Trump 2024?

[Tiberius]

Trump’s Already Gaming Out a 2024 Run—Including an Event During Biden’s Inauguration

 

RUN IT BACK

He’s not yet conceded 2020 but is already looking at keeping Republicans in line and making Biden’s life miserable.

Asawin Suebsaeng

White House Reporter

Updated Nov. 28, 2020 8:25AM ET Published Nov. 28, 2020 12:15AM ET 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In the twilight of his presidency, Donald Trump is discussing different ways to disrupt the impending Joe Biden era, chief among them by announcing another run against him.

According to three people familiar with the conversations, the president, who refuses to acknowledge he lost the 2020 election as he clearly did, has not just talked to close advisers and confidants about a potential 2024 run to reclaim the White House but about the specifics of a campaign launch. The conversations have explored, among other things, how Trump could best time his announcement so as to keep the Republican Party behind him for the next four years. Two of these knowledgeable sources said the president has, in the past two weeks, even floated the idea of doing a 2024-related event during Biden’s inauguration week, possibly on Inauguration Day, if his legal effort to steal the 2020 election ultimately fails.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trumps-already-gaming-out-a-2024-run-including-an-event-during-bidens-inauguration?ref=home

 

 

[TBBills]

If he wants to run a third party he is more than welcome to

 

He will also need to escape the legal charges he faces after he becomes a private citizen again... 

Edited November 29, 2020 by TBBills

[Tiberius]

3 minutes ago, TBBills said:

If he wants to run a third party he is more than welcome to

 

He will also need to escape the legal charges he faces after he becomes a private citizen again... 

He can use the publicity of his legal problems to his advantage. The Deep State is out to get him. Good luck finding a jury to find him guilty. 

[Doc Brown]

The Trump movement is alive and well.  The trick will be finding someone with similar policies that is more palatable to the American public.  Eighty million people voted mostly to not have to deal with four more years of hearing Trump's name every time they turned on the tv.

[Iron Maiden]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

He can use the publicity of his legal problems to his advantage. The Deep State is out to get him. Good luck finding a jury to find him guilty. 

 

Unlike what his campaign has been putting in front of Judges this last month, I believe the State of New York will have ....what's the word I'm looking for....oh yeah!....Evidences !!

Edited November 29, 2020 by Iron Maiden

[Tiberius]

7 minutes ago, Iron Maiden said:

 

Unlike what his campaign has been putting in front of Judges this last month, I believe the State of New York will have ....what's the word I'm looking for....oh yeah!....Evidences !!

True, but the most important part of a trail, is the jury. Just look at the Senate as an extreme example. There was plenty of evidence Trump is unfit for office, but 70 million Americans voted for the idiot. 

[Warcodered]

7 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

True, but the most important part of a trail, is the jury. Just look at the Senate as an extreme example. There was plenty of evidence Trump is unfit for office, but 70 million Americans voted for the idiot. 

I mean it's possible but part of the job vetting a jury that they do before trials is seeing if they have a bias and if they'd convict someone of the crime on trial if proven to them.

[TBBills]

3 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

The Trump movement is alive and well.  The trick will be finding someone with similar policies that is more palatable to the American public.  Eighty million people voted mostly to not have to deal with four more years of hearing Trump's name every time they turned on the tv.

Trump is tearing the republican party into two... This is extremely good for democrats. All the democrats have to do is not ***** it up and they could have a decade of dominance.

Edited November 29, 2020 by TBBills

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, TBBills said:

Trump is tearing the republican party into two... This is extremely good for democrats. All the democrats have to do is not ***** it up and they could have a decade of dominance.

No he isn't.  They just need to find somebody that pushes the same agenda that doesn't retweet Quanon tweets at three in the morning or calls athletes who kneel SOB's.

 

There's more of a schism with the Democrat party.  They under performed down ballot.  They were supposed to take the Senate.  They didn't.  They were supposed to gain seats in the House.  They didn't.  Eighty million Americans finally said enough of this Trump guy and voted for the guy who wasn't Trump because he's a sane moderate.  However, they made a statement voting for a Republican down ballot (or just voting for Biden).  Dems better get their crap together or they're going to be wiped out in 2022 and 2024.  That means getting rid of Pelosi and finding a Speaker to stand up and distance themselves from the more radical part of the party.  

