Mark Vader Posted November 27, 2020 Posted November 27, 2020 2 hours ago, Ghost_002! said: i was referring to NE...i can give a damn about Patricia. I dont even want him back in NE. only other coach i care about is Flores and he is doing a fine job in miami. only took him 2 years to rebuild that team....most teams take longer than that. They weren't expected to win as many games as they did last year and even this year is a bit of a surprise. O'Brien actually was pretty good in Houston up until this year(well up until the moment he traded Hopkins). Even did a great job at Penn State. Won more playoff games than your coach right now. Then why even respond to my post when I wasn't even talking about New England?
Doc Posted November 27, 2020 Posted November 27, 2020 7 minutes ago, Groin said: My only real surprise in all of this is that NE brought in Newton as its QB. I can't think of a less Belichick'ian player than Newton. For years, NE had this myth surrounding them that they knew how to develop QBs. It appears that they developed them to trade them, and notable examples are Jimmy G and Brissett. They literally picked Newton over Stidham. I had been wondering when hubris would swallow NE, and it looks like it has. They didn't have a plan at QB once Brady left. There's no way they saw Stidham in practice all last year and said "that's our franchise QB." And Newton could have been long gone by the time they signed him, which was almost 3-1/2 months after FA started. Yeah, they got lucky with Brady and those guys you mentioned, plus Cassel, had success initially after getting the chance to start, but faded to backup status fairly quickly. Hopefully they struggle to find a good QB for decades. 1
TheCockSportif Posted November 27, 2020 Posted November 27, 2020 1 minute ago, Doc said: They didn't have a plan at QB once Brady left. There's no way they saw Stidham in practice all last year and said "that's our franchise QB." And Newton could have been long gone by the time they signed him, which was almost 3-1/2 months after FA started. Yeah, they got lucky with Brady and those guys you mentioned, plus Cassel, had success initially after getting the chance to start, but faded to backup status fairly quickly. Hopefully they struggle to find a good QB for decades. Correct, and that's where the hubris point comes in. They didn't get a first rounder for Jimmy G. They traded Brissett for another player (a good one, but not a QB). They literally hitched their wagons to... Cam Newton.
Cotton Fitzsimmons Posted November 27, 2020 Posted November 27, 2020 9 hours ago, LikeIGiveADarn said: Amazing how much it's looking like Brady covered for BB. Gents, if we flash back 20 years and Bledsoe never gets hurt, chances are BB would’ve been canned and we would talk about him today as a guy who was a great DC, but not a good HC. His whole schtick which has included multiple instances of outright cheating would have probably netted the kind of middling record he has had pre and post Brady. 1
Ghost_002! Posted November 27, 2020 Posted November 27, 2020 (edited) 32 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said: I asked who you root for and why you feel the need to post here... basically you’re not a Bills fan, so why take the time to post here? Okay, but what facts are you presenting in the 2nd half of your post here? You’re presenting an opinion, with absolutely zero facts to back it up. Is there a statistic that shows how often QBs convert in that situation? Are you telling me Cam Newton, a former NFL MVP and NFC Champion doesn’t know how to handle those situations? Insert any other DT and MAYBE they don’t force a fumble and the Patriots win the game? I mean you’re not presenting objective facts, you’re presenting an opinion. So for your first sentence. I root for NE. but this gets asked all the time, like other fans travel to other fans forum, nothing new..What I am doing here is no different than anything you would not see in a dolphins fan forum or even in a 49ers fan forum. What is the problem with me being here? I am have not taken any shot at the bills. and no I didn't give a opinion but a fact. Newton was careless with the ball because all running backs and ball carriers are taught to hold the ball on the outside to reduce the chances of a defender knocking the ball out, he was quoted and said it falls on him..because he is so use to holding the ball in his right hand, even though he was told and knows he should be handling the ball in his outside hand. I'm not implying that he is incapable, but that the situation calls for your QB to hold onto the football to give your team a chance to win. And as I described, it isn't something that only elite QBs can achieve in. and you want to act like the percentages aren't high for a offense marching down the field, ball on the 20 to score? OF course a lot can happen, but the percentages are high an NFL offense could score in that moment and no my post did not say the Pats would win...i said they "could" of won. Edited November 27, 2020 by Ghost_002!
