Marvlevydraftdaygenius Posted November 30, 2020 Posted November 30, 2020 2 hours ago, matter2003 said: This gets thrown around way too much on this board. "Finding a way to win". This denotes the team overall played poorly, was outplayed by the other team, was losing for much of the game, but made a key play or got some luck somehow at the end and pulled it out. That wasn't what happened yesterday. Not even close. 1) The Bills never trailed and led for 57 minutes of the game. 2) Up 24-6, the 18 point deficit was the largest the Chargers have faced all year. 3) The Bills snapped the longest streak in the NFL of 12 consecutive 1 score games the Chargers have played. Now...if you want to say they didn't play their best, then yes I would agree. But they sure didn't play poorly. They made Herbert look very average to below average much of the game. They took away Allen and Williams from the passing game most of the day. They ran the ball exceptionally well. They stopped the run very well except for 1 long run. Special teams played well. They had a series of 7 plays that they probably want back that resulted in 3 turnovers. It happens. The Bills are not especially turnover prone usually. Can they play better? Yeah. Do the Bills "let other teams back into games" more than most good teams? No not really. Look around the NFL...teams that are up big ens up holding on for dear life at the end of games more often than not. Is it realistic to think they will play their best every game? No. No team in the NFL does. If you think they do, you simply don't watch much football other than the Bills games apparently. Does this mean they "found a way to win"? No. They kind of dominated the game and cruised to victory even though they hit a few potholes on the way. The game was never really in doubt at any point. Some people really need to get some perspective with their over the top dramatics. Your right, if the Bill's would have stopped the chargers on the goal line in the third quarter the game would have been a blow out. But look at the double standard miami beats the chargers by almost the exact same score and it's a blow out. And our headline is Bill's hang on.
Big Turk Posted November 30, 2020 Author Posted November 30, 2020 18 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: Ooh, I hadn't noticed that. If the oline pass blocked, it means it was an audible. THAT's what Lynn was arguing with the officials about? He thought they'd gotten the first down? Did anyone signal a first down or ask that the sticks be moved? Why would have thought they got the first down? I watched Herbert's PC after the game and he said it was an audible from him on the sneak and it was a miscommunication.
Penfield45 Posted November 30, 2020 Posted November 30, 2020 We had 3 back to back turnovers in the 4th quarter. a better team kills us and wins the game there. we did not win the game handedly lol. The game came down to a FG late in the 4th which we were lucky Bass was able to hit. We can't keep letting teams hang around until late in the game. same thing happened last season in the playoffs and we got punished for it. 1
MJS Posted November 30, 2020 Posted November 30, 2020 45 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: I think there is a rational view of the world that would like to see the Bills start stringing together four solid quarters of football so that they have a shot at going far in the playoffs. Turning the ball over three times, committing multiple personal fouls and giving up a Hail Mary all in the second half of a conference game does not set the right tone for playoff football. Glad they won. Felt awfully close for a blowout. No, actually it is an irrational view. Maybe try watching other games. It's pretty rare to see teams go out and stomp an opponent for 4 quarters. The Chiefs make mistakes. They let teams back in. They fumble it sometimes. They played from behind in every game in the playoffs last year and eventually won the Superbowl. What you want is unrealistic. Absolutely, the Bills should not be turning the ball over like that (and they usually don't), but it is pretty uncommon to go an entire game without turning it over. And it's uncommon to blow teams out. This is a good Bills team. Maybe they aren't the best team in the NFL yet, and that's fine. They are still growing and progressing. Allen is still progressing. It is irrational to believe that the Bills should be blowing out teams and never making mistakes. 2 minutes ago, Penfield45 said: We had 3 back to back turnovers in the 4th quarter. a better team kills us and wins the game there. we did not win the game handedly lol. The game came down to a FG late in the 4th which we were lucky Bass was able to hit. We can't keep letting teams hang around until late in the game. same thing happened last season in the playoffs and we got punished for it. This is just getting ridiculous. It absolutely did NOT come down to a field goal. That field goal put the team up by 10. Better teams have lost to the Bills already this season. You are insufferable. 1
