Flores: Tua benched, not hurt

[JGMcD2]

Pretty wild how much easier it was for them to move the ball with Fitzpatrick at QB. 
 

Tua will start next week against the Jets and should look fine/get the win. Same thing with the Bengals.

 

Games against KC, NE, LV and Buffalo will be a much different story. Going to be a tough stretch for him... if the defense doesn’t bail him out like they did against AZ and LA then it’s probably best to start Fitzpatrick. 

[JohnNord]

4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

What do you see as their long-term plan?

 

If they think Tua is the guy, how is it  consistent with a long-range plan to yank him?

 

 

It was an odd move considering it was only a 10 point game at the time of the move.  It eminded me of all those times over the past two seasons when Josh struggled and fans would demand Matt Barkley.  It was explained ad naseum why you don’t pull your rookie QB.  Flores literally did it!  It just seems like a quick shortsighted move

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Just now, JohnNord said:

It was an odd move considering it was only a 10 point game at the time of the move.  It eminded me of all those times over the past two seasons when Josh struggled and fans would demand Matt Barkley.  It was explained ad naseum why you don’t pull your rookie QB.  Flores literally did it!  It just seems like a quick shortsighted move

 

As I said in the shoutbox, maybe it is possible to both develop your rookie QB AND to pursue wins.  But I think there's probably good reason why coaches do either or, not both.

 

Fitzy said all the right things about it:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30368504/miami-dolphins-ryan-fitzpatrick-replaces-tua-tagovailoa-qb-4th-quarter-vs-denver-broncos

After the game, Fitzpatrick resumed his mentor role with Tagovailoa, making it clear there won't be a quarterback controversy moving forward.

"It's very clear that this is Tua's team. Tua is going to continue to get better and grow," said Fitzpatrick, who finished 12-of-18 passing for 117 yards and that interception. "For me, my defined role is whatever the team needs out of me. ... There's no controversy. This is his team. He's going to lead this team and continue to lead the team. We just got to pull in the right direction and get everybody to continue to get better."

 

I don't see how there can help but be controversy no matter how careful Fitz is not to generate or feed it.  The guys were playing well with Fitz in there at the start of the season, if Tua gets pulled for Fitz who then moves the team when Tua can't, how can the WR and TE and OL help but notice and be like "why don't we just start with this guy then?"

[BananaB]

Well that didn’t take long.  Flores is buying into the hype of his team and making dumb decisions. Us Bills fans know you can’t do it all with just your D, especially now in todays NFL.... You decided to do what’s best for your team in the future, it’s not all gonna go as planned but you gotta stick with your guy. 

Edited November 23, 2020 by BananaB

[Hapless Bills Fan]

20 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

Pretty wild how much easier it was for them to move the ball with Fitzpatrick at QB. 
 

Tua will start next week against the Jets and should look fine/get the win. Same thing with the Bengals.

 

Games against KC, NE, LV and Buffalo will be a much different story. Going to be a tough stretch for him... if the defense doesn’t bail him out like they did against AZ and LA then it’s probably best to start Fitzpatrick. 

 

I'm not so sure you're right about the Jets.  The Jets D, I think, is about on the same level as the Broncs D is this year (I know that's surprising).  They've been hampered by offensive turnovers and lack of offensive productivity as well as by stupid undisciplined penalties.  But in addition to being a scum, I think Greg Williams is a pretty good play designer and his D is probably as well able to confuse a rookie QB as Denvers is. 

 

It's possible that defensive and ST takeaways may give him enough field position not to matter.  But what if Tua struggles and can't move the ball and is taking a lot of sacks?  Will Flores get the hook out again?  Will it be on Tua's mind that the hook is waiting?

 

Without Burrows especially, yeah, Bengals should be a rout and yeah, KC, NE and LV are going to be a challenge.  KC and LV both have good Ds despite what it looked like tonight, and Belichek is the Jedi Master of confusing young QB

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:

I still think it was somewhat injury or precautionary because that last sack from Chubb was right on the surgically repaired HIP. And I could have SWORE I saw Tua grab his hip after the sack. 
 

now Flores will never mention that Hip in a setting like we took him out because he had some pain in his hip on that last sack. 

 

 

 

Yeah I think they have to be concerned with the hits he was taking.

 

Earlier in the week Tua basically said he didn't know if he would ever be the same player he used to be physically.

 

And today we saw that.

 

He doesn't move well.........there were plays where MOST young QB's can get away from the rush or get to the edge running the ball.......but Tua........who used to be quick and fast.......couldn't.

 

The biggest concern with him was obviously that he has had a myriad of ankle/knee/hip issues...........I mean it was thought by many that they would basically redshirt him this year to get his hip as healthy as possible..........so I wouldn't be very surprised to see them go back to that plan.

[mannc]

Every week I’m more thankful that the Dolphins passed on Justin Herbert...

[Big Blitz]

16 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

As I said in the shoutbox, maybe it is possible to both develop your rookie QB AND to pursue wins.  But I think there's probably good reason why coaches do either or, not both.

 

Fitzy said all the right things about it:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30368504/miami-dolphins-ryan-fitzpatrick-replaces-tua-tagovailoa-qb-4th-quarter-vs-denver-broncos

After the game, Fitzpatrick resumed his mentor role with Tagovailoa, making it clear there won't be a quarterback controversy moving forward.