TBBills Posted November 27, 2020 Posted November 27, 2020 Only one guy can do the Patriot way and even he needed Brady to keep everyone else in line.
JGMcD2 Posted November 27, 2020 Posted November 27, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said: So for your first sentence. I root for NE. but this gets asked all the time, like other fans travel to other fans forum, nothing new..What I am doing here is no different than anything you would not see in a dolphins fan forum or even in a 49ers fan forum. What is the problem with me being here? I am have not taken any shot at the bills. and no I didn't give a opinion but a fact. Newton was careless with the ball because all running backs and ball carriers are taught to hold the ball on the outside to reduce the chances of a defender knocking the ball out. I not implying that he is incapable, but that the situation calls for your QB to hold onto the football to give your team a chance to win. And as i described, it isn't something that only an elite QBs can achieve in. and you want to act like the percentages aren't high for a offense marching down the field, ball on the 20 couldn't score? OF course a lot can happen, but the percentages are high an NFL offense could score in that moment. And no my post did not say the Pats would win...i said they "could" of won. Never said there was an issue with you being here. Okay that’s what they’re taught... who’s to say another QB running there doesn’t put it in the wrong arm and get the ball knocked out? We’re playing the same game here... the what if game... ultimately we don’t know... but stating someone else would execute isn’t a “fact” that’s an opinion. You’re presenting facts but the whole argument isn’t rooted in fact, it’s rooted in opinion with some facts being used to support it. Easy to confuse, but much different. Edited November 27, 2020 by JGMcD2
Doc Posted November 27, 2020 Posted November 27, 2020 21 minutes ago, Groin said: Correct, and that's where the hubris point comes in. They didn't get a first rounder for Jimmy G. They traded Brissett for another player (a good one, but not a QB). They literally hitched their wagons to... Cam Newton. True, it's entirely possible they did see Stidham as a good QB... 13 minutes ago, Cotton Fitzsimmons said: Gents, if we flash back 20 years and Bledsoe never gets hurt, chances are BB would’ve been canned and we would talk about him today as a guy who was a great DC, but not a good HC. His whole schtick which has included multiple instances of outright cheating would have probably netted the kind of middling record he has had pre and post Brady. Belicheat owes Mo Lewis...
Ghost_002! Posted November 27, 2020 Posted November 27, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said: Never said there was an issue with you being here. Okay that’s what they’re taught... who’s to say another QB running there doesn’t put it in the wrong arm and get the ball knocked out? We’re playing the same game here... the what if game... ultimately we don’t know... but stating someone else would execute isn’t a “fact” that’s an opinion. You’re presenting facts but the whole argument isn’t rooted in fact, it’s rooted in opinion with facts being used to support it. Easy to confuse, but much different. You asked the question like it was a problem. What does it matter who i root for? I didnt come in here screaming "the bills suck" I came in and stated clearly what was my point. And as i said..when i said "you" I didnt mean directly you..but posters who come in with baseless opinions... Me bring up the point of someone else could of QB that situation..was actually a response to someone claiming the bills finally won because brady wasnt on the field. My statement was to say...the bills winning had nothing to do with brady not being here and more Newton being carless with the ball....it's not an opinion....he clearly wasn't careful with the ball and as you act like I do not know if the patriots or any team would be successful in that moment... https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/red-zone-scoring-pct NFL Team Red Zone Scoring Percentage (TD only) More