Big Turk Posted November 30, 2020 Author Posted November 30, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Penfield45 said: We had 3 back to back turnovers in the 4th quarter. a better team kills us and wins the game there. we did not win the game handedly lol. The game came down to a FG late in the 4th which we were lucky Bass was able to hit. We can't keep letting teams hang around until late in the game. same thing happened last season in the playoffs and we got punished for it. I guess 85% of the teams that win these days can't keep doing this then...maybe the Chief fans should be freaking out because they almost blew a 17 point lead against TB yesterday twice at 17-0 and 27-10 amd had to burn 4+ minutes off the clock at the end of the game to hold on. But I am sure the talking heads will all be too enamored with the fact Hill had 270 yards 3 TDs and Mahomes made some great plays instead of how they didn't finish the game properly. Apparently only the Bills win games like yesterday...all other teams get big leads and then cruise to victory with their backups in for the entire 4th quarter... Edited November 30, 2020 by matter2003 1
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted November 30, 2020 Posted November 30, 2020 27 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Yea he thought they had the first. So did I to be honest but they were not given it and frankly for a coach not to check that thing is inexcusable. I just looked - they went for it on 4th 5 times in that one. Felt like a lot.
ngbills Posted November 30, 2020 Posted November 30, 2020 8 minutes ago, matter2003 said: I guess 85% of the teams that win these days can't keep doing this then...maybe the Chief fans should be freaking out because they almost blew a 17 point lead against TB yesterday twice at 17-0 and 27-10 amd had to burn 4+ minutes off the clock at the end of the game to hold on. But I am sure the talking heads will all be too enamored with the fact Hill had 270 yards 3 TDs and Mahomes made some great plays instead of how they didn't finish the game properly. Apparently only the Bills win games like yesterday...all other teams get big leads and then cruise to victory with their backups in for the entire 4th quarter... Yes many games are close. But it is also a fact that the Bills have struggled more than other teams in the 2nd half. Most points allowed or close to it.
Big Turk Posted November 30, 2020 Author Posted November 30, 2020 (edited) 26 minutes ago, ngbills said: Yes many games are close. But it is also a fact that the Bills have struggled more than other teams in the 2nd half. Most points allowed or close to it. They also average the most points scored on offense in the 4th quarter in the NFL. Or at least did going into yesterday's game. Edited November 30, 2020 by matter2003
Jrb1979 Posted November 30, 2020 Posted November 30, 2020 8 minutes ago, matter2003 said: I guess 85% of the teams that win these days can't keep doing this then...maybe the Chief fans should be freaking out because they almost blew a 17 point lead against TB yesterday twice at 17-0 and 27-10 amd had to burn 4+ minutes off the clock at the end of the game to hold on. But I am sure the talking heads will all be too enamored with the fact Hill had 270 yards 3 TDs and Mahomes made some great plays instead of how they didn't finish the game properly. Apparently only the Bills win games like yesterday...all other teams get big leads and then cruise to victory with their backups in for the entire 4th quarter... Part of the why teams to blow out others is not all to do with not playing 4 qtrs. A lot has to do with how games are reffed. I am sick and tired of the game management ref system. This isn't grade school where you have keep everyone happy by giving them a ribbon.
