ChiGoose Posted September 19 Posted September 19 12 minutes ago, Motorin' said: He went on to say exactly how big the audience was, the audience watching on television. This is the thing you don't seem to get, 95% of your opinion on Trump had been formed by the media imputing the worst possible meaning while taking Trump's words out of context. Just like you did here. 95% of my opinion on Trump has been formed by Trump. For a while, when he was president I even had notifications on for his tweets. It was pretty revealing. I’d suggest checking out his Truth social page. It’s like the rantings of that weird uncle everyone is a little concerned about. 1
mjd1001 Posted September 19 Posted September 19 7 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: 95% of my opinion on Trump has been formed by Trump. For a while, when he was president I even had notifications on for his tweets. It was pretty revealing. I’d suggest checking out his Truth social page. It’s like the rantings of that weird uncle everyone is a little concerned about. I'll agree with you almost totally. When I speak to/with people who support him and I say that I don't, they almost always come back with "you listen to cnn or msnbc too much". Nope, thats not true at all. I actually watch his interviews, I read what he says directly. And I agree with your conclusion. I really do not like Harris or Biden all that much. If Harris gets elected, I'll survive. I won't like it but I'll be OK. Hopefully we'll get a split congress so not much of consequence will happen for the next 4 years. But its Trump....the only way I can say it is give me a different republican candidate. Someone who doesn't ramble like he is losing his mind with age. Someone who isn't triggered by talk about 'crowd size'. Someone with some dignity, someone who doesn't resort to juvenile name calling. Someone who will talk about conservative POLICY they want to implement and do so more by saying why they want to do it and less just complaining about the Democrats. I'd LOVE to vote for a republican like that over almost any democrat...but Trump? He is the absolute opposite of just about any of those things that I look for in a leader. I don't want, nor need, an 'alpha male' as president. 1 1
Motorin' Posted September 19 Posted September 19 2 minutes ago, mjd1001 said: I'll agree with you almost totally. When I speak to/with people who support him and I say that I don't, they almost always come back with "you listen to cnn or msnbc too much". Nope, thats not true at all. I actually watch his interviews, I read what he says directly. And I agree with your conclusion. I really do not like Harris or Biden all that much. If Harris gets elected, I'll survive. I won't like it but I'll be OK. Hopefully we'll get a split congress so not much of consequence will happen for the next 4 years. But its Trump....the only way I can say it is give me a different republican candidate. Someone who doesn't ramble like he is losing his mind with age. Someone who isn't triggered by talk about 'crowd size'. Someone with some dignity, someone who doesn't resort to juvenile name calling. Someone who will talk about conservative POLICY they want to implement and do so more by saying why they want to do it and less just complaining about the Democrats. I'd LOVE to vote for a republican like that over almost any democrat...but Trump? He is the absolute opposite of just about any of those things that I look for in a leader. I don't want, nor need, an 'alpha male' as president. Fair enough. I think you'll also be fine when Trump is President again.
mjd1001 Posted September 19 Posted September 19 4 minutes ago, Motorin' said: Fair enough. I think you'll also be fine when Trump is President again. True, I would be. Financially I think I'll be fine no matter what. Its just disappointing. Its like, having to choose between 2 really bad choices...when at least one party (Republicans) potentially have policy on their side that I actually like, just give us (yeah, there are a lot of us that feel this way) a decent candidate from your side to vote for. We don't need someone special....the Republicans (historically, I don't want increased tariffs) have policy on the side I want. I'll vote that way with just a decent candidate. It shouldn't be too hard. 1
ChiGoose Posted September 19 Posted September 19 27 minutes ago, mjd1001 said: I'll agree with you almost totally. When I speak to/with people who support him and I say that I don't, they almost always come back with "you listen to cnn or msnbc too much". Nope, thats not true at all. I actually watch his interviews, I read what he says directly. And I agree with your conclusion. Yeah, it’s just the reflexive defense: “you don’t like Trump, so you must be the stereotype of a liberal I have in my head” I don’t watch tv news at all. I think cable news and the 24/7 news cycle are terrible for this country. People who support Trump should just read his Truth Social account and ask themselves: “Is this the person I would want working for me? Babysitting my kids? Running the country?” 1 1
SCBills Posted September 19 Posted September 19 1 hour ago, ChiGoose said: People who support Trump should just read his Truth Social account and ask themselves: “Is this the person I would want working for me? Babysitting my kids? Running the country?” No. No. Yes. Im not hiring an employee or looking for a babysitter. Im voting for the leader of this country and I have two options. My main concerns are freedom of speech, the economy, ending foreign wars and sane control over the border/migration. On all those topics, the candidate reflecting my values range from lean Trump to heavy advantage Trump. With the other candidate being a legitimate threat to my views on those issues. I find Trump to be an exhausting man child, but this isn’t tough for me. Nevermind the terrible precedent being set by Democrats moving forward if they’re able to win consecutive elections by hiding their candidate from the press, relying on the media carrying their water, along with a swap done simply because the elected candidate was going to lose. 2 1
Motorin' Posted September 19 Posted September 19 1 hour ago, ChiGoose said: Yeah, it’s just the reflexive defense: “you don’t like Trump, so you must be the stereotype of a liberal I have in my head” I don’t watch tv news at all. I think cable news and the 24/7 news cycle are terrible for this country. People who support Trump should just read his Truth Social account and ask themselves: “Is this the person I would want working for me? Babysitting my kids? Running the country?” I get it, you'd rather be told lies like "Biden is sharp as a tack and totally in charge" with an even keel temperament by the same monotone liars who appear to be sterilely steering the world into WWIII. Anecdotally, I recently asked a good friend of mine who is a fellow Chicago liberal if they'd been watching any of the transcribed Russian political TV personalities. The ones who have been aggressively yelling for preemptive nuclear strikes against Ukraine and NATO. And they said, oh yeah, they're just like Trump. Which couldn't be further from the truth. Trump has constantly advocated for an end to the Ukraine war and peace in the world. But that's what the "typical liberal I imagine in my head" seems to do, equate how a tweet makes them feel with literal threats of world ending violence.