Team Stats... Season: 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 Date: Rank Team 2020 Last 3 Last 1 Home Away 2019 1 Minnesota 78.12% 80.00% 100.00% 81.25% 75.00% 60.66% 2 Seattle 77.78% 54.55% 50.00% 87.50% 70.00% 64.62% 3 Arizona 74.29% 70.00% 100.00% 61.90% 92.86% 45.28% 4 Green Bay 73.68% 70.00% 75.00% 73.33% 73.91% 67.86% 5 Tampa Bay 72.09% 58.33% 100.00% 81.25% 66.67% 64.81% 6 Tennessee 71.79% 50.00% 40.00% 82.61% 56.25% 77.36% 7 Pittsburgh 69.44% 77.78% 100.00% 65.00% 75.00% 35.00% 8 Cleveland 67.74% 28.57% 33.33% 55.00% 90.91% 58.00% 9 Kansas City 67.50% 72.73% 80.00% 68.42% 66.67% 60.00% 10 San Francisco 66.67% 60.00% 33.33% 53.33% 76.19% 55.56% 11 New Orleans 65.91% 73.33% 75.00% 64.00% 68.42% 59.32% 12 LA Rams 65.79% 72.73% 100.00% 60.00% 69.57% 64.41% 13 Philadelphia 63.33% 71.43% 50.00% 61.11% 66.67% 63.16% 14 Buffalo 62.50% 66.67% 100.00% 65.38% 57.14% 56.52% 15 Miami 61.54% 63.64% 33.33% 60.00% 63.16% 56.25% 16 Las Vegas 61.54% 69.23% 80.00% 65.00% 57.89% 52.83% 17 Jacksonville 61.29% 50.00% 0.00% 61.54% 61.11% 40.43% 18 Detroit 60.00% 66.67% 75.00% 63.16% 57.14% 59.52% 19 Carolina 59.46% 72.73% 40.00% 63.16% 55.56% 58.00% 20 Houston 59.38% 55.56% 33.33% 43.75% 75.00% 62.71% 21 LA Chargers 58.82% 58.33% 40.00% 50.00% 71.43% 52.83% 22 Baltimore 58.82% 50.00% 25.00% 57.14% 61.54% 64.71% 23 Washington 58.33% 58.33% 50.00% 57.89% 58.82% 48.78% 24 New England 56.25% 66.67% 50.00% 60.00% 52.94% 49.21% 25 Indianapolis 55.26% 50.00% 50.00% 68.75% 45.45% 64.29% 26 Cincinnati 52.94% 60.00% 33.33% 52.94% 52.94% 43.75% 27 Atlanta 51.43% 36.36% 0.00% 55.56% 47.06% 51.67% 28 Dallas 50.00% 33.33% 0.00% 50.00% 50.00% 57.41% 29 Denver 48.28% 44.44% 25.00% 57.14% 40.00% 47.62% 30 NY Giants 48.15% 77.78% 66.67% 46.15% 50.00% 57.14% 31 Chicago 48.15% 50.00% 0.00% 50.00% 47.06% 52.17% 32 NY Jets 38.10% 80.00% 100.00% 23.08% 62.50% 54.55% As you can see...in most cases...teams in the NFL are pretty successful in the redzone....so i was not given an "opinion" about the portability of the pats being successful on that last drive. Edited November 27, 2020 by Ghost_002!
YoloinOhio Posted November 27, 2020 Author Posted November 27, 2020 26 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said: So for your first sentence. I root for NE. but this gets asked all the time, like other fans travel to other fans forum, nothing new..What I am doing here is no different than anything you would not see in a dolphins fan forum or even in a 49ers fan forum. What is the problem with me being here? I am have not taken any shot at the bills. and no I didn't give a opinion but a fact. Newton was careless with the ball because all running backs and ball carriers are taught to hold the ball on the outside to reduce the chances of a defender knocking the ball out, he was quoted and said it falls on him..because he is so use to holding the ball in his right hand, even though he was told and knows he should be handling the ball in his outside hand. I'm not implying that he is incapable, but that the situation calls for your QB to hold onto the football to give your team a chance to win. And as I described, it isn't something that only elite QBs can achieve in. and you want to act like the percentages aren't high for a offense marching down the field, ball on the 20 to score? OF course a lot can happen, but the percentages are high an NFL offense could score in that moment and no my post did not say the Pats would win...i said they "could" of won. 2
JGMcD2 Posted November 27, 2020 Posted November 27, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said: You asked the question like it was a problem. What does it matter who i root for? I didnt come in here screaming "the bills suck" I came in and stated clearly what was my point. And as i said..when i said "you" I didnt mean directly you..but posters who come in with baseless opinions... Me bring up the point of someone else could of QB that situation..was actually a response to someone claiming the bills finally won because brady wasnt on the field. My statement was to say...the bills winning had nothing to do with brady not being here and more Newton