disco Posted November 30, 2020 Posted November 30, 2020 Super random but on the broadcast they mentioned the first hail mary that drew OPI was actually dropped going to the ground. Anybody catch if it was complete or not? Clearly not important but just curious if they should have declined the penalty and gotten the ball on downs instead of giving up the next hail mary.
YoloinOhio Posted November 30, 2020 Posted November 30, 2020 57 minutes ago, balln said: so we keep saying bills won by two scores while no other team has done that as some sort of trophy. THey very well could have scored at the end. Then bills up by 3. Still not a defense. Bills O is inconsistent. Team overall isnt playoff ready The Bills could have scored at the end too. Then Bills up by 17.
Penfield45 Posted November 30, 2020 Posted November 30, 2020 28 minutes ago, Johnnycage46 said: How spoiled/entitled. Be happy, we are 8-3. It's a good thing! I think most fans are concerned about what happened last season. We let teams stick around all season long and everyone said not to worry about it bc of our record...until it finally came back to bite us in the 1 game that mattered most in the playoffs. The teams inability to close out games is very concerning at the moment. that type of mentality drags into the playoffs just like it did last season. 1
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted November 30, 2020 Posted November 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Penfield45 said: I think most fans are concerned about what happened last season. We let teams stick around all season long and everyone said not to worry about it bc of our record...until it finally came back to bite us in the 1 game that mattered most in the playoffs. The teams inability to close out games is very concerning at the moment. that type of mentality drags into the playoffs just like it did last season. im concerned like most should be. However, I’m very happy we are 8-3 and have a “signature win” over the Seahawks. at this point I’m hoping we stay relatively healthy for the playoffs and then anything can happen. I think the frustration with the Bills is that it seems like they can hang with any team but can also lose to almost anyone; which is not a great recipe for repeated long playoff runs.
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 30, 2020 Posted November 30, 2020 17 minutes ago, disco said: Super random but on the broadcast they mentioned the first hail mary that drew OPI was actually dropped going to the ground. Anybody catch if it was complete or not? Clearly not important but just curious if they should have declined the penalty and gotten the ball on downs instead of giving up the next hail mary. Gannon seemed pretty sure about it. I couldn’t tell, and the ref was literally right there, so not sure how he could miss it. I was hoping for a booth review of the play. If it was incomplete, then we decline the OPI and the game is over. I just think the refs weren’t thinking about it.
sonyab1974 Posted November 30, 2020 Posted November 30, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, A Firm Tree Does Not Fear said: Man! What happened to the Jets?!?!? Edited November 30, 2020 by sonyab1974
folz Posted November 30, 2020 Posted November 30, 2020 (edited) Just for some perspective on how the defense played: Herbert has been averaging 26 comps./game for a 67% avg. comp. rate. He is averaging 300 yards/gm, 2.4 TDs/gm, and 21 rushing yards/gm. Today he had 31 comps. for a 60% comp. rate, 316 pass yards, 1 TD, -2 rushing yards. So, the Bills held him to 7 yards less than his average yards from scrimmage, 7% less than his average comp. %, and 1.4 TDs below his average. Not a huge drop off, but the D didn't let him hurt us. (Not to mention that 55 of his passing yards came on that prayer he threw up in the closing minute of the game on 4th down and 27.) Keenan Allen is averaging 9 receptions for 93 yards and 1 TD Today he was held to 4 receptions for 40 yards and a TD The Chargers were averaging 143.2 rushing yards per game. The Bills held them to 76 rushing yards today (and that was with the return of Austin Ekeler, who has been out for the last 8 games. He is probably their best offensive weapon and the last eight teams that played the Chargers didn't have to face him---so that should be factored in as well. He had 129 all purpose yards today---how much better would the Chargers have been over the last eight games with him?). The Bills were in command the entire way. If not for the turnovers, I don't think that anyone is upset with this game. Don't forget that one of the turnovers happened at the Chargers 22. That should have been 3 or 7 automatic points. And both of the other turnovers happened at mid-field, just after a big Bills play, as they were rolling. Take back one of those turnovers and its a 13 or 17 point victory. Take back two and it could have been a 20-24 point margin of victory. No question, the Bills need to hold onto the ball. But if not for those turnovers (which were out of character---at least that many in one game), this would have probably been a blow out. I'm not excusing the turnovers, just trying to give some perspective. No doubt they have to clean that up. But, the only other game they had 3 TOs this year was the Tennessee game. They are averaging 1.45 turnovers/game (as opposed to 3). It would be good to get that down to one or under though. And I'm not faulting them for the penalties, because I thought that the majority of them were BS. Josh deserved the taunting call, but most of the other big penalties were on the refs, not the Bills. I think there was only 1 pre-snap penalty (Feliciano got called for a false start), which is a huge improvement from the Arizona game. And to those who feel they can not be critical without getting called out, it isn't that you can't be critical of the Bills or the game they played, what people are reacting to is the negative attitude (the Bills are never going to win a playoff game, we can't beat any good teams, we're not as good as KC, Pitt, Tenn, Balt, Cle, Mia). Most don't have a problem discussing what went wrong in the game, where the Bills need to improve, etc., but that's not what a lot of the negative posts are. The negative ones tend to come from a defeatist attitude that the Bills and Bills fans are trying to overcome. We're 8-3 (a lucky Hail Mary away from 9-2), leading the division, still getting healthier, still improving. Enjoy the ride and stop worrying about if our wins look pretty or not. It's a week to week league, do whatever you can to advance and move on. Worrying about KC in a divisional round playoff game right now doesn't help anything and you can't predict that future yet anyhow, so take one game at a time. Enjoy the positives, point out the negatives, and move on to the next one. But, have a little faith too. Edited November 30, 2020 by folz 3 2 3
EmotionallyUnstable Posted November 30, 2020 Posted November 30, 2020 You know what the other teams staff puts their players in a position to be successful, and exploit match-ups, and how we refer to this as “out-coached”? What is the appropriate terminology for the opposite, where as your coaches aren’t necessarily contributing to the aforementioned advantage, but the opposing coach is negatively hurting their chances? Under-coached?
