Trump 2024?

[Warcodered]

5 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Exactly and Biden did that to a certain extent as he called for reforming the police by calling for additional funding for police for mental health training.  Just the "defunding the police" slogan stuck with the Dems and Republicans were successful in exploiting that message.  Same thing with the green new deal. "Free college" also stuck with their socialist message the Republicans pushed.  It's why I think the Dems disappointed down ticket.

I agree the Dems let the Republicans paint them into what they wanted them to be seen as far too much and I think that was definitely a symptom of Biden being a very poor candidate. He didn't drive the vote with his ideas he just so happened to have an opponent that drove turnout for him better than himself. But beyond that Dems have let Republicans paint them as socialists far too freely it's gotten so bad that I'm depressed at how many people don't seem to know what the word means. It's an interesting needle they have to thread they need to find a good candidate that can push things closer towards the far left without going too far to be able energize there party. Trumps about to be gone and that's a major battery that's about to be unplugged.

12 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

You may be right and it's why he could easily be nominated again in 2024.  Can there be Trumpism without Trump?  Probably not.  Reagan is pry the most apt comparison but he was an ideologue whereas Trump just told people what they wanted to here.  In this case the far right.  His inability to even attempt to appeal to anyone outside his base cost him reelection and I think the sober Trump supporters who aren't convinced the election was stolen from him recognize this.  

The two things I'd worry about is that multiple populists have occurred at the same time, I know it's kind of comparing him to dictators but they were populists and Hitler and Mussolini were around at the same time. Hell we had McCarthy not that long after. I wouldn't just rule it out, but beyond that someone else could use Trump as a blueprint and I'm not sure someone who didn't believe their own hype pretending wouldn't be much worse.

16 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Maybe I'm just too cynical from the Obama years but maybe they can get a couple Republicans to get them to get something done through reconciliation.  A public option seems off the table assuming a Republican wins one of the Georgia special Senate elections.

It's hard to say things have been bad for a while the series of events with Obama, the recession, and the Tea Party movement have resulted in some dumb partisanship. Sadly this is probably going rely heavily on how things shake out with settling into a post Trump reality.

[Buftex]

13 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

 

 

People don't want to hear things like "defund the police" and "green new deal" in the middle of a pandemic.  Biden only won because he was viewed as a moderate candidate as the Trump team failed in their efforts to paint him as a trojan horse to the radical left.  Biden's platform was fine.

 

 

That is exactly what I meant, their messaging is horrible... this has always been an issue with Democrats, even when they are pushing something that most people (R's and D's) would get behind. 

[JaCrispy]

Trump might say he wants to run in 2024, but it’s hard for me to see it happening...he will be 78 years old, which, if I’m not mistaken, might be a record for anyone attempting to run for president...

[TBBills]

42 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

Trump might say he wants to run in 2024, but it’s hard for me to see it happening...he will be 78 years old, which, if I’m not mistaken, might be a record for anyone attempting to run for president...

Trump was the oldest at 70, Now Biden will be at 78

[SoTier]

7 minutes ago, TBBills said:

Trump was the oldest at 70, Now Biden will be at 78

 

Biden turned 78 after the election.  Trump will be 78 during the election campaign, so he would be the oldest.   More to the point, Biden is in good physical condition for a 77 year old, as evidenced by his trim physique and the fact that he bikes regularly.   Trump is obese and doesn't exercise except to walk from his golf cart to his golf ball and back 9 or 18 times when he golfs.   He also apparently had some visible physical impairments when he visited West Point back in the spring.   I don't think Trump's physical health will enable him to make another presidential run, especially if he's put under stress from the state criminal and civil legal cases that are likely to plague him for the next few years.

 

 

[WideNine]

And the fleecing of the vulnerable continues on down to the Jan 20 eviction date. And I cannot fault Trump for saying the Aliens stole the election and having folks not only buy that, but send him money too. There is a sucker born every day.