[Warcodered]

1 hour ago, Doc Brown said:

No he isn't.  They just need to find somebody that pushes the same agenda that doesn't retweet Quanon tweets at three in the morning or calls athletes who kneel SOB's.

 

There's more of a schism with the Democrat party.  They under performed down ballot.  They were supposed to take the Senate.  They didn't.  They were supposed to gain seats in the House.  They didn't.  Eighty million Americans finally said enough of this Trump guy and voted for the guy who wasn't Trump because he's a sane moderate.  However, they made a statement voting for a Republican down ballot (or just voting for Biden).  Dems better get their crap together or they're going to be wiped out in 2022 and 2024.  That means getting rid of Pelosi and finding a Speaker to stand up and distance themselves from the more radical part of the party.  

I do remember thinking one of my bigger worries would be that someone far more competent would follow in Trumps absurd footsteps. I would say though that some of that conspiracy talk and railing against athletes kneeling is a part of what makes him so popular. He's a populist he gains popularity by firing up his supporters against an other a kind of enemy people can blame their problems on which falls into a shadowy government conspiracies or rich athletes.

[Tiberius]

4 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

No he isn't.  They just need to find somebody that pushes the same agenda that doesn't retweet Quanon tweets at three in the morning or calls athletes who kneel SOB's.

 

There's more of a schism with the Democrat party.  They under performed down ballot.  They were supposed to take the Senate.  They didn't.  They were supposed to gain seats in the House.  They didn't.  Eighty million Americans finally said enough of this Trump guy and voted for the guy who wasn't Trump because he's a sane moderate.  However, they made a statement voting for a Republican down ballot (or just voting for Biden).  Dems better get their crap together or they're going to be wiped out in 2022 and 2024.  That means getting rid of Pelosi and finding a Speaker to stand up and distance themselves from the more radical part of the party.  

So if Trump doesn’t go away is that good or bad for Dems? Will be interesting to see if Republicans can find a disciplined Trump like person to run. 

 

The down ballot flop for Dems could get better or worse with the Georgia run off. If the Dems get beat up there then Biden has no agenda to govern with, really. He will be a lame duck place holder which might actually help hold the house in 2022 and who knows about the senate. 

 

A double win in Georgia and the Dems might have a civil war. I mean what will they put at the front of their agenda? Cl8mate change? Health care? Probably economic relief which will be expensive and Republicans can attack. The country just wants to get back to normal but climate change needs addressed. But with half the country thinking it’s a another civil hoax, good luck with that. 

11 hours ago, Warcodered said:

I mean it's possible but part of the job vetting a jury that they do before trials is seeing if they have a bias and if they'd convict someone of the crime on trial if proven to them.

The jury selection process actually can be used to find jurors WITH biases. It only takes one juror to not want to convict. The OJ legal team used computers back in the 90’s to find the right jurors, think how much more info they have now! 

[Kemp]

If Trump is not in prison and alive in 2024, he will be the nominee, again, if he so desires. If he doesn't want it, bet on his backing either Don Jr. or Ivanka, and whomever he supports will get the nomination.

 

The only funny thing about this is that idiots like Marco Rubio have cut their own throats as far as their own political aspirations.

 

Remember that Trump cult members are total morons. If Trump was in prison, they would still vote for him.

[SoTier]

13 hours ago, Tiberius said:

True, but the most important part of a trail, is the jury. Just look at the Senate as an extreme example. There was plenty of evidence Trump is unfit for office, but 70 million Americans voted for the idiot. 

 

The trial would be held in the SDNY -- New York City and environs -- where even a jury of Manhattan millionaires would likely find him guilty of whatever the AG or DA charged him with even without evidence because ol' Covid Donnie has cheated and defrauded so many of them or their families or friends.

 

 

[JaCrispy]

21 hours ago, TBBills said:

Trump is tearing the republican party into two... This is extremely good for democrats. All the democrats have to do is not ***** it up and they could have a decade of dominance.

This is an interesting observation...I, agree to some extent...I wonder, however, if it goes a little further than that...

 

There definitely seems to be a restructuring going on.  But I almost think it is happening in both parties.

 

You have the “Never Trump” Republicans that seem to be teaming up with Democrats.  And then you have long time “Old School” Democrats that seem to be teaming up with Republicans. Then you have Trump, himself, who used to be a Democrat, but is now a Republican...

