Process Posted November 25, 2020 Posted November 25, 2020 Jackson won't be a starter in 3 years Mayfield blows Tua...verdict is still out obviously but I really think he ends up being a bust, I just don't think he has it Burrow we likely won't see until 2022, hopefully he can have a full recovery 1
Bronxbomber21 Posted November 25, 2020 Posted November 25, 2020 1 hour ago, YattaOkasan said: Any thought on if Darnold finds a home in the NFC and turns it around? That would balance it out better. Sure the bears would love to have him. I think the cowboys should've traded for Darnold when they had the chance. We could've seen what he could do with talent around him on the o-line and at Wr.
BillsFan619 Posted November 25, 2020 Posted November 25, 2020 4 hours ago, Hebert19 said: Has anyone taken the time to look at the AFC vs NFC young GOOD QBs? There are like 10 QBs that allen will be battling for the next 10 years. Mahomes Jackson Burrows Herbert Tua Lawrence (likely) Watson Mayfield Plus relatively young guys like Carr and Tannehill. Meanwhile in NFC...you got potential busts like Haskins and Jones. Old timers like brees Brady and rogers. Soon to he older like Wilson Stafford and Ryan. What is there for young and GOOD? Murray? Dak if he ever comes back the same. It is a huge discrepancy between future of AFC and NFC. Cap management is going to be key to keep us competitive. I get what you’re saying. We finally have our guy but there’s potentially going to always be steep competition in our conference. That said, it’s nice to finally have our guy and to have fans of other teams feel the same way about our QB.
JoshAllenReceipts Posted November 25, 2020 Posted November 25, 2020 7 minutes ago, Bronxbomber21 said: I think the cowboys should've traded for Darnold when they had the chance. We could've seen what he could do with talent around him on the o-line and at Wr. Darnold sucks. Darnold had Robby Anderson last season and could not connect at all on the deep ball. The Jets were so disgusted with Darnold's poor play that they purposely let Robby walk and are tanking because they gave up on Darnold before the season even began. Robby Anderson goes to Carolina and lights it up with Teddy B. Robby is having a career year away from Darnold. Darnold is nothing but a Liability and a Terrible QB. Stop talking about Darnold like he has any hope of ever being good - He doesn't, not for any NFL team. 1
BreezeMafia Posted November 25, 2020 Posted November 25, 2020 I agree with this thread. Additionally, including this year and coming years, the AFC as a conference top to bottom is going continue to grow stronger and stronger vs the NFC.
H2o Posted November 25, 2020 Posted November 25, 2020 9 hours ago, Charles Romes said: I have Watson as a top 15 qb but not super elite He’s too immobile and he’s kind of a Bledsoe back there. Doesn’t sense the rush all that well. His teams will always have to shell out franchise tackle money. His career sack percentage is poor. Uhhhhhh, yeah, just like Bledsoe. 1
Straight Hucklebuck Posted November 25, 2020 Posted November 25, 2020 10 hours ago, TBBills said: Why is Tua and Burrow on there? Even Lawrence we wont know for a while. Lawerence is the consensus best QB prospect since Luck in 2012. Burrow proved he belonged, but I agree with others who have stated he might never be the same. If it was a clean ACL tear, that’d be one thing. Tua, for sure it’s too early to tell. He has looked limited in two games out of 4 so far.
TBBills Posted November 25, 2020 Posted November 25, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Lawerence is the consensus best QB prospect since Luck in 2012. Burrow proved he belonged, but I agree with others who have stated he might never be the same. If it was a clean ACL tear, that’d be one thing. Tua, for sure it’s too early to tell. He has looked limited in two games out of 4 so far. Yea and we saw what happened to Luck... Unless the Jets Owner all the sudden knows how to pick a GM/HC chances of Lawrence being good go down with every Jets loss. They really have a long way with that team and need to get super lucky. Edited November 25, 2020 by TBBills
Kwai San Posted November 25, 2020 Posted November 25, 2020 6 hours ago, JoshAllenReceipts said: Darnold sucks. Darnold had Robby Anderson last season and could not connect at all on the deep ball. The Jets were so disgusted with Darnold's poor play that they purposely let Robby walk and are tanking because they gave up on Darnold before the season even began. Robby Anderson goes to Carolina and lights it up with Teddy B. Robby is having a career year away from Darnold. Darnold is nothing but a Liability and a Terrible QB. Stop talking about Darnold like he has any hope of ever being good - He doesn't, not for any NFL team. Thanks for that....I have ALWAYS thought the same. From time to time he will get a lil hot but all in all.....not so much.
mannc Posted November 25, 2020 Posted November 25, 2020 7 hours ago, Bronxbomber21 said: I think the cowboys should've traded for Darnold when they had the chance. We could've seen what he could do with talent around him on the o-line and at Wr. Darnold was surrounded with plenty of talent at USC. He still stunk. I cannot understand why this guy was ever viewed as a good QB prospect. As I recall, he had a few good games as a redshirt freshman and people went crazy and ignored the rest of the body of work. That being said, it would not surprise me if some team is still dumb enough to give the Jets a 3rd round pick for him.
