Biden's Foreign Policy

[Tiberius]

I hope he uses the threat and/or actually makes a major move to threaten these filthy thugs with a Green New Deal proposal. Reagan used Star Wars to scare the Communists, why not push an anti-foreign oil campaign? 

 

 

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WHEN SAUDI ARABIA came under pressure to release imprisoned women’s rights activists before it hosted this month’s Group of 20 summit, it hinted they might soon be freed. “Clemency” for the women, the kingdom’s ambassador in London said, was being discussed “within our political system and within our ministry.” Now that the summit has passed, the regime is sending a very different message. Last week, four of the women were dragged back into a Riyadh court, and at least one saw her case transferred to the specialized court that handles terrorism and national security cases.

 

Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, who oversaw the arrest and torture of more than a dozen women’s rights activists in 2018, appears to be doubling down on his persecution of them. He is doing this with the full knowledge that in seven weeks, a U.S. president who has excused or ignored his human rights crimes will be replaced by one who has said that that “dangerous blank check” will be withdrawn. President-elect Joe Biden has said that he will reassess the U.S. relationship with Saudi Arabia and “make sure America does not check its values at the door to sell arms or buy oil.” 

 

Ms. Hathloul and other female activists were not put on trial until March 2019, nearly a year after the first arrests. The allegations against them had nothing to do with terrorism. A charge sheet reviewed by CNN accused Ms. Hathloul of such “crimes” as meeting with journalists and ambassadors, and applying for a job at the United Nations. Shortly after it began, the trial was suspended; no sessions had been held in more than 18 months when Ms. Hathloul and three other women — Samar Badawi, Nouf Abdulaziz and Nassima al-Sada — were returned to court on Wednesday. According to her family, Ms. Hathloul, who recently staged a hunger strike, was “shaking uncontrollably” at the court session and her voice was “faint and shaky.”

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/saudi-arabia-has-dragged-its-imprisoned-female-activists-back-into-court-how-will-biden-respond/2020/11/30/a1ee4c30-3337-11eb-b59c-adb7153d10c2_story.html

[RiotAct]

Biden’s foreign policy:

 

Apologize and blame it all on evil Trump.

[Warcodered]

Don't know if this is really Trump's fault but still it's real ***** up.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/legendary-afghan-pilot-in-hiding-after-u-s-reverses-decision-to-help-him-flee-taliban/ar-BB1bBCBe?ocid=msedgntp

[WideNine]

5 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

Don't know if this is really Trump's fault but still it's real ***** up.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/legendary-afghan-pilot-in-hiding-after-u-s-reverses-decision-to-help-him-flee-taliban/ar-BB1bBCBe?ocid=msedgntp

 

I hate what we do with our allies in that region, we do not have the best reputation for taking care of those that fight along side us. Look no further than the Kurds as well.

[Doc Brown]

I better not see him saluting a North Korean general.

[TBBills]

2 hours ago, RiotAct said:

Biden’s foreign policy:

 

Apologize and blame it all on evil Trump.

I think we had enough of doing what Trump does the past 4 years, which is blame everything on everyone else.

[SoTier]

I look forward to the POTUS NOT admiring Vladimir Putin and kissing his ass at every opportunity, including dismissing reports that Putin put bounties on American soldiers as "not reliable".    There is more evidence for Russian bounties on American soldiers than there is for the election fraud Trump keeps whining and ranting about.

[Big Gun]

25 minutes ago, SoTier said:

I look forward to the POTUS NOT admiring Vladimir Putin and kissing his ass at every opportunity, including dismissing reports that Putin put bounties on American soldiers as "not reliable".    There is more evidence for Russian bounties on American soldiers than there is for the election fraud Trump keeps whining and ranting about.

Biden will be kissing Xi Jinpings ass, that is 1000x worse than kissing Putins ass, which didn't happen by the way. 

 

God you guys are effing stupid! Anybody but Trump though, right! You might get your wish, I give it 6 months and you'll be regretting your stupid decisions! 

 

All of Bidens policies are disasters, foreign and domestic as are the people he is picking. 

 

Ohhhh, but orange man bad though, right, eff you losers!