 

So, in a way, I agree with what you said.  There definitely seems to be movement taking place...But I think it might be both parties that are re-evaluating their ideologies...

Edited November 30, 2020 by JaCrispy

[Buftex]

20 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

No he isn't.  They just need to find somebody that pushes the same agenda that doesn't retweet Quanon tweets at three in the morning or calls athletes who kneel SOB's.

 

There's more of a schism with the Democrat party.  They under performed down ballot.  They were supposed to take the Senate.  They didn't.  They were supposed to gain seats in the House.  They didn't.  Eighty million Americans finally said enough of this Trump guy and voted for the guy who wasn't Trump because he's a sane moderate.  However, they made a statement voting for a Republican down ballot (or just voting for Biden).  Dems better get their crap together or they're going to be wiped out in 2022 and 2024.  That means getting rid of Pelosi and finding a Speaker to stand up and distance themselves from the more radical part of the party.  

I mostly agree with this...but I am not sure about the last part.  Not saying Pelosi doesn't have to go...but what do you do?  That radical part of the party is a pretty substantial part of the party.  Without them, it is another 4 years of Trump.  To be honest, I think she did a pretty admirable job, under the circumstances. I know she is blamed in large part for the party underperforming, but the party is just as fractured as the Repbublican party, in many ways.  It wasn't 2 days after  Biden was projected winner,  that the divisions only got wider.  I would like to see somebody younger, who has the skill to make some of those "radical" positions of the far left a more maistream part of the party. If that doesn't happen, the Dems lose the White House in 2024.  The things that are so "radical" shouldn't really be all that conrtoversial.  Dems have always done a poor job of messaging...

Edited November 30, 2020 by Buftex

[Doc Brown]

19 hours ago, Warcodered said:

I do remember thinking one of my bigger worries would be that someone far more competent would follow in Trumps absurd footsteps. I would say though that some of that conspiracy talk and railing against athletes kneeling is a part of what makes him so popular. He's a populist he gains popularity by firing up his supporters against an other a kind of enemy people can blame their problems on which falls into a shadowy government conspiracies or rich athletes.

He's unique in that he somehow has the ability to bring out low propensity voters to vote for him and even more low propensity voters to vote against him.  That's why you had record turnout this election.  I think if a more palatable Trump like figure with the same populist agenda would win in 2024 rather easily if the economy enters even a mild recession.

 

39 minutes ago, Buftex said:

I mostly agree with this...but I am not sure about the last part.  Not saying Pelosi doesn't have to go...but what do you do?  That radical part of the party is a pretty substantial part of the party.  Without them, it is another 4 years of Trump.  To be honest, I think she did a pretty admirable job, under the circumstances. I know she is blamed in large part for the party underperforming, but the party is just as fractured as the Repbublican party, in many ways.  It wasn't 2 days after  Biden was projected winner,  that the divisions only got wider.  I would like to see somebody younger, who has the skill to make some of those "radical" positions of the far left a more maistream part of the party. If that doesn't happen, the Dems lose the White House in 2024.  The things that are so "radical" shouldn't really be all that conrtoversial.  Dems have always done a poor job of messaging...

People don't want to hear things like "defund the police" and "green new deal" in the middle of a pandemic.  Biden only won because he was viewed as a moderate candidate as the Trump team failed in their efforts to paint him as a trojan horse to the radical left.  Biden's platform was fine.

 

One thing the Democrats now have is a news media that will give Democrats more coverage and won't be focused solely on Trump.  First priority should be assisting small businesses and the unemployed until the vaccine is widely distributed enough so we can get back to a normal life.  The Republicans will be brutal in the Senate at agreeing with any bill Biden in the House try to pass as they were rewarded for being unprecedented obstructionists under Obama.  Biden is somehow going to have to use the bully pulpit to get a deal done.

[Warcodered]

14 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

He's unique in that he somehow has the ability to bring out low propensity voters to vote for him and even more low propensity voters to vote against him.  That's why you had record turnout this election.  I think if a more palatable Trump like figure with the same populist agenda would win in 2024 rather easily if the economy enters even a mild recession.

I mostly agree but I do think some of his unpalatability is what rallies his supporters to an extent.

