Former Mueller deputy prosecuter says Trump should be investigated/prosecuted by next AG.

[oldmanfan]

Mueller was clear that they would have brought charges if allowed to do so under DOJ policies.  

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

2 minutes ago, WideNine said:

 

I am mildly, but only mildly curious why you try to play folks.

 

You have claimed in posts to be a moderate democrat, but you use quotes from the Q-Anon bible and it's Trump messiah. Then try to pose as being logical and reeasonable to keep stirring the pot.

 

Your comments are in no way indicative of a moderate take on politics and laughably not democratic.

 

Unlike Trump supporters I have found most of the folks here that opposed the man to be far less gullible to this kind of nonsense.

 

We do play along to see if there is a chance that someone is open to reassessing their position, but your compass consistently lurches back to your true North - unyielding Trump worship and conspiracy adherence.

 

 

 

 

 

Normally, when I encounter a poster who reveals a complete intolerance for the opinions of others I put them on ignore and move on.  Normally, when a poster claims to have the deep dark goods on something as important as The Muëller Reportenstrasse, I’m willing to play it out even though any reasonable analysis must include that Mueller spent, Mueller investigated, Mueller he extraordinary police powers, and in the end Mueller rode off into his fading sunset and Trump remained exactly where he was, undaunted, ever forward on to the next ginned up scandal.  
 

I don’t know Ja, have never engaged to any great extent, but I am mildly, mildly curious as to why you  even bother attempting to engage when you always end up at the same point- outraged that someone doesn’t think like you do.  The other day, you played yourself off as a quasi conservative.  Personably, I think you’re full of crap but if you see yourself as such, good for you.  
 

There are thousands of stories of Walk Away Dems —moderates who saw something untoward about accusing a president of something and then screwing the pooch when it came to proving nothing.  To feign ignorance on this subject means you’re truly, well, ignorant, or you’re full of it (again) 
 

I love the reference to “We do play along...”.  That speaks volumes about the communal approach to engaging with posters you and yours take.  

 

[JaCrispy]

42 minutes ago, WideNine said:

 

I am mildly, but only mildly curious why you try to play folks.

 

You have claimed in posts to be a moderate democrat, but you use quotes from the Q-Anon bible and it's Trump messiah. Then try to pose as being logical and reeasonable to keep stirring the pot.

 

Your comments are in no way indicative of a moderate take on politics and laughably not democratic.

 

Unlike Trump supporters I have found most of the folks here that opposed the man to be far less gullible to this kind of nonsense.

 

We do play along to see if there is a chance that someone is open to reassessing their position, but your compass consistently lurches back to your true North - unyielding Trump worship and conspiracy adherence.

 

 

 

 

 

I’m sorry you disagree, but I do no take that info from Q...those accusations come directly from the Republicans who were supposed to certify the vote...
 

I can believe the possibility of the intimidation being true because we have seen that type of behavior from far Left wing groups like Antifa and BLM, who now control much of the Democratic Party...both groups might have been helpful, at one time, but now use threats of violence and intimidation to get their way- which, in my view, is unAmerican...everyone knows it, and true Democrats like myself, to not support that kind of extremism...
 

Liberals are closer to conservatives, in ideology, than the far Left...Liberals believe in the founding- individual liberty, equal opportunity, free enterprise, private property and free speech...the far Left does not...

 

 

4 hours ago, Tiberius said:

You think it should be excusable to let presidents obstruct justice? 

You can use “obstruction of justice” for anything- just like in the impeachment trial...

[TBBills]

54 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

Ya know, I’m growing a little tired of the constant name calling...some say that people who insult other people only do so because they don’t know how to get their point across any other way... I’d like to think you are smarter than that...I have no problem discoursing with you...I just ask that you please refrain from the personal insults...nobody learns anything with that...thanks...

Not really just sucks when people refuse to believe the truth. Like you

 

The right Proud Boys use the same methods you describe but Trump actually likes them b.c they are a racist group who does his bidding without question.