papazoid Posted November 30, 2020 Posted November 30, 2020 even at minus 2 on turnovers.....bills were in control
Penfield45 Posted November 30, 2020 Posted November 30, 2020 18 minutes ago, MJS said: No, actually it is an irrational view. Maybe try watching other games. It's pretty rare to see teams go out and stomp an opponent for 4 quarters. The Chiefs make mistakes. They let teams back in. They fumble it sometimes. They played from behind in every game in the playoffs last year and eventually won the Superbowl. What you want is unrealistic. Absolutely, the Bills should not be turning the ball over like that (and they usually don't), but it is pretty uncommon to go an entire game without turning it over. And it's uncommon to blow teams out. This is a good Bills team. Maybe they aren't the best team in the NFL yet, and that's fine. They are still growing and progressing. Allen is still progressing. It is irrational to believe that the Bills should be blowing out teams and never making mistakes. This is just getting ridiculous. It absolutely did NOT come down to a field goal. That field goal put the team up by 10. Better teams have lost to the Bills already this season. You are insufferable. first of all..calm down calling other fans "insufferable" because you don't agree with their opinion makes you look like a total clown. second of all, the game DID come down to that FG because had we not made that the Chargers have a clear chance to drive down the field and score a TD (Which they almost did if you saw the end of the game) the FG clinched the win for us, Bass was one of our MVP's yesterday. 1 2
MJS Posted November 30, 2020 Posted November 30, 2020 Just now, Penfield45 said: first of all..calm down calling other fans "insufferable" because you don't agree with their opinion makes you look like a total clown. second of all, the game DID come down to that FG because had we not made that the Chargers have a clear chance to drive down the field and score a TD (Which they almost did if you saw the end of the game) the FG clinched the win for us, Bass was one of our MVP's yesterday. So you take away the field goal, AND take away the defensive stop at the end, AND you still have to manufacture one more score for the Bills to lose. Yeah, totally. Make those THREE changes and the Bills lose. 1
ngbills Posted November 30, 2020 Posted November 30, 2020 Halftime - Bills up 17-6 Bills get ball to start half and score so up 24-6. LAC score on their first drive and convert 2 pt conversion - 24-14 Bills punt on next possession. LAC gets ball at 20 and drive down to Bills 25. They go for it on 4th rather than kick field goal. Would have made it a 7 point game. Bills fumble on next possession. LAC drive down to Bills 7. Have to settle for field goal. Game is now 24-17. Bills fumble next possession. Bills D forces punt Bills intercepted LAC intercepted Bills kick FG to push lead to 10 LAC gets ball and drives from own 12 to Bills 1 with 1min left. They have no clue and waste the clock. Game over. This was a one score game much of the second half. It required the Bills D to make some stops and get an Int. Some dumb play by the LAC help as well. This was not a blow out. The 24-6 lead lasted one drive and was back to a 10 point game and could have easily turned into a blown lead.
Einstein's Dog Posted November 30, 2020 Posted November 30, 2020 14 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said: Part of the why teams to blow out others is not all to do with not playing 4 qtrs. A lot has to do with how games are reffed. I am sick and tired of the game management ref system. This isn't grade school where you have keep everyone happy by giving them a ribbon. One example of that was on the offensive pass interference play. At one point the announcer said he thought it hit the ground, and then followed it up with "it doesn't matter". What? The refs didn't review it. It was less than 2 minutes to go. IMO, they should have taken a look. Shades of "let him have it" with the Pats* years ago.
