you think Morris's Head Coaching record is not impressive for a guy being talked about as possibly due another shot then you might want to look away now. Allen went 8-28 in 2 and a bit dysfunctional seasons with Oakland but he has rebuilt his reputation since becoming the defensive coordinator with the Saints. 5 years ago he inherited the worst defense in football from Rob Ryan. Today it stands as the best defense in football by yards and 5th best by points. And it is flying at the moment. In order for Allen to get looks he is going to need a strong offensive coordinator name on his ticket but if he does there might be a team out there with a mess of a defense who thinks he is worth a shot. Todd Bowles - Defensive Coordinator - Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Another defensive guy who was a below .500 Head Coach the first time around. Bowles strikes me as a guy who is in the perfect spot as a defensive coordinator. However, he has done a good job as the DC in Tampa and with them garnering national attention for obvious reasons and Bowles' flashy, aggressive, blitzing style it is not beyond the realm of possibility that he gets another shot. Good takes. I can’t see Ariens going anywhere. Time will tell. Marrone and Lynn should certainly be shown the door. Nagy most likely also. 1
PrimeTime101 Posted January 4, 2021 Posted January 4, 2021 12 minutes ago, clayboy54 said: I wonder if Gregg Williams' phone is ringing off the hook this morning. He told us that everybody wants to hire him as HC, right? EVERYONE! lol quote.. unquote.. funny stuff lol 1 1
Beast Posted January 4, 2021 Posted January 4, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, TheFunPolice said: I wouldn't be shocked if our old pal Rex Ryan comes back somewhere as a DC. Any and everyone connected to the NFL knows what a lazy piece of ***** Rex Ryan is. He wants the glamor of the NFL without putting in the work. No HC is going to want him anywhere close by. Edited January 4, 2021 by Beast 2
cba fan Posted January 4, 2021 Posted January 4, 2021 21 minutes ago, clayboy54 said: I wonder if Gregg Williams' phone is ringing off the hook this morning. He told us that everybody wants to hire him as HC, right? I bet all his friends block their caller ID #'s, then prank call Gregg hangups before he answers, every Black Monday week. 😂
Mark Vader Posted January 4, 2021 Posted January 4, 2021 2 hours ago, Just Jack said: I will laugh if WFT can knock out TB in the first round. We all want that. The No Name Team beating The Best Team That Money Can Buy in the playoffs?! That would be gold. 1
Fan in Chicago Posted January 4, 2021 Posted January 4, 2021 2 hours ago, Just Jack said: I will laugh if WFT can knock out TB in the first round. WFT doesnt have an offense to speak of. Alex Smith last night was pretty bad esp with his hampered movement. While it will be very very enjoyable, WFT doesnt have the horses to win against TB.
Jauronimo Posted January 4, 2021 Posted January 4, 2021 8 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said: WFT doesnt have an offense to speak of. Alex Smith last night was pretty bad esp with his hampered movement. While it will be very very enjoyable, WFT doesnt have the horses to win against TB. They have the horses to make Tom regret playing this season. 1
H2o Posted January 4, 2021 Posted January 4, 2021 Just now, Jauronimo said: They have the horses to make Tom regret playing this season. Lord knows I hope Young, Sweat, Kerrigan, Allen, and Payne have Tom's face planted in the dirt all game long. 1
TheFunPolice Posted January 4, 2021 Posted January 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Fan in Chicago said: Unless "management" asked him to throw the game for a higher draft pick and to sc*** the Giants in the process. (last night's game was an embarrassment to the league and insult to fans) What makes you think that ? IMO, he was a good DC once upon a time and rode some good players to success. But overall he will still be a lazy bum who wouldnt put in the work week after week to game plan for the opponents the way Daboll does for our offense Rex's defenses require Peyton Manning like guys on defense, as he had in Baltimore and NJ. His schemes work very, very well. But with young players it's too complex. Like many here I still have a bitter taste about how he treated the Bills job like a part-time gig. He really should have taken a year or two off after the Jets. He has said lately that his heart was never really into the Bills job as he still loves the Jets. I don't excuse it or like it, but on some level I get it. Imagine hating the Patriots forever (easy to do!) then you get hired as Patriots HC, mostly because you really want to be a HC and that's your only opportunity. Sure, you shouldn't take a job you're not 100% in to, but it happens all the time. I think he could be a very good DC still, if his ego allows it. He was apparently ready to play second fiddle to Andy Reid in KC, presumable because he saw it as a way to win another Super Bowl as a DC and set the stage for a HC comeback. 4 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: They have the horses to make Tom regret playing this season. Chase Young is so much fun to watch! It's rare for a DL to completely take over a game but I've seen him do it a couple of times this year.