being carless with the ball....it's not an opinion....he clearly wasn't careful with the ball and as you act like I do not know if the patriots or any team would be successful in that moment... https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/red-zone-scoring-pct NFL Team Red Zone Scoring Percentage (TD only) More Team Stats... Season: 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 Date: Rank Team 2020 Last 3 Last 1 Home Away 2019 1 Minnesota 78.12% 80.00% 100.00% 81.25% 75.00% 60.66% 2 Seattle 77.78% 54.55% 50.00% 87.50% 70.00% 64.62% 3 Arizona 74.29% 70.00% 100.00% 61.90% 92.86% 45.28% 4 Green Bay 73.68% 70.00% 75.00% 73.33% 73.91% 67.86% 5 Tampa Bay 72.09% 58.33% 100.00% 81.25% 66.67% 64.81% 6 Tennessee 71.79% 50.00% 40.00% 82.61% 56.25% 77.36% 7 Pittsburgh 69.44% 77.78% 100.00% 65.00% 75.00% 35.00% 8 Cleveland 67.74% 28.57% 33.33% 55.00% 90.91% 58.00% 9 Kansas City 67.50% 72.73% 80.00% 68.42% 66.67% 60.00% 10 San Francisco 66.67% 60.00% 33.33% 53.33% 76.19% 55.56% 11 New Orleans 65.91% 73.33% 75.00% 64.00% 68.42% 59.32% 12 LA Rams 65.79% 72.73% 100.00% 60.00% 69.57% 64.41% 13 Philadelphia 63.33% 71.43% 50.00% 61.11% 66.67% 63.16% 14 Buffalo 62.50% 66.67% 100.00% 65.38% 57.14% 56.52% 15 Miami 61.54% 63.64% 33.33% 60.00% 63.16% 56.25% 16 Las Vegas 61.54% 69.23% 80.00% 65.00% 57.89% 52.83% 17 Jacksonville 61.29% 50.00% 0.00% 61.54% 61.11% 40.43% 18 Detroit 60.00% 66.67% 75.00% 63.16% 57.14% 59.52% 19 Carolina 59.46% 72.73% 40.00% 63.16% 55.56% 58.00% 20 Houston 59.38% 55.56% 33.33% 43.75% 75.00% 62.71% 21 LA Chargers 58.82% 58.33% 40.00% 50.00% 71.43% 52.83% 22 Baltimore 58.82% 50.00% 25.00% 57.14% 61.54% 64.71% 23 Washington 58.33% 58.33% 50.00% 57.89% 58.82% 48.78% 24 New England 56.25% 66.67% 50.00% 60.00% 52.94% 49.21% 25 Indianapolis 55.26% 50.00% 50.00% 68.75% 45.45% 64.29% 26 Cincinnati 52.94% 60.00% 33.33% 52.94% 52.94% 43.75% 27 Atlanta 51.43% 36.36% 0.00% 55.56% 47.06% 51.67% 28 Dallas 50.00% 33.33% 0.00% 50.00% 50.00% 57.41% 29 Denver 48.28% 44.44% 25.00% 57.14% 40.00% 47.62% 30 NY Giants 48.15% 77.78% 66.67% 46.15% 50.00% 57.14% 31 Chicago 48.15% 50.00% 0.00% 50.00% 47.06% 52.17% 32 NY Jets 38.10% 80.00% 100.00% 23.08% 62.50% 54.55% As you can see...in most cases...teams in the NFL were pretty successful in the redzone last season....so i was not given an "opinion" about the portability of being successful in the redzone. I mean I asked specifically because fandom usually causes people to behave in certain ways and hold certain opinions. I’m just curious where you’re coming from... most fans also don’t have the bandwidth to watch all 32 teams and under the nuances of each organization, their games, etc. I can’t restrict your posting, it’s more for my knowledge. Doing rough math it looks like the average TD conversion rate was around 55% last year? I mean it’s not necessarily a guarantee. It’s closer to a coin toss than a guarantee. EDIT: My rough math was REALLY good. It was 56% last year. Edited November 27, 2020 by JGMcD2
Ghost_002! Posted November 27, 2020 Posted November 27, 2020 Just now, JGMcD2 said: I mean I asked specifically because fandom usually causes people to behave in certain ways and hold certain opinions. I’m just curious where you’re coming from... most fans also don’t have the bandwidth to watch all 32 teams and under the nuances of each organization, their games, etc. I can’t restrict your posting, it’s more for my knowledge. Doing rough math it looks like the average TD conversion rate was around 55% last year? I mean it’s not necessarily a guarantee. It’s closer to a coin toss than a guarantee. Well other fans travel to other fans forums. And if you are a football fan like myself...you follow who you can follow, plus with the technology now a days, "NFL redzone" you can see everyone...but i been a fan since 86 so...i like talking football. I would hope you shouldn't feel the need to restrict my post. I don't feel i am doing anything but having a football conversation. From a different point of view, but still a football convo. Your last sentience ok, cool. I wasn't speaking from a guaranteed stand point but more from a probable stand point.