Doc Posted September 19 Posted September 19 54 minutes ago, Motorin' said: I get it, you'd rather be told lies like "Biden is sharp as a tack and totally in charge" with an even keel temperament by the same monotone liars who appear to be sterilely steering the world into WWIII. Anecdotally, I recently asked a good friend of mine who is a fellow Chicago liberal if they'd been watching any of the transcribed Russian political TV personalities. The ones who have been aggressively yelling for preemptive nuclear strikes against Ukraine and NATO. And they said, oh yeah, they're just like Trump. Which couldn't be further from the truth. Trump has constantly advocated for an end to the Ukraine war and peace in the world. But that's what the "typical liberal I imagine in my head" seems to do, equate how a tweet makes them feel with literal threats of world ending violence. Trump was a Putin puppet and trying to destroy NATO. Don't you know that's why Putin didn't invade Ukraine when he was President and no new wars started?
B-Man Posted September 20 Posted September 20 Donald Trump was truly at his best when he appeared on Greg Gutfeld's show. Not for an interview, not for a rally, just an appearance like any other guest on Greg's show and it was honestly his best showing yet. Yes, he's awesome at his rallies and yes, we all enjoy his social media feed (ok, so the Left doesn't BUT you get our point) but last night, just being himself, hanging out with people who weren't trying to argue with him or catch him in a GOTCHA ... Trump was just Trump. And Americans were reminded of who he really is, and what he's actually capable of accomplishing in and for this country. What we saw last night was a reminder of how charming and humble the guy really is. Honestly, we spend so much time being inundated by a mainstream media who hates the guy that we can sometimes forget who it is we're voting for. Oh sure, we know damn well anyone is better than the imbecile Democrats appointed who nobody voted for in the first place BUT seeing him in that environment ... YUGE for him. https://twitchy.com/samj/2024/09/19/trump-on-gutfeld-as-a-guest-so-good-n2401165 1
Big Blitz Posted September 20 Posted September 20 If it’s this close in VA and she’s not even at 49 percent this thing is over. I’m at the point I no longer want to talk 2024 election. She’s a moron. It’s pathetic what they did to Biden and made a mockery of the American people in coercing him out. From the debate designed to end him to his “I’m out” tweet 8 days after they shot Trump. It’s embarrassing. Absolutely embarrassing. 1 1
Backintheday544 Posted September 20 Posted September 20 Not a good look for Trump. 57 percent of a 4848 sample says he shouldn’t be president with 20 percent undecided. This is going to be a landslide for Harris. 1
Big Blitz Posted September 21 Posted September 21 5 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said: Extending leads at Polymarket Uh oh! Nate Silver’s company really still caking in those reliable Q and MC polls. Btw, where were the polls this week - they are all missing again.
Backintheday544 Posted September 21 Posted September 21 (edited) 10 hours ago, Big Blitz said: Uh oh! Nate Silver’s company really still caking in those reliable Q and MC polls. Btw, where were the polls this week - they are all missing again. and just like that Harris is tied in PA on Polymarket but that is good to point out he inefficiencies in Polymarket vs a regular betting site. ooooo and a high quality PA poll hit last night How bad is this PA poll and the other recent PA polls? If Trump loses PA, he needs GA, NC, AZ, and to peel off either MI or WI to win. That ain't happening. Harris has a clear map advantage headed into early voting. Edited September 21 by Backintheday544
Backintheday544 Posted September 21 Posted September 21 There’s no Trump-mentum: https://abcnews.go.com/US/harris-trump-august-fundraising-fec-filings/story?id=113893128 This comes after the Harris campaign and the DNC raised $257 million in the month of August, while the Trump campaign and the RNC raised $85 million the same month, filings show. Trump's Save America PAC's new filing also shows that it spent nearly $2 million on legal bills in August, with one of Trump's lawyers, Todd Blanche, receiving more than $1 million of that sum. Of the $85 million- $5 million came from 1 guy! Lol oh and Oprah raised $100 million at her event the other day. More than Trump did in all of August in 1 day!!!
Joe Ferguson forever Posted September 21 Posted September 21 (edited) On 9/19/2024 at 9:48 AM, Motorin' said: He went on to say exactly how big the audience was, the audience watching on television. This is the thing you don't seem to get, 95% of your opinion on Trump had been formed by the media imputing the worst possible meaning while taking Trump's words out of context. Just like you did here. As someone who didn't vote for him in 2016 or 2020, it's become painfully obvious that pundits and commentators have told thousands of lies about what the man has said. Over an over and over. What we're doing here is little more than virtual signalling. "Orange man bad, makes me a good boy. Orange man dumb, makes me a smart boy." And how would he know that a tv audience cheered wildly for him? The post debate opinion polls certainly didn't indicate that. The benefit of the doubt you extend this pathological liar is disturbing. It's almost as if you believe there is no truth...which is exactly what the authoritarian wanna bes desire. There's a well worn handbook on it. Edited September 21 by Joe Ferguson forever 1
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