[SoTier]

2 hours ago, Big Gun said:

Biden will be kissing Xi Jinpings ass, that is 1000x worse than kissing Putins ass, which didn't happen by the way. 

 

God you guys are effing stupid! Anybody but Trump though, right! You might get your wish, I give it 6 months and you'll be regretting your stupid decisions! 

 

All of Bidens policies are disasters, foreign and domestic as are the people he is picking. 

 

Ohhhh, but orange man bad though, right, eff you losers!

 

"Orange Man" as you call him is a wannabe dictator whom Putin played like a fiddle.    He was too f'n lazy to actually read the intelligence briefings he was given, and too much of a snowflake to allow Biden to have them after he was declared the winner of the election.   His attempts to subvert the election border on sedition, perhaps treason.   I'll settle for Cy Vance and/or Letitia James throwing his ass in jail for tax evasion and fraud committed on New Yorkers.

[shoshin]

Here's a thought. Biden could be tough on Putin and retain the chilly relationship with China. 

 

China is a tougher nut to crack but we need to stand firm. They are the real enemy. Russia is just an annoyance. 

[SoTier]

9 minutes ago, shoshin said:

Here's a thought. Biden could be tough on Putin and retain the chilly relationship with China. 

 

China is a tougher nut to crack but we need to stand firm. They are the real enemy. Russia is just an annoyance. 

 

With Biden, what you say is true.   Biden is perfectly capable of seeing both Russia and China for what they are.  

 

With Trump, Russia was a serious problem because Trump apparently desperately wanted Putin's approval was manipulated by him.   Trump wouldn't say anything bad about Putin or Russia.   Ever. This isn't fantasy. He didn't condemn the near-fatal poisoning of the Russian journalist that made world headlines in the last year.  He dismissed the reports of Russians paying bounties for killing US soldiers out of hand even when the Brits took it very seriously.  Former intelligence officials and foreign affairs experts have repeatedly noticed and remarked on Trump's regard for Putin.

[Tiberius]

One thing I really like about Ronald Reagan was that he would put pressure directly on foreign thugs as to why they had jailed a certain activist of journalist. I hope Biden is that way. So much wrong going on in the world and we have so much power (if used wisely) to get more people on our side of the freedom wall. Here’s a story from Cuba about artists protesting for freedom of expression 

 

https://www.barrons.com/news/cuba-talks-on-freedom-of-expression-break-down-statement-01607094316

 

 

 

Rare talks between Cuba's communist government and an artists' collective over freedom of expression have broken down, the Culture Ministry said Friday in a statement.

The ministry said it would not meet the collective's delegates, accusing them of receiving "funding, logistical and propaganda support from the US government and its officials."

Officials initially agreed to a dialogue over the artists' demands after a rare protest by around 300 artists and intellectuals outside its headquarters in Havana last weekend.

On 12/4/2020 at 1:27 PM, shoshin said:

Here's a thought. Biden could be tough on Putin and retain the chilly relationship with China. 

 

China is a tougher nut to crack but we need to stand firm. They are the real enemy. Russia is just an annoyance. 

Yup, they just gobbled up Hong Kong without that much fuss. Outpost of freedom has gone dark 

[Doc]

 

On 12/4/2020 at 9:47 AM, SoTier said:

I look forward to the POTUS NOT admiring Vladimir Putin and kissing his ass at every opportunity, including dismissing reports that Putin put bounties on American soldiers as "not reliable".    There is more evidence for Russian bounties on American soldiers than there is for the election fraud Trump keeps whining and ranting about.

 

LOL!  You think he's going to do a thing to Putin?

[SoTier]

2 hours ago, Tiberius said:

One thing I really like about Ronald Reagan was that he would put pressure directly on foreign thugs as to why they had jailed a certain activist of journalist. I hope Biden is that way. So much wrong going on in the world and we have so much power (if used wisely) to get more people on our side of the freedom wall. Here’s a story from Cuba about artists protesting for freedom of expression 

 

https://www.barrons.com/news/cuba-talks-on-freedom-of-expression-break-down-statement-01607094316

 

 

 

Rare talks between Cuba's communist government and an artists' collective over freedom of expression have broken down, the Culture Ministry said Friday in a statement.

The ministry said it would not meet the collective's delegates, accusing them of receiving "funding, logistical and propaganda support from the US government and its officials."