JohnNord Posted November 30, 2020 Posted November 30, 2020 3 hours ago, matter2003 said: This gets thrown around way too much on this board. "Finding a way to win". This denotes the team overall played poorly, was outplayed by the other team, was losing for much of the game, but made a key play or got some luck somehow at the end and pulled it out. That wasn't what happened yesterday. Not even close. 1) The Bills never trailed and led for 57 minutes of the game. 2) Up 24-6, the 18 point deficit was the largest the Chargers have faced all year. 3) The Bills snapped the longest streak in the NFL of 12 consecutive 1 score games the Chargers have played. Now...if you want to say they didn't play their best, then yes I would agree. But they sure didn't play poorly. They made Herbert look very average to below average much of the game. They took away Allen and Williams from the passing game most of the day. They ran the ball exceptionally well. They stopped the run very well except for 1 long run. Special teams played well. They had a series of 7 plays that they probably want back that resulted in 3 turnovers. It happens. The Bills are not especially turnover prone usually. Can they play better? Yeah. Do the Bills "let other teams back into games" more than most good teams? No not really. Look around the NFL...teams that are up big ens up holding on for dear life at the end of games more often than not. Is it realistic to think they will play their best every game? No. No team in the NFL does. If you think they do, you simply don't watch much football other than the Bills games apparently. Does this mean they "found a way to win"? No. They kind of dominated the game and cruised to victory even though they hit a few potholes on the way. The game was never really in doubt at any point. Some people really need to get some perspective with their over the top dramatics. Also the 10 point deficit was the largest margin of defeat suffered by San Diego this season. I do agree that the game should’ve been won handily but I think what makes some fans uneasy is the fact that they could have put the game away much earlier. As you pointed out, the 3 turnovers kept LAC in the game. We’d like to see a more convincing win
Big Turk Posted November 30, 2020 Author Posted November 30, 2020 Just now, JohnNord said: Also the 10 point deficit was the largest margin of defeat suffered by San Diego this season. I do agree that the game should’ve been won handily but I think what makes some fans uneasy is the fact that they could have put the game away much earlier. As you pointed out, the 3 turnovers kept LAC in the game. We’d like to see a more convincing win What do you think KC fans are thinking after yesterday's game?
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted November 30, 2020 Posted November 30, 2020 Just now, matter2003 said: What do you think KC fans are thinking after yesterday's game? 543 yards - the same 27 points buffalo scored.
Big Turk Posted November 30, 2020 Author Posted November 30, 2020 9 minutes ago, ngbills said: Halftime - Bills up 17-6 Bills get ball to start half and score so up 24-6. LAC score on their first drive and convert 2 pt conversion - 24-14 Bills punt on next possession. LAC gets ball at 20 and drive down to Bills 25. They go for it on 4th rather than kick field goal. Would have made it a 7 point game. Bills fumble on next possession. LAC drive down to Bills 7. Have to settle for field goal. Game is now 24-17. Bills fumble next possession. Bills D forces punt Bills intercepted LAC intercepted Bills kick FG to push lead to 10 LAC gets ball and drives from own 12 to Bills 1 with 1min left. They have no clue and waste the clock. Game over. This was a one score game much of the second half. It required the Bills D to make some stops and get an Int. Some dumb play by the LAC help as well. This was not a blow out. The 24-6 lead lasted one drive and was back to a 10 point game and could have easily turned into a blown lead. Why do you assume their kicker would have made a 43 yard FG when he already missed an XP and has struggled all year both on FGs and XPs? Maybe that decision had more to do with his confidence in the kicker than anything else. 1
ngbills Posted November 30, 2020 Posted November 30, 2020 KC is also Super Bowl champ and not still in prove yourself mode. They have the mindset of winning it all. In addition they beat won 5 games by 2 TD's or more. The Bills have won 0 by that margin. 1 minute ago, matter2003 said: Why do you assume their kicker would have made a 43 yard FG when he already missed an XP and has struggled all year both on FGs and XPs? Maybe that decision had more to do with his confidence in the kicker than anything else. Doesn't matter. It all just shows it was a close game. The fact a FG being made or missed shows that. The Bills hung on by a thread. The starting D was on the field until the final whistle. Would be nice to let some guys get some time off late in the game once in while... 1
Big Turk Posted November 30, 2020 Author Posted November 30, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, ngbills said: KC is also Super Bowl champ and not still in prove yourself mode. They have the mindset of winning it all. In addition they beat won 5 games by 2 TD's or more. The Bills have won 0 by that margin. Doesn't matter. It all just shows it was a close game. The fact a FG being made or missed shows that. The Bills hung on by a thread. The starting D was on the field until the final whistle. Would be nice to let some guys get some time off late in the game once in while... So did a lot of other teams yesterday as they do every week. Let's stop pretending most teams win in blowouts. If this was the case the Steelers would be treated like they are 5-5 with the number of nail biters they have played this year. The Bills never trailed and the game was never really in doubt. Edited November 30, 2020 by matter2003 1 1
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