 

You spout off fake bull#### which is no different than insults.

20 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

can believe the possibility of the intimidation being true because we have seen that type of behavior from far Left wing groups like Antifa and BLM, who now control much of the Democratic Party...both groups might have been helpful, at one time, but now use threats of violence and intimidation to get their way- which, in my view, is unAmerican...everyone knows it, and true Democrats like myself, to not support that kind of extremism...

How does anyone take you seriously when you spout off these extremisms from false hilltops as if any of this is true.

 

These stupid comments are insults and disgusting.

 

 

You are as fake as the things you type.

Edited November 26, 2020 by TBBills

[Warcodered]

2 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

Remember those Republicans in Michigan who questioned certifying the vote? The Left threatens people all the time- but people only cry foul when it’s politically beneficial...Continuing to go after Trump is nothing more than sour grapes because he beat the Dem’s golden child, Hillary, and exposed their Deep State corruption...yawn...

That was from what a local zoom meeting, I think that might of more been people angrily reacting to two people trying to suppress their votes than anything.

[JaCrispy]

42 minutes ago, TBBills said:

Not really just sucks when people refuse to believe the truth. Like you

 

The right Proud Boys use the same methods you describe but Trump actually likes them b.c they are a racist group who does his bidding without question.

 

You spout off fake bull#### which is no different than insults.

How does anyone take you seriously when you spout off these extremisms from false hilltops as if any of this is true.

 

These stupid comments are insults and disgusting.

 

 

You are as fake as the things you type.

Well then there you have it...you literally call me names like “idiot” and then justify it by saying that because I say stuff you disagree with, it might as well be the same as calling you names...Lol...congrats...welcome to America’s current political climate, where nobody can talk to anyone who doesn’t hold their same view...👍

[TBBills]

2 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

Well then there you have it...you literally call me names like “idiot” and then justify it by saying that because I say stuff you disagree with, it might as well be the same as calling you names...Lol...congrats...welcome to America’s current political climate, where nobody can talk to anyone who doesn’t hold their same view...👍

This is the definition of you...

 

On top of making grand assumptions of a democratic party b.c of stories you saw on newsmaxtv the entertainment who's only thing is to get you to watch, they do not care about truth.

Edited November 26, 2020 by TBBills

[JaCrispy]

2 minutes ago, TBBills said:

This is the definition of you...

 

On top of making grand assumptions of a democratic party b.c of stories you saw on newsmaxtv the entertainment who's only thing is to get you to watch, they do not care about truth.

I believe you just described the goal of every news media outlet, my friend 👍

[TBBills]

1 minute ago, JaCrispy said:

I believe you just described the goal of every news media outlet, my friend 👍

Wrong real news media outlets have to redact stories proven to be false. NewsmaxTV isn't a real news company so they do not have to do the same.

 

So even when CNN was being stupid they were forced to redact and post on their mistakes. Fox news does the same which is why your kind now hates them b c they cannot just lie without consequences. NewsmaxTV doesn't follow those same rules.

[JaCrispy]

Just now, TBBills said:

Wrong real news media outlets have to redact stories proven to be false. NewsmaxTV isn't a real news company so they do not have to do the same.

 

So even when CNN was being stupid they were forced to redact and post on their mistakes. Fox news does the same which is why your kind now hates them b c they cannot just lie without consequences. NewsmaxTV doesn't follow those same rules.

When was CNN being stupid?

[TBBills]

1 minute ago, JaCrispy said:

When was CNN being stupid?

That is the only question you have? Yea you choose to act like this.

[JaCrispy]

22 minutes ago, TBBills said:

That is the only question you have? Yea you choose to act like this.

No I’m really curious...I didn’t recall them redacting anything, so I was wondering if you had any specifics that you remember...