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 30, 2020 Posted November 30, 2020 1 hour ago, CincyBillsFan said: I disagree on Allen. He was having a brutally efficient game in piloting the Bills to a 24 - 6 lead half way through the 3rd quarter. He was completing 75% of his passes had one TD pass and one TD run. And hadn't made a mistake. On their first TD drive Allen's well placed deep ball drew a PI that set up the Bills at 1st & goal. At this point Allen was playing at an A level. Then Singleterry loses that fumble and the bottom drops out on Allen for the next two series with a careless INT and fumble. But for most of the game Allen played very well. The Bills approached this game differently and it was working until all the weird stuff happened in the 4th quarter. Finished the game 18/24 which is 75% completion as well. Morse took responsibility for the fumbled snap as well as for the Barkley sack. I suppose we'll never know. The play sequence leading to the INT - first of all, any plan which winds up with Knox blocking Bosa is a Plan where you Lose your Hat - a Bad Plan. So much for that 2 yd loss to Moss. I'm not good enough to figure out what's going on from broadcast film, but the protection was clearly AFU. Singletary is there, Dawkins has a shot at a block, they look like they may interfere with each other. It looks to me as though Allen's arm got hit as he threw. I'm sure some of the guys who break down film will sort this. If the ball went where Diggs was instead of wobbling off to his L, he arguably was open by Allen-to-Diggs standards. I'm gonna wait to call that an awful decision by Allen. 2
YattaOkasan Posted November 30, 2020 Posted November 30, 2020 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Chemical said: I think the frustration with the Bills is that it seems like they can hang with any team but can also lose to almost anyone; which is not a great recipe for repeated long playoff runs. Agree with most your points but we only lose to good teams. It looks like we could let any one back in but really the pats are the only bad team that even got close. I think not blowing out the Jets has left a mark on the fans. as you said we can hang with anyone and have a signature win. I’m super excited to see the coming weeks. I think we are closer to having a special season than a loss in the first round of the playoffs. Edited November 30, 2020 by YattaOkasan
Nineforty Posted November 30, 2020 Posted November 30, 2020 51 minutes ago, disco said: Super random but on the broadcast they mentioned the first hail mary that drew OPI was actually dropped going to the ground. Anybody catch if it was complete or not? Clearly not important but just curious if they should have declined the penalty and gotten the ball on downs instead of giving up the next hail mary. Replay definitely showed it moving
YoloinOhio Posted November 30, 2020 Posted November 30, 2020 (edited) 👀when did this guy become a bills fan Edited November 30, 2020 by YoloinOhio 1
ganesh Posted November 30, 2020 Posted November 30, 2020 1 hour ago, wvbillsfan said: Agree. And it’s mental mistakes that are costing us. Our ceiling is as high as any teams in the league. We just don’t play at that level consistently enough. It’s self inflicted wounds that keep us from getting there Some of that might be due to lack of continuity
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 30, 2020 Posted November 30, 2020 13 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: 👀when did this guy become a bills fan I will take him Jumping on the bandwagon. We are going to need Cuomo on our side to make sure no one pulls a stunt like they did in Santa Clara with the Niners. 2 1
jkeerie Posted November 30, 2020 Posted November 30, 2020 31 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: 👀when did this guy become a bills fan Cuomo has always touted that the Bills are the only true NY football team. 2
Penfield45 Posted November 30, 2020 Posted November 30, 2020 We were actually playing decent up until the Singletary fumble that set off a chain of bad turnovers Singletary doesn’t fumble we score on that drive and game is over 2
MJS Posted November 30, 2020 Posted November 30, 2020 39 minutes ago, jkeerie said: Cuomo has always touted that the Bills are the only true NY football team. Because they are the only NY team that brings any tax revenue to the state. 21 minutes ago, Penfield45 said: We were actually playing decent up until the Singletary fumble that set off a chain of bad turnovers Singletary doesn’t fumble we score on that drive and game is over I don't see how the turnovers are related, though. Allen was pressured all day and harassed continually by Bosa. And he had defenders on him again on that INT. So I think the pressure just got to him. And the other one was a mishandled snap, right?
NewEra Posted November 30, 2020 Posted November 30, 2020 2 hours ago, Chemical said: im concerned like most should be. However, I’m very happy we are 8-3 and have a “signature win” over the Seahawks. at this point I’m hoping we stay relatively healthy for the playoffs and then anything can happen. I think the frustration with the Bills is that it seems like they can hang with any team but can also lose to almost anyone; which is not a great recipe for repeated long playoff runs. But that hasn’t really been the case. For the most part, we beat the teams we’re supposed to beat and lose (sometimes big) to the teams that we aren’t supposed to beat. Underdogs to the chiefs and cards while losing @ the titans, who are returning the same team from the afccg. The Seattle game, while it is a signature win, it was @home against an all time bad D traveling across the country to the east coast. I feel that we can hang with any team, no question. I just don’t feel that we lose very many games that we are supposed win. We might have to sweat them out though 8 hours ago, RichRiderBills said: The Singletary fumble, the Allen pick, and the Allen fumble so late in the game just cant let me feel great. Giving up that hail mary was surreal and weird. Week in and week out, so dissapointed with Hyde, and even Poyer. Great to be 8-3 ...should go 9-3 but who knows with this crew. If you’re disappointed in Poyer week in and week out, you should stop smoking that particular kind of crack. It’s not helping 3
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