 

https://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/post-tribune/opinion/ct-ptb-davich-waiting-for-trump-tornado-to-blow-past-st-1130-20201127-ta3sxxgiyzapjogojnx2ylkymm-story.html

 

 

[Niagara Bill]

On 11/28/2020 at 7:19 PM, Tiberius said:

Trump’s Already Gaming Out a 2024 Run—Including an Event During Biden’s Inauguration

 

RUN IT BACK

He’s not yet conceded 2020 but is already looking at keeping Republicans in line and making Biden’s life miserable.

Asawin Suebsaeng

White House Reporter

Updated Nov. 28, 2020 8:25AM ET Published Nov. 28, 2020 12:15AM ET 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In the twilight of his presidency, Donald Trump is discussing different ways to disrupt the impending Joe Biden era, chief among them by announcing another run against him.

According to three people familiar with the conversations, the president, who refuses to acknowledge he lost the 2020 election as he clearly did, has not just talked to close advisers and confidants about a potential 2024 run to reclaim the White House but about the specifics of a campaign launch. The conversations have explored, among other things, how Trump could best time his announcement so as to keep the Republican Party behind him for the next four years. Two of these knowledgeable sources said the president has, in the past two weeks, even floated the idea of doing a 2024-related event during Biden’s inauguration week, possibly on Inauguration Day, if his legal effort to steal the 2020 election ultimately fails.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trumps-already-gaming-out-a-2024-run-including-an-event-during-bidens-inauguration?ref=home

 

 

We all new this would happen...if he doesn't try a coup.

He makes himself and many republicans look like a desperate joke. Imagine the next great tv show..."Conversations with trump and Rudy at the home." Matching rocking chairs, nurse Hariet, Dr. Ben Casey. 

The late night comics need trump, hope he stays around so we can continue to laugh and remind him HE LOST.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[muppy]

18 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

We all new this would happen...if he doesn't try a coup.

He makes himself and many republicans look like a desperate joke. Imagine the next great tv show..."Conversations with trump and Rudy at the home." Matching rocking chairs, nurse Hariet, Dr. Ben Casey. 

The late night comics need trump, hope he stays around so we can continue to laugh and remind him HE LOST.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

I wouldn't underestimate this. I mean it sounds crazy but there are those who are ready to bear arms over this president and the perceived unfairness of the election under the guise of fighting a righteous battle against tyranny. Im not making this up. If you sign up and read the election and fraud threads at the board which was formed as a venue for displaced posters from here its right there in print. Wether they are keyboard warriors or not is the question but the truth is both sides have their zealots and I wouldn't put it past Donald Trump to incite his more radical diehard followers to attempt a coup.......i wouldnt have thought it possible if I hadnt read it myself. Our country is a divided mess right now. 

[Warcodered]

14 minutes ago, Muppy said:

If you sign up and read the election and fraud threads at the board which was formed as a venue for displaced posters from here its right there in print.

Can't they've closed their shell so as to improve the echo can't see the politics board over there anymore. I even signed up to see if that would help but no.

[muppy]

Just now, Warcodered said:

Can't they've closed their shell so as to improve the echo can't see the politics board over there anymore. I even signed up to see if that would help but no.

you signed up as an active poster and cant see it? If you click "Bills community" then scroll down you'll see "Politics"...I feel bad even posting about that place here I only brought it up because there are some doozie posts in those threads....

[Warcodered]

2 minutes ago, Muppy said:

you signed up as an active poster and cant see it? If you click "Bills community" then scroll down you'll see "Politics"...I feel bad even posting about that place here I only brought it up because there are some doozie posts in those threads....

Signed up haven't posted there don't really have any intention to looking at the Bills Community page and it's just 4 sections no Politics.

[muppy]

3 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

Signed up haven't posted there don't really have any intention to looking at the Bills Community page and it's just 4 sections no Politics.

no what I meant is there is a tab that says "Bills Fans Community" that is the "forum directory" if you click it and scroll down you'll see the  politics forum. If you dont then I dont know what to tell you or what that means...maybe youre blocked..I dunno

Edited December 1, 2020 by Muppy

[Warcodered]

1 minute ago, Muppy said:

no what I meant is there is a tab that says "Bills Fans Community" that is the "forum directory" if you click it and scroll down you'll see the  politics forum.