JGMcD2 Posted January 4, 2021 Posted January 4, 2021 54 minutes ago, clayboy54 said: While I don't know if the Eagles FO wanted to lose for draft position, the NFL and Goodell ought to be looking at this today. It is a very BAD look to have a team blatantly and obviously throw a game on primetime television. It opens up a can of worms that delegitimizes the game. If this is allowed, then the NFL becomes nothing more than WWE. It throws into question the NFL's integrity and brings up the question of fixing games. It should be handled in every way like the 1919 Black Sox scandal. If this is not addressed this week, perhaps even by Congress, the NFL needs to be stripped of all anti-trust exemptions, tax benefits and public financing immediately. At the very least, Doug Pederson and any FO personnel who were party to this intentional effort to lose a game must be permanently banned from the game. Baseball is the only sport with with a total antitrust exemption. The NFL has the ability to collectively negotiate television deals, and this was granted to them by Washington, but its the only thing that resembles an antitrust exemption for the league. Otherwise they’re subject to antitrust laws.
BillsFan4 Posted January 4, 2021 Posted January 4, 2021 (edited) On 12/5/2020 at 3:06 PM, H2o said: Oh wow, I didn't know that. I was wondering what another poster meant talking about giving up picks. The teams get comp picks from the NFL, so it’s not like they’d have to give up their own picks to the chiefs. https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-owners-pass-resolution-rewarding-teams-for-developing-minority-coaches-execs Quote Teams that lose a minority coach or executive to a head coach or general manager job with another team will receive a third-round compensatory pick for two consecutive years, per Pelissero. If a team loses a minority coach and an executive to HC and GM roles, that club will receive a third-round compensatory pick for three consecutive years. According to the resolution, a team is eligible to receive draft pick compensation if the candidate in question has been "employed by the employer-club for a minimum of two years." There can be no break in employment between teams. If someone thinks Bieniemy is the right HC for their franchise I doubt they’ll be petty enough to let the NFL giving the chiefs a couple comp picks get in the way. ————— 58 minutes ago, clayboy54 said: I wonder if Gregg Williams' phone is ringing off the hook this morning. He told us that everybody wants to hire him as HC, right? Nah, he doesn’t even need to take the calls. NFL owners send him letters offering him the head coaching job without even interviewing. Duh. Quote “Since I left Buffalo, I’ve had 11 letters sent in to interview for head coaching jobs, and all of them behind the scenes I have, four of them I didn’t even have to show up, just sign the contract and come,” Williams said (yes, this is a real quote... 😂) Edited January 4, 2021 by BillsFan4 1 1
Philly McButterpants Posted January 4, 2021 Posted January 4, 2021 26 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: They have the horses to make Tom regret playing this season. I have often said that TB12's career ends on a stretcher. Some dude who is younger, faster, stronger will pop out of nowhere and knock poor Tommy into next Tuesday. Chase Young has that written all over him . . .
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted January 4, 2021 Posted January 4, 2021 4 hours ago, BillsFanSD said: You have to admire the fact that Doug Marrone convinced not one but two NFL franchises to pay him millions of dollars. He's a good role model for all the incompetents out there hoping to luck their way into success. You'd need a pretty big room to fit all the HC who have signed to big HC contracts only to leave twice. On the Bills alone, Rex, Jahron, and Chan Gailey come to mind. The only unique thing with Marrone was that he walked away from the Bills and wasn't fired. But atleast he did take Jax to playoffs, better than the three I mentioned on the Bills.
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted January 4, 2021 Posted January 4, 2021 2 hours ago, TheFunPolice said: Rex's defenses require Peyton Manning like guys on defense, as he had in Baltimore and NJ. His schemes work very, very well. But with young players it's too complex. Think Rex's defenses worked real well 10 years ago, then offenses adjusted so Rex went back and tinkered with his defenses and likely came up with ideas that would have worked however at that point they became to complicated for most of today's players to execute in the heat of the game. The only guy who seemed to be able to do it was Jim Leonard. Just saw him on TV the other day as he is now the DC as Wisconsin. The other issue too with Rex is don't think he really wanted to put the effort in that is required of todays coaches. I recall him commenting how his brother Ryan would still be working late where as he already went home. Guess he was needed there more to rub his wife's feet.
Nihilarian Posted January 4, 2021 Posted January 4, 2021 3 hours ago, Fan in Chicago said: What makes you think that ? IMO, he was a good DC once upon a time and rode some good players to success. But overall he will still be a lazy bum who wouldnt put in the work week after week to game plan for the opponents the way Daboll does for our offense I agree. Ryan's defensive is gone the way of the buggy whip. That clown took the Bills #1 D line with the #1 pass rush in the NFL and neutered it by asking those awesome pass rushers to not rush the passer, by either drop into pass coverage or stay and hold position so the crappy LBers could make plays. Wrex should be as assistant coach along with his brother Rob who is coaching the Washington LBers.
ColoradoBills Posted January 4, 2021 Posted January 4, 2021 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: I deleted the thread ... You got to love it.
YoloinOhio Posted January 4, 2021 Posted January 4, 2021 2 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: You got to love it. A black Monday tradition. Fake tweets.
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