Officials initially agreed to a dialogue over the artists' demands after a rare protest by around 300 artists and intellectuals outside its headquarters in Havana last weekend.

 

 

Agreed.   The US could do a great deal to motivate the Cuban government to behave better -- grant more freedom to its citizens -- if it actually had some influence there.  Unfortunately, US policies towards Cuba over the last 60 years -- especially the boycott --- have made the US the perpetual bogeyman that the Castros can resurrect whenever their regime needs shoring up.  Nothing like an easily identifiable villain to rally the country behind a dictator in hard times.

 

IMO, it's more than time for the US to normalize it's relations with Cuba so that it can have some positive impact on the lives of the people living there.  We can't do that if we continue to pretend it's 1965 and Cuba is a puppet state of the USSR.  The Cold War is thirty years over.  Fidel Castro is dead.  John Kennedy is dead.  Nikita Khrushchev is dead.  The original Cuban refugees are either all gone or very old.   The Marielitos have been in the US for 40 years.   It's time to heal the Cuban American community by letting the old people and their children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren make peace with the past, which they really can't do as long as the festering wound of US boycott/travel ban/etc continues.    We have normalized relations with many regimes with worse human rights records and that are far more serious threats to the US than the current Cuban government.  I'm hoping that if the Dems win the Senate that the Biden Administration will move on normalization.

Edited December 6, 2020 by SoTier

[Tiberius]

1 hour ago, SoTier said:

 

Agreed.   The US could do a great deal to motivate the Cuban government to behavior better -- grant more freedom to its citizens -- if it actually had some influence there.  Unfortunately, US policies towards Cuba over the last 60 years -- especially the boycott --- have made the US the perpetual bogeyman that the Castros can resurrect whenever their regime needs shoring up.  Nothing like an easily identifiable villain to rally the country behind a dictator in hard times.

 

IMO, it's more than time for the US to normalize it's relations with Cuba so that it can have some positive impact on the lives of the people living there.  We can't do that if we continue to pretend it's 1965 and Cuba is a puppet state of the USSR.  The Cold War is thirty years over.  Fidel Castro is dead.  John Kennedy is dead.  Nikita Khrushchev is dead.  The original Cuban refugees are either all gone or very old.   The Marielitos have been in the US for 40 years.   It's time to heal the Cuban American community by letting the old people and their children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren make peace with the past, which they really can't do as long as the festering wound of US boycott/travel ban/etc continues.    We have normalized relations with many regimes with worse human rights records and that are far more serious threats to the US than the current Cuban government.  I'm hoping that if the Dems win the Senate that the Biden Administration will move on normalization.

One good thing about Florida going solid Trump Republican, is that we can completely ignore the Cuban Americans, who just want to punish Cuba and it’s people. They are not helping at all. My crazy idea is...that we make an offer to give every single Cuban $10k if their government allows them to have a free and fair election. Let everyone know so that their people want it. I know the politics of that would be hard, but adding another country to the freedom rolls would be worth it. 

 

Chinais actively spending money money to get countries under their thumb, why can’t we hold out a carrot, too. 

[oldmanfan]

I hope we re-establish alliances.

[SoTier]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

 

LOL!  You think he's going to do a thing to Putin?

 

Obviously Putin does since he's one of the few leaders -- if not the only one -- of a major country who hasn't publicly acknowledged Biden as President-elect.   He's still hoping his lackey the Snowflake-in-Chief can somehow overturn the election results.   If Putin thought he could manipulate Biden as easily as he's manipulated Trump, he wouldn't care who was POTUS.

 

18 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

One good thing about Florida going solid Trump Republican, is that we can completely ignore the Cuban Americans, who just want to punish Cuba and it’s people. They are not helping at all. My crazy idea is...that we make an offer to give every single Cuban $10k if their government allows them to have a free and fair election. Let everyone know so that their people want it. I know the politics of that would be hard, but adding another country to the freedom rolls would be worth it. 

 

Chinais actively spending money money to get countries under their thumb, why can’t we hold out a carrot, too. 