I know it shows the forum directory and there is no Politics section when I look.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

49 minutes ago, Muppy said:

I wouldn't underestimate this. I mean it sounds crazy but there are those who are ready to bear arms over this president and the perceived unfairness of the election under the guise of fighting a righteous battle against tyranny. Im not making this up. If you sign up and read the election and fraud threads at the board which was formed as a venue for displaced posters from here its right there in print. Wether they are keyboard warriors or not is the question but the truth is both sides have their zealots and I wouldn't put it past Donald Trump to incite his more radical diehard followers to attempt a coup.......i wouldnt have thought it possible if I hadnt read it myself. Our country is a divided mess right now. 

We don’t always agree Mup, but I feel like we understand each other.  I’ll ask you:

 

What exactly should unity look like in 2020?  What do you mean by “the country is a divided mess right now”. 
 

What did unity look like 2016-2020?  
 

 

[WideNine]

The weird keeps getting weirder.

 

So Sidney Powell sues Republicans BRIAN KEMP; BRAD RAFFENSPERGER; DAVID J. WORLEY; REBECCA N. SULLIVAN; MATTHEW MASHBURN; and ANH LE, for Election fraud and wants the vote counting machines to be forensically examined. Captain Ahab would be proud of this fishing expedition. What I like is the fact that they claim the vote counts are fraudulent and inaccurate yet seek an order requiring Gov. Kemp to transmit certified election results that state Trump is the winner - huh?

 

Georgia did a laborious hand recount and that was not enough to satisfy the Trump cult. They now want a machine recount, but do not trust the machines, and that is not enough, they want the machines to be examined by GOP experts. Of course election workers at the county were like, "what do you want us to do??" and began resetting the machines to "0" so they could begin the machine-based recount, but Sidney Powell files an injunction to stop resetting machines and preserve the prior data - I am guessing preserving original ballot totals in the machines....all this seems designed to try to prevent electors from certifying and casting the GA votes for Biden.

 

A judge steps in and at first issues the injunction to preserve the voting machines, then reverses the injunction on the grounds that Sidney Powell did not have valid defendants listed (should have the election boards from counties in question - assuming just those Trump lost), then later he reissued an injunction. Meanwhile all those recount poll workers are in a holding pattern while this farce plays out.

 

Copy of the original suit from Powell:

https://beta.documentcloud.org/documents/20417898-second-order-pearson-v-kemp-11292020

 

Plaintiffs being a collection of scam artist and cobbled together Trump zeolots....

 

Plaintiffs seek the following relief for their alleged Dominion scam

1. An order directing Governor Kemp, Secretary Raffensperger and the Georgia State Board of Elections to de-certify the election results;
2. An order enjoining Governor Kemp from transmitting the currently certified election results to the Electoral College;
3. An order requiring Governor Kemp to transmit certified election results that state that President Donald Trump is the winner of the election;
4. An order that no votes received or tabulated by machines that were not certified as required by federal and state law be counted;
5. A declaratory judgment declaring that Georgia Secretary of State Rule 183-1-14-0.9-.15 violates O.C.G.A. § 21-2-386(a)(2) and the Electors and Elections Clause, U.S. Const. Art. I, § 4;
6. A declaratory judgment that Georgia’s failed system of signature verification violates the Electors and Elections Clause by working a de facto abolition of the signature verification requirement;
7. A declaratory judgment declaring that current certified election results violate the Due Process Clause, U.S. Const. Amend. XIV;
8. A declaratory judgment declaring that mail-in and absentee ballot fraud must be remedied with a Full Manual Recount or statistically valid sampling that properly verifies the signatures on absentee ballot envelopes and that invalidates the certified results if 3 the recount or sampling analysis shows a sufficient number of ineligible absentee ballots were counted;
9. An emergency declaratory judgment that voting machines be seized and impounded immediately for a forensic audit by plaintiffs’ experts;
10. A declaratory judgment declaring absentee ballot fraud occurred in violation of Constitutional rights and election laws under state law;
11. A permanent injunction prohibiting the Governor and Secretary of State from transmitting the currently certified results to the Electoral College based on the overwhelming evidence of election tampering; and
12. Immediate production of 36 hours of security camera recording of all rooms used in the voting process at State Farm Arena in Fulton County, GA from 12:00 AM November 3, 2020 to 12:00 PM on November 4, 2020.