15 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

People don't want to hear things like "defund the police" and "green new deal" in the middle of a pandemic.  Biden only won because he was viewed as a moderate candidate as the Trump team failed in their efforts to paint him as a trojan horse to the radical left.  Biden's platform was fine.

They definitely shouldn't of called it "defund the police" that was an obvious mistake makes people think you're promoting lawlessness. I understand why calling it "police reform" wasn't ideal either as it has apparently come to mean broken promises in some communities. I think a better term and honestly more accurate would of been "police restructuring". The "green new deal" is tougher republicans did a good job of taking a goal list and pretending like it was actual policy ideas. I think the best thing they could do is come up with some actual less extreme potential policy changes to fight climate change and come up with their own name.

20 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

One thing the Democrats now have is a news media that will give Democrats more coverage and won't be focused solely on Trump.  First priority should be assisting small businesses and the unemployed until the vaccine is widely distributed enough so we can get back to a normal life.  The Republicans will be brutal in the Senate at agreeing with any bill Biden in the House try to pass as they were rewarded for being unprecedented obstructionists under Obama.  Biden is somehow going to have to use the bully pulpit to get a deal done.

I honestly hope if republicans maintain control of the Senate, which is likely despite Trump disenfranchising voters with his fraud claims, that they're able to work with Democrats to get some things done. Otherwise it's just going to be more of them being complete obstructionists and the Democrats putting things in front of them to make them look terrible for doing it or at least that'd be their logical plan.

[TBBills]

Republicans remember to not vote in 2024, b.c the election has already been decided

[Thurman#1]

47 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

He's unique in that he somehow has the ability to bring out low propensity voters to vote for him and even more low propensity voters to vote against him.  That's why you had record turnout this election.  I think if a more palatable Trump like figure with the same populist agenda would win in 2024 rather easily if the economy enters even a mild recession.

 

 

IMO there's no such thing as a Trump-like figure.

 

He's a one-off. Not since Huey P Long. The things that make him so popular, omni-present and hard to beat are his mastery of public relations and his outsider status. There's nobody else out there like that in politics. If there were, he or she would be president if Democrat or a massive and unmistakable figure waiting in the wings and ready to step in if Republican.

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, Warcodered said:

 

They definitely shouldn't of called it "defund the police" that was an obvious mistake makes people think you're promoting lawlessness. I understand why calling it "police reform" wasn't ideal either as it has apparently come to mean broken promises in some communities. I think a better term and honestly more accurate would of been "police restructuring". The "green new deal" is tougher republicans did a good job of taking a goal list and pretending like it was actual policy ideas. I think the best thing they could do is come up with some actual less extreme potential policy changes to fight climate change and come up with their own name.

Exactly and Biden did that to a certain extent as he called for reforming the police by calling for additional funding for police for mental health training.  Just the "defunding the police" slogan stuck with the Dems and Republicans were successful in exploiting that message.  Same thing with the green new deal. "Free college" also stuck with their socialist message the Republicans pushed.  It's why I think the Dems disappointed down ticket.

 

37 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

IMO there's no such thing as a Trump-like figure.

 

He's a one-off. Not since Huey P Long. The things that make him so popular, omni-present and hard to beat are his mastery of public relations and his outsider status. There's nobody else out there like that in politics. If there were, he or she would be president if Democrat or a massive and unmistakable figure waiting in the wings and ready to step in if Republican.

You may be right and it's why he could easily be nominated again in 2024.  Can there be Trumpism without Trump?  Probably not.  Reagan is pry the most apt comparison but he was an ideologue whereas Trump just told people what they wanted to here.  In this case the far right.  His inability to even attempt to appeal to anyone outside his base cost him reelection and I think the sober Trump supporters who aren't convinced the election was stolen from him recognize this.  

1 hour ago, Warcodered said:

I honestly hope if republicans maintain control of the Senate, which is likely despite Trump disenfranchising voters with his fraud claims, that they're able to work with Democrats to get some things done. Otherwise it's just going to be more of them being complete obstructionists and the Democrats putting things in front of them to make them look terrible for doing it or at least that'd be their logical plan.

Maybe I'm just too cynical from the Obama years but maybe they can get a couple Republicans to get them to get something done through reconciliation.  A public option seems off the table assuming a Republican wins one of the Georgia special Senate elections.