[Backintheday544]

Mueller already investigated this:

“Our investigation found multiple acts by the President that were capable of exerting undue influence over law enforcement investigations, including the Russian-interference and obstruction investigations,” Mueller wrote. “The incidents were often carried out through one-on-one meetings in which the President sought to use his official power outside of usual channels. These actions ranged from efforts to remove the Special Counsel and to reverse the effect of the Attorney General’s recusal; to the attempted use of official power to limit the scope of the investigation; to direct and indirect contacts with witnesses with the potential to influence their testimony.”

 

He just declined to go forward with prosecution because of DOJ policy. With Trump no longer President, they should finish the investigation to its natural conclusion now that the impediment of Trump being President is gone.

 

[SoTier]

9 hours ago, TBBills said:

Funny you say this b.c it's the exact same thing you should be saying about Trump's attempt at voter fraud.

 

Trump seems like he is out for blood, he won't stop till he finds something, or at least, concoct a narrative that fits their agenda...

 

You are on the fraudulent side looking like an idiot and Trump will leave you to rot once Jan 20th comes. He does it to everyone he knows, so why wouldn't he do it to a bunch of people that don't try hard enough for him in his eyes, and it's funny you refuse to see that.

^^^

4 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

Ya know, I’m growing a little tired of the constant name calling...some say that people who insult other people only do so because they don’t know how to get their point across any other way... I’d like to think you are smarter than that...I have no problem discoursing with you...I just ask that you please refrain from the personal insults...nobody learns anything with that...thanks...

 

TBBills didn't call you any names.   He said you were on "the fraudulent side looking like an idiot".   If you don't want to "look like an idiot", I suggest you stop acting like one. 

• You refuse to face the reality that Trump lost the election both in the Electoral College vote and in the popular vote, and neither was very close.  
• You refuse to accept the word of hundreds of state officials across the country as well as the federal official charged with cyber security that there was no significant or organized election fraud of any kind.  
• You refuse to admit that while Trump and his lapdogs have made all kinds of claims of fraud, they have failed to produce evidence of even a single case of fraud in any court.   

 

[Doc]

9 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

Mueller was clear that they would have brought charges if allowed to do so under DOJ policies.  

 

He replied to a question along those lines on the morning he testified to Congress, but in the afternoon clarified his statement  and said "we did not reach a determination as to whether the president committed a crime."

 

5 hours ago, Backintheday544 said:

Mueller already investigated this:

“Our investigation found multiple acts by the President that were capable of exerting undue influence over law enforcement investigations, including the Russian-interference and obstruction investigations,” Mueller wrote. “The incidents were often carried out through one-on-one meetings in which the President sought to use his official power outside of usual channels. These actions ranged from efforts to remove the Special Counsel and to reverse the effect of the Attorney General’s recusal; to the attempted use of official power to limit the scope of the investigation; to direct and indirect contacts with witnesses with the potential to influence their testimony.”

 

He just declined to go forward with prosecution because of DOJ policy. With Trump no longer President, they should finish the investigation to its natural conclusion now that the impediment of Trump being President is gone.

 

If they were to go forward with the prosecution, and I doubt they will, it won't lead to a conviction.  You can start preparing for the disappointment now.

[GaryPinC]

13 hours ago, Backintheday544 said:

Mueller already investigated this:

“Our investigation found multiple acts by the President that were capable of exerting undue influence over law enforcement investigations, including the Russian-interference and obstruction investigations,” Mueller wrote. “The incidents were often carried out through one-on-one meetings in which the President sought to use his official power outside of usual channels. These actions ranged from efforts to remove the Special Counsel and to reverse the effect of the Attorney General’s recusal; to the attempted use of official power to limit the scope of the investigation; to direct and indirect contacts with witnesses with the potential to influence their testimony.”

 

He just declined to go forward with prosecution because of DOJ policy. With Trump no longer President, they should finish the investigation to its natural conclusion now that the impediment of Trump being President is gone.

 

Just highlighting the important words that show you this was subjective opinion and nothing substantiative. 

 

IIRC, at least once of these incidents was him spouting off to Tillerson, who shot him down and that was the end of it.  Just frustrated bluster.  Also I believe in testimony Mueller stated that the investigation was never obstructed that he knew of.  The left should follow Biden's wisdom and let Trump go on this subject.