[Warcodered]

8 minutes ago, WideNine said:

The weird keeps getting weirder.

 

So Sidney Powell sues Republicans BRIAN KEMP; BRAD RAFFENSPERGER; DAVID J. WORLEY; REBECCA N. SULLIVAN; MATTHEW MASHBURN; and ANH LE, for Election fraud and wants the vote counting machines to be forensically examined. Captain Ahab would be proud of this fishing expedition. What I like is the fact that they claim the vote counts are fraudulent and inaccurate yet seek an order requiring Gov. Kemp to transmit certified election results that state Trump is the winner - huh?

 

Georgia did a laborious hand recount and that was not enough to satisfy the Trump cult. They now want a machine recount, but do not trust the machines, and that is not enough, they want the machines to be examined by GOP experts. Of course election workers at the county were like, "what do you want us to do??" and began resetting the machines to "0" so they could begin the machine-based recount, but Sidney Powell files an injunction to stop resetting machines and preserve the prior data - I am guessing preserving original ballot totals in the machines....all this seems designed to try to prevent electors from certifying and casting the GA votes for Biden.

 

A judge steps in and at first issues the injunction to preserve the voting machines, then reverses the injunction on the grounds that Sidney Powell did not have valid defendants listed (should have the election boards from counties in question - assuming just those Trump lost), then later he reissued an injunction. Meanwhile all those recount poll workers are in a holding pattern while this farce plays out.

 

Copy of the original suit from Powell:

https://beta.documentcloud.org/documents/20417898-second-order-pearson-v-kemp-11292020

 

Plaintiffs being a collection of scam artist and cobbled together Trump zeolots....

 

Plaintiffs seek the following relief for their alleged Dominion scam

1. An order directing Governor Kemp, Secretary Raffensperger and the Georgia State Board of Elections to de-certify the election results;
2. An order enjoining Governor Kemp from transmitting the currently certified election results to the Electoral College;
3. An order requiring Governor Kemp to transmit certified election results that state that President Donald Trump is the winner of the election;
4. An order that no votes received or tabulated by machines that were not certified as required by federal and state law be counted;
5. A declaratory judgment declaring that Georgia Secretary of State Rule 183-1-14-0.9-.15 violates O.C.G.A. § 21-2-386(a)(2) and the Electors and Elections Clause, U.S. Const. Art. I, § 4;
6. A declaratory judgment that Georgia’s failed system of signature verification violates the Electors and Elections Clause by working a de facto abolition of the signature verification requirement;
7. A declaratory judgment declaring that current certified election results violate the Due Process Clause, U.S. Const. Amend. XIV;
8. A declaratory judgment declaring that mail-in and absentee ballot fraud must be remedied with a Full Manual Recount or statistically valid sampling that properly verifies the signatures on absentee ballot envelopes and that invalidates the certified results if 3 the recount or sampling analysis shows a sufficient number of ineligible absentee ballots were counted;
9. An emergency declaratory judgment that voting machines be seized and impounded immediately for a forensic audit by plaintiffs’ experts;
10. A declaratory judgment declaring absentee ballot fraud occurred in violation of Constitutional rights and election laws under state law;
11. A permanent injunction prohibiting the Governor and Secretary of State from transmitting the currently certified results to the Electoral College based on the overwhelming evidence of election tampering; and
12. Immediate production of 36 hours of security camera recording of all rooms used in the voting process at State Farm Arena in Fulton County, GA from 12:00 AM November 3, 2020 to 12:00 PM on November 4, 2020.

They filed an injunction against their own recount?

 

I mean a hand audit of the paper ballots makes this entirely irrelevant anyway.

[WideNine]

1 minute ago, Warcodered said:

They filed an injunction against their own recount?

 

I mean a hand audit of the paper ballots makes this entirely irrelevant anyway.

 

I am not sure the judge understands how these Dominion machines (ImageCast X in Georgia's case) work.