"It's very clear that this is Tua's team. Tua is going to continue to get better and grow," said Fitzpatrick, who finished 12-of-18 passing for 117 yards and that interception. "For me, my defined role is whatever the team needs out of me. ... There's no controversy. This is his team. He's going to lead this team and continue to lead the team. We just got to pull in the right direction and get everybody to continue to get better."

 

 

 

Fitz is just one of the best humans to ever play the game. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

 

Yeah I think they have to be concerned with the hits he was taking.

 

Earlier in the week Tua basically said he didn't know if he would ever be the same player he used to be physically.

 

And today we saw that.

 

He doesn't move well.........there were plays where MOST young QB's can get away from the rush or get to the edge running the ball.......but Tua........who used to be quick and fast.......couldn't.

 

The biggest concern with him was obviously that he has had a myriad of ankle/knee/hip issues...........I mean it was thought by many that they would basically redshirt him this year to get his hip as healthy as possible..........so I wouldn't be very surprised to see them go back to that plan.

 

It wasn't a bad plan.  It wouldn't be a bad plan to go back to.  But that's not what Flores says his plan is going to be.

 

What was it McDermott said to Josh on the sideline of a preseason game: "Sooner or later you're going to get the crap beaten out of you".  He said it in a very matter of fact way, because it's true.  Sooner or later every QB is going to get the crap beaten out of him.  So if Tua has to be protected from that....I dunno about his longevity

[mannc]

2 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

He was the consensus #1 overall pick before he got injured. Even with a broken hip he was a top 10 pick.

 

 

Meaningless.  Same was true of Sam Darnold, and he blows.  Just be thankful that the Dolphins picked an undersized, injury-prone QB who was handed the keys to an insanely talented Alabama offense.

[Putin]

1 minute ago, Gene1973 said:

This move just makes it seem like if Houston's pick is top 5 the Dolphins are already thinking about picking a QB... 

lets hope Houston gets on a little winning streak 

Just now, mannc said:

Meaningless.  Same was true of Sam Darnold, and he blows.  Just be thankful that the Dolphins picked an undersized, injury-prone QB who was handed the keys to an insanely talented Alabama offense.

Exactly ^^^^ glad Herbert is in LA

 

[Putin]

Good thing Fitzy won few games last year to help Miami not picking Burrow 

[Nitro]

Flores won with defense and not having to rely on Tua.  Fact is the kid is not ready.  Sit him down and see how he does in practice this week

[Da webster guy]

4 hours ago, DollaBills said:

Imagine completely crapping on Fitz and moving forward with Tua abruptly and then completely depending on Fitz to bail you out later

Tua was the 5th overall pick.  Bringing him in after a handful of games when you think he's ready isn't crapping on Fitz at all. 

 

I like this Flores guy.  Good mix of tough old school and innovator.  His team needed a spark and he acted.

 

Here's a quote

 

Fitz: "It's very clear this is Tua's team. For me, my defined role is whatever the team needs out of me."

 

 

 

[Putin]

Just now, Nitro said:

Flores won with defense and not having to rely on Tua.  Fact is the kid is not ready.  Sit him down and see how he does in practice this week

Don’t give them any good ideas , keep Fitzy on the bench , Miami is a much better offense with Fitzy 

1 minute ago, Da webster guy said:

Tua was the 5th overall pick.  Bringing him in after a handful of games when you think he's ready isn't crapping on Fitz at all. 

 

I like this Flores guy.  Good mix of tough old school and innovator.  His team needed a spark and he acted.

 

Here's a quote

 

Fitz: "It's very clear this is Tua's team. For me, my defined role is whatever the team needs out of me."

 

 

 

All that says is Fitz is a class act 

[Da webster guy]

4 hours ago, The Firebaugh Kid said:

Terrible coaching to mess with the kids confidence this early in his career. 

 

Great coaching in my opinion.  The kid was flat as hell and the Broncos werent prepped for Fitz. 

 

Tua is plenty confident, he's learning a tough job in a process that takes years.  

[Putin]

Not to crap on the kid and I know it’s still early but so far looks like Miami made a wrong choice , 

1 minute ago, Da webster guy said:

 

Great coaching in my opinion.  The kid was flat as hell and the Broncos werent prepped for Fitz. 

 

Tua is plenty confident, he's learning a tough job in a process that takes years.  

Well looking at Burrows and Herbert seems like they’re doing pretty good 

[Da webster guy]

3 minutes ago, Putin said:

Not to crap on the kid and I know it’s still early but so far looks like Miami made a wrong choice , 

Well looking at Burrows and Herbert seems like they’re doing pretty good 

Yeah they both look amazing.  Dont know which i'd rather have but Herbert has a better surrounding cast.

 

They could both end up being franchise guys for sure.  Heard a radio guy say Burrow sitting out the rest of this season might help more than it seems now that he can observe and learn from a different perspective and next year they can protect him better and sign some WR's.

[ganesh]

8 hours ago, DollaBills said:

Imagine completely crapping on Fitz and moving forward with Tua abruptly and then completely depending on Fitz to bail you out later

shows a lack of conviction by the coaching staff....I am glad McDermott persisted with Josh in his rookie year when he was healthy

2 hours ago, Putin said:

Not to crap on the kid and I know it’s still early but so far looks like Miami made a wrong choice , 

Well looking at Burrows and Herbert seems like they’re doing pretty good 

The Dolphins don't really have a good supporting cast for Tua.  THey will get better in a hurry next season when they have that Bounty from Houston available to them

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

9 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

Well, he’s a tiny human, it’s gonna  as take three games to get to 300... 

"That did it!  It's go time!"