 

People here want the right to be open to changing their opinion, then they drag this Mueller report up?

Other than Jr. meeting with the Russian lawyer over potential Hillary dirt there was nothing there.  And totally disingenuous and subjective to cry about it given the Steele dossier and it's role in the FISA violations. 

 

Every American should be deeply concerned about the abuse of the FISA system here.

[Backintheday544]

1 hour ago, GaryPinC said:

Just highlighting the important words that show you this was subjective opinion and nothing substantiative. 

 

IIRC, at least once of these incidents was him spouting off to Tillerson, who shot him down and that was the end of it.  Just frustrated bluster.  Also I believe in testimony Mueller stated that the investigation was never obstructed that he knew of.  The left should follow Biden's wisdom and let Trump go on this subject.

 

People here want the right to be open to changing their opinion, then they drag this Mueller report up?

Other than Jr. meeting with the Russian lawyer over potential Hillary dirt there was nothing there.  And totally disingenuous and subjective to cry about it given the Steele dossier and it's role in the FISA violations. 

 

Every American should be deeply concerned about the abuse of the FISA system here.

Just because Trump was terrible at doing something doesn’t mean a crime wasn’t committed.

 

Trump gathered all the tools caps bale of robbing a bank.

He sought to use these tools to rob a bank.

He made an effort and attempt to rob a bank.

He had the potential to rob the bank.

When trying to rob the bank he proved incompetent and failed.

 

DidTrump break the law of attempted bank robbery?

[keepthefaith]

On 11/25/2020 at 8:38 PM, WideNine said:

...for obstruction to avoid the precedent it set investigating Executive branch - putting the President above the law.

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/527621-mueller-prosecutor-says-next-attorney-general-should-investigate

 

 

 

 

Andrew Weissmann.  🤣🤣🤣

[T master]

 

3 hours ago, GaryPinC said:

Just highlighting the important words that show you this was subjective opinion and nothing substantiative. 

 

IIRC, at least once of these incidents was him spouting off to Tillerson, who shot him down and that was the end of it.  Just frustrated bluster.  Also I believe in testimony Mueller stated that the investigation was never obstructed that he knew of.  The left should follow Biden's wisdom and let Trump go on this subject.

 

People here want the right to be open to changing their opinion, then they drag this Mueller report up?

Other than Jr. meeting with the Russian lawyer over potential Hillary dirt there was nothing there.  And totally disingenuous and subjective to cry about it given the Steele dossier and it's role in the FISA violations. 

 

Every American should be deeply concerned about the abuse of the FISA system here.

 

Yes we should !!

 

And after that it only took 2 yrs and some $32 Mill to figure it out after they found the dossier to be paid for and then fake but that still didn't stop anything . Go figure ...

 

I wish that the kid in the movie that wished his dad couldn't lie any more would wish that upon the gov't man wouldn't that be must watch TV . Neither side would be left standing .

[GaryPinC]

2 hours ago, Backintheday544 said:

Just because Trump was terrible at doing something doesn’t mean a crime wasn’t committed.

 

Trump gathered all the tools caps bale of robbing a bank.

He sought to use these tools to rob a bank.

He made an effort and attempt to rob a bank.

He had the potential to rob the bank.

When trying to rob the bank he proved incompetent and failed.

 

DidTrump break the law of attempted bank robbery?

No.  Trump talked about robbing a bank.  It appears he may have been engaged in some activities to support a plan to rob the bank but in the end the bank itself said they were never robbed.

 

I understand it appears different to me than you, but at the end of the day do you really believe it's worth the time, money, and effort to try and prove beyond a doubt Trump subjectively crossed a line and committed a

crime?  

 

Honestly after all the money and effort spent on the report, suspicion of or attempted obstruction was the best they could do to appease the left and show some kind of result.

 

I get that Trump is a slime ball but let SDNY take him out, it's the best chance.  Stop wasting the nation's time trying to split hairs on him.