 

A voter makes their electronic choices and a paper copy of their choices is printed and uniquely linked to the electronic record. The person casting their vote then verifies their paper copy reflects the choices they made electronically and they give that to a poll worker. The paper ballot totals are the audit gold standard to verify that the electronic totals match. 

 

That whole Democracy Suite of voting products from Dominion is federally certified and they used the same systems in their primaries sans all the sudden fraud drama. Per Dominion's site: Every Dominion system is certified by federal and state election authorities for use, and we make continuous improvements to our products throughout their lifecycle.

 

So yeah, I am not sure what they would be looking for and why a judge would entertain this nonsense.

 

 

 

[Niagara Bill]

9 hours ago, Muppy said:

I wouldn't underestimate this. I mean it sounds crazy but there are those who are ready to bear arms over this president and the perceived unfairness of the election under the guise of fighting a righteous battle against tyranny. Im not making this up. If you sign up and read the election and fraud threads at the board which was formed as a venue for displaced posters from here its right there in print. Wether they are keyboard warriors or not is the question but the truth is both sides have their zealots and I wouldn't put it past Donald Trump to incite his more radical diehard followers to attempt a coup.......i wouldnt have thought it possible if I hadnt read it myself. Our country is a divided mess right now. 

I have said on this site for months that he wants to get to January before the coup begins. Suddenly Biden is charged by Justice dept. Maybe an armed conflict in the world, a bow for fixing the pandemic and 401ks in good shape.

Seems like a recipe for postponing Jan 20th. He already has Supreme court, fired key people from CIA and FBI, replaced Def dept peeps.....all part of the coup plan.

[T master]

On 11/28/2020 at 11:47 PM, TBBills said:

Trump is tearing the republican party into two... This is extremely good for democrats. All the democrats have to do is not ***** it up and they could have a decade of dominance.

 

It would be nice if they could work together for the betterment of all and just interject a little common sense !

 

The reason why the gov't and the country is so divided is because none of the politicians have the balls to to anything other than the same ole crap lets just follow the map laid out .

 

The life long politicians and others behind the curtain don't care about any of us as the people or the country they live in and the foundations that were laid out that made this country as great as it once was . It's all about what they can do for them to stay in office for the long run so they get their free stuff .

 

Have you ever known a life long politician to complain about anything after they leave office ? No because it's all at our expense they all get real comfy and quite after they leave with all their free stuff until it's time to vote to keep the free bees coming for those that do or don't vote .

 

America has become lazy just ask a young American born and bread of any color to put down their iphone or iPad long enough to do manual labor there are a few out there (thank you to those parents) but not as many as there once was because they have learned or been taught to manipulate (or vote) for what they can get for "FREE"  !

 

Sure there are those that we need to help that have a debilitating disease or some kind of health issue which is no fault of their own those folks truly need our help .

 

It use to be if you wanted to do better or make more money you got another job, worked longer hrs or just showed your company that you were a good worker and worth getting raises from your good work ethic then the person that is not motivated to do any better gets pissed and believes they should get the same even if they don't work for it .

 

Now it's all about what can i get for free ! From what i was taught nothing is ever free it all comes at a cost or sacrifice of some kind ! 

 

It's FREE health care, FREE college, FREE SS, FREE citizenship or how many texts can i get away with while i'm on the clock while getting paid or how can i sneak off and take a nap while at work and still get paid for it ?

 

It's no longer what Kennedy said  "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country" It is now the exact opposite ! 

 

Ask not what you can do for the country but what the country can do for you  !  Todays new age way of thinking .

 

That's why the country and politicians are so divided because there is a bunch of old school people that got what they have by hard work or getting a good education and being responsible and paying for it then there are those that were raised with this new age thinking . Refer to the sentence before this one .

 

JMHO !  

 

 

 

 

 

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

22 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

We don’t always agree Mup, but I feel like we understand each other.  I’ll ask you:

 

What exactly should unity look like in 2020?  What do you mean by “the country is a divided mess right now”. 
 

What did unity look like 2016-2020?  
 

 

@Muppy what say you?