SoCal Deek Posted November 25, 2020 Posted November 25, 2020 Everybody can flame on this post if they want but it is actually pretty interesting to see how things have evolved...especially with Brady moving over to the NFC. The NFC is looking pretty long in the tooth with Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Ryan, Stafford, even Alex Smith now starting. In the AFC we have Big Ben and Rivers on their way out and a long list of young QBs coming up. I’ve got to imagine we’ll see quite a bit of turnover in the NFC in the years ahead.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 25, 2020 Posted November 25, 2020 11 hours ago, Hebert19 said: Has anyone taken the time to look at the AFC vs NFC young GOOD QBs? There are like 10 QBs that allen will be battling for the next 10 years. Mahomes Jackson Burrows Herbert Tua Lawrence (likely) Watson Mayfield Plus relatively young guys like Carr and Tannehill. Meanwhile in NFC...you got potential busts like Haskins and Jones. Old timers like brees Brady and rogers. Soon to he older like Wilson Stafford and Ryan. What is there for young and GOOD? Murray? Dak if he ever comes back the same. It is a huge discrepancy between future of AFC and NFC. Cap management is going to be key to keep us competitive. I see one definite passing QB candidate and 1 or 2 other likely candidates that you listed that has shown us success. Curious .... Why did you omit Kyler Murray? Faker Mayfield. Said to be better than Josh, may be around for a while. Deshaun Watson has shown success. when the GH/HC doesn't take away your best weapons. Lamar may not be a starter for long unless he becomes a passing QB who can thrive when the run isn't there. AKA Make him a QB. the others need to PROVE it over the next 2 or 3 years Just like Josh had to improve from year 1 to year 2 to year 3. I've seen some good in Burrow and wish him well. I've seen some good in Herbert and wish him well. I've seen very little in Tua but hype.
timekills17 Posted November 25, 2020 Posted November 25, 2020 13 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: I see one definite passing QB candidate and 1 or 2 other likely candidates that you listed that has shown us success. Curious .... Why did you omit Kyler Murray? Faker Mayfield. Said to be better than Josh, may be around for a while. Deshaun Watson has shown success. when the GH/HC doesn't take away your best weapons. Lamar may not be a starter for long unless he becomes a passing QB who can thrive when the run isn't there. AKA Make him a QB. the others need to PROVE it over the next 2 or 3 years Just like Josh had to improve from year 1 to year 2 to year 3. I've seen some good in Burrow and wish him well. I've seen some good in Herbert and wish him well. I've seen very little in Tua but hype. Ref. Murray: not to speak for OP, but he was listing the AFC's young guns. Murray certainly is an heir apparent to the old folks home that is the NFC quarterback club. If I have to pick the one that scares me, it's Herbert. Where a lot of teams have gone wrong (Bengals, Jets among others) vs right (KC, Buffalo, sort of Baltimore) is not providing their new QB with a good O line and targets. (Baltimore is a little weak on WRs, but has a good O line, and had a good TE corps with the ability to stretch the field with Hollywood, so I say "sort of" but he was still in a good position to succeed.) Herbert has neither, really, and is still lighting it up. His TD to turnover ratio is better than JA17's this year - it's quite impressive. Yes, he has one phenomenal possession receiver, getting...~70% of the targets. Yet he is near the top of QBs in AYA, long pass completion, QBR when under pressure and when not,. He does equally well out of play-action and when not play-action and his RB1 has been down most of the year with bottom four YPA in rushing. His O-line is mediocre at best, and arguably worse. Get him another good speed receiver and a LT and center...hoo boy.