Solomon Grundy Posted November 27, 2020 Posted November 27, 2020 8 hours ago, Coffeesforclosers said: The Patriot Way consists of: 1. Tom Brady 2. Ten feet of BS 3. Bill Belichick 4. 30 feet of BS 5. A bunch of kool aid drinking assistants chanting "Do Your Job!" To be brief, F "the Patriot Way"!!!!!
JGMcD2 Posted November 27, 2020 Posted November 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said: Well other fans travel to other fans forums. And if you are a football fan like myself...you follow who you can follow, plus with the technology now a days, "NFL redzone" you can see everyone...but i been a fan since 86 so...i like talking football. I would hope you shouldn't feel the need to restrict my post. I don't feel i am doing anything but having a football conversation. From a different point of view, but still a football convo. Your last sentience ok, cool. I wasn't speaking from a guaranteed stand point but more from a probable stand point. Yeah you see snippets of things. Not necessarily the whole story. Well from a probability standpoint it's essentially a coin toss...
GoBills808 Posted November 27, 2020 Posted November 27, 2020 The patriot way- luck into the greatest QB of all time in the 6th round And everyone wonders why it hasn't been replicated elsewhere...lol
Ghost_002! Posted November 27, 2020 Posted November 27, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said: Yeah you see snippets of things. Not necessarily the whole story. Well from a probability standpoint it's essentially a coin toss... Yea you are free to look at however you want. What i seen was, the patriots had the bills on their heels. Had Newton not fumbled .....i felt great about the patriots chances. Edited November 27, 2020 by Ghost_002!
JGMcD2 Posted November 27, 2020 Posted November 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said: Yea you are free to look at however you want. What i seen was, the patriots had the bills on their heels. Had Newton not fumbled .....i felt great about the patriots chances. Well that’s an opinion. You presented objective data to me and are now disregarding it in favor of your opinion, which is contrary to your whole message board posting code of ethics you laid out for me.
Ghost_002! Posted November 27, 2020 Posted November 27, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said: Well that’s an opinion. You presented objective data to me and are now disregarding it in favor of your opinion, which is contrary to your whole message board posting code of ethics you laid out for me. here we go again........i gave the data for a purpose..because you seem hell bent on wanting to claim I am the pot calling the kettle black. You stated what you felt and how you see it, and i stated how i felt and how i seen it. If it is "coin toss" then i am neither completely right or completely wrong in making my statement then, am I? Edited November 27, 2020 by Ghost_002!
JGMcD2 Posted November 27, 2020 Posted November 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said: here we go again........i gave the data for a purpose..because you seem hell bent on wanting to claim I am the pot calling the kettle black. You stated what you felt and how you see it, and i stated how i felt and how i seen it. If it is "coin toss" then i am neither completely right or completely wrong in making my statement, then am I? No, you’re not understanding how numbers work. I didn’t state how I felt, I asked for objective data in order to properly assess the situation. You provided that data, I analyzed that data and figured out your point was just wrong. You’ve been stating how you’ve felt this whole time and have been trumpeting your opinion as facts. That’s why I asked for objective data, which proved that.
Putin Posted November 27, 2020 Posted November 27, 2020 28 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: To be brief, F "the Patriot Way"!!!!! +1
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