 

I don't think the US should attempt "regime change" in other countries even through the electoral process.   Almost every time the US has meddled in a country during peace time to force out the current regime and put in another one it thought better, the situation within that country became worse.   The US once supported Fidel Castro, albeit tepidly, against Fulgencio Bautista, the Cuban president.  The US sponsored a coup d'etat against Chile's democratic socialist president Salvador Allende that plunged that country into more than a decade of terror under the vile, brutal dictatorship of Augusto Pinochet.  In the 1980s, the US aided the mujahideen against the Russian puppet government supported by the Russian military, and that eventually developed into the Taliban ruling Afghanistan.   Can we honestly say that Iraqis are better off today than they were under Saddam Hussein (another dictator the US once supported BTW) before the Iraq invasion in 2003? 

 

I'd rather have the US try to encourage better behavior by governments rather than trying to change the governments themselves.  We've tried being the world's policeman, and that's exploded in our faces almost every time.   I think that a judicious use of trade and aid incentives are more likely to get countries like Cuba to give their people more freedoms than somehow forcing out the current authoritarian leaders and replacing them with other authoritarian leaders.   I think that with a country like China there's not much that the US can do unfortunately.

[Tiberius]

54 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

Obviously Putin does since he's one of the few leaders -- if not the only one -- of a major country who hasn't publicly acknowledged Biden as President-elect.   He's still hoping his lackey the Snowflake-in-Chief can somehow overturn the election results.   If Putin thought he could manipulate Biden as easily as he's manipulated Trump, he wouldn't care who was POTUS.

 

 

I don't think the US should attempt "regime change" in other countries even through the electoral process.   Almost every time the US has meddled in a country during peace time to force out the current regime and put in another one it thought better, the situation within that country became worse.   The US once supported Fidel Castro, albeit tepidly, against Fulgencio Bautista, the Cuban president.  The US sponsored a coup d'etat against Chile's democratic socialist president Salvador Allende that plunged that country into more than a decade of terror under the vile, brutal dictatorship of Augusto Pinochet.  In the 1980s, the US aided the mujahideen against the Russian puppet government supported by the Russian military, and that eventually developed into the Taliban ruling Afghanistan.   Can we honestly say that Iraqis are better off today than they were under Saddam Hussein (another dictator the US once supported BTW) before the Iraq invasion in 2003? 

 

I'd rather have the US try to encourage better behavior by governments rather than trying to change the governments themselves.  We've tried being the world's policeman, and that's exploded in our faces almost every time.   I think that a judicious use of trade and aid incentives are more likely to get countries like Cuba to give their people more freedoms than somehow forcing out the current authoritarian leaders and replacing them with other authoritarian leaders.   I think that with a country like China there's not much that the US can do unfortunately.

I’d be for a more aggressive pro-democracy foreign policy. I know the history. The big tragedy of Vietnam and Iraq and just tryin* to push home democracy with blunt force has led to a retreat by the democratic nations in world affairs to a point. Who was the main beneficiary of our isolationist movement in the 1930’s? Hitler and other thugs. If we tried, got creative and used soft power effectively we could accomplish much. And btw, for all the failures in foreign policy, we have a whole bunch of successes, South Korea, Europe freed, Japan a democracy, South America seems to be improving (we hope) and there are signs of life in Africa. There are something like three times as many democracies in the world now than in 1970, which really is something. 

[Doc]

7 hours ago, SoTier said:

Obviously Putin does since he's one of the few leaders -- if not the only one -- of a major country who hasn't publicly acknowledged Biden as President-elect.   He's still hoping his lackey the Snowflake-in-Chief can somehow overturn the election results.   If Putin thought he could manipulate Biden as easily as he's manipulated Trump, he wouldn't care who was POTUS.

 

LOL!  You'd think after the last 4 years of finding out CNN and your Dem leaders lied to you would make you see the light about the Russia bull#### conspiracy.  Instead they had you vote for Beijing Biden, who is a ***** and won't do a damn thing to anyone. 

[Tiberius]

14 hours ago, Doc said:

 

LOL!  You'd think after the last 4 years of finding out CNN and your Dem leaders lied to you would make you see the light about the Russia bull#### conspiracy.  Instead they had you vote for Beijing Biden, who is a ***** and won't do a damn thing to anyone. 

Trump's team didn't meet Russians in Trump Towers for dirt on Hillary?