mannc Posted November 25, 2020 Posted November 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, timekills17 said: Ref. Murray: not to speak for OP, but he was listing the AFC's young guns. Murray certainly is an heir apparent to the old folks home that is the NFC quarterback club. If I have to pick the one that scares me, it's Herbert. Where a lot of teams have gone wrong (Bengals, Jets among others) vs right (KC, Buffalo, sort of Baltimore) is not providing their new QB with a good O line and targets. (Baltimore is a little weak on WRs, but has a good O line, and had a good TE corps with the ability to stretch the field with Hollywood, so I say "sort of" but he was still in a good position to succeed.) Herbert has neither, really, and is still lighting it up. His TD to turnover ratio is better than JA17's this year - it's quite impressive. Yes, he has one phenomenal possession receiver, getting...~70% of the targets. Yet he is near the top of QBs in AYA, long pass completion, QBR when under pressure and when not,. He does equally well out of play-action and when not play-action and his RB1 has been down most of the year with bottom four YPA in rushing. His O-line is mediocre at best, and arguably worse. Get him another good speed receiver and a LT and center...hoo boy. Herbert has also had to overcome awful coaching... 1
NoSaint Posted November 25, 2020 Posted November 25, 2020 (edited) 12 hours ago, Hebert19 said: Has anyone taken the time to look at the AFC vs NFC young GOOD QBs? There are like 10 QBs that allen will be battling for the next 10 years. Mahomes Jackson Burrows Herbert Tua Lawrence (likely) Watson Mayfield Plus relatively young guys like Carr and Tannehill. Meanwhile in NFC...you got potential busts like Haskins and Jones. Old timers like brees Brady and rogers. Soon to he older like Wilson Stafford and Ryan. What is there for young and GOOD? Murray? Dak if he ever comes back the same. It is a huge discrepancy between future of AFC and NFC. Cap management is going to be key to keep us competitive. to be fair, a few of these young unproven guys probably level out similar to Goff or Wentz in the nfc (if tua even gets there). And tannehill isn’t exactly scary. Edited November 25, 2020 by NoSaint
SCBills Posted November 25, 2020 Posted November 25, 2020 (edited) Really not worried about anyone on that list, except for what could become, a routine match up in the playoffs against the Mahomes-led Chiefs. If I had to put QB's to watch, it would be Herbert and Lawrence, but we haven't seen Herbert have to counter-punch yet and who knows what Lawrence is in the NFL - especially if taken by the Jets. Edited November 25, 2020 by SCBills
LABILLBACKER Posted November 25, 2020 Posted November 25, 2020 Mahomes is the only one that matters. I would rank Herbert 2nd based on what we've seen. I think Lamar and Baker will flame out. Not a big enough sample size from Tua & Lawrence. Watson is older and his best shot was last year. If the Bills retool their defense, I can easily see Josh batting with Mahomes & Herbert for years.
Albany,n.y. Posted November 25, 2020 Posted November 25, 2020 Daniel Jones is not a bust like Haskins is. Jones will never be a franchise QB, but he can be a solid starter a team can win with. I doubt the poster who called Jones a bust sees the Giants much if at all. I get to see the Giants whenever they don't conflict with the Bills, since we get every Giants game in Albany & Jones just needs to learn not to turn the ball over. He fumbles too much but that can be fixed. Tiki Barber used to fumble early in his career & he fixed it. So can Danny Dimes, who I'm confident enough in this week to use the Giants as my suicide pool pick.
prissythecat Posted November 25, 2020 Posted November 25, 2020 13 hours ago, Hebert19 said: Has anyone taken the time to look at the AFC vs NFC young GOOD QBs? There are like 10 QBs that allen will be battling for the next 10 years. Mahomes Jackson Burrows Herbert Tua Lawrence (likely) Watson Mayfield Plus relatively young guys like Carr and Tannehill. Meanwhile in NFC...you got potential busts like Haskins and Jones. Old timers like brees Brady and rogers. Soon to he older like Wilson Stafford and Ryan. What is there for young and GOOD? Murray? Dak if he ever comes back the same. It is a huge discrepancy between future of AFC and NFC. Cap management is going to be key to keep us competitive. The only QB on that list that anyone should be scared about on a regular basis right now is Mahomes. Jackson has been figured out. Burrows won't even play until 2022 at this stage due to the nature of his injury. Herbert has shown some flashes but has only played a few games. Have you watched Tua? This guy hasn't been a factor in the Dolphins wins and was benched for Fitz. Watson hasn't looked very good this season and perhaps was overly propped up by arguably the best receiver in NFL. Mayfield's play has regressed since his rookie year. Carr and Tannehill? Meh/
Success Posted November 25, 2020 Posted November 25, 2020 32 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said: Daniel Jones is not a bust like Haskins is. Jones will never be a franchise QB, but he can be a solid starter a team can win with. I doubt the poster who called Jones a bust sees the Giants much if at all. I get to see the Giants whenever they don't conflict with the Bills, since we get every Giants game in Albany & Jones just needs to learn not to turn the ball over. He fumbles too much but that can be fixed. Tiki Barber used to fumble early in his career & he fixed it. So can Danny Dimes, who I'm confident enough in this week to use the Giants as my suicide pool pick. The Giants aren't very well-constructed right now. They have some good skill players, but overall, they aren't very strong in the trenches. I really like what I've seen out of Jones. He's inconsistent, but when he's on, he's very good. They just need to build up the O-line to give him some more time, but he could be the starter there for many years.
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