Flores: Tua benched, not hurt

[Scott7975]

I thought it was a poor decision to bench Fitz in the first place.  It was an even worse decision to pull Tua today.  They shouldn't pull a QB because he isnt playing well.  Thats just bad coaching.  It's not fair to do that to anyone on the team.  You either send the signal that you are playing to win or you tell your team you are developing a QB no matter what happens.  Can't have it both ways.

[JoPoy88]

19 minutes ago, QLBillsFan said:

The argument to play Tua is to see his potential. All the while trying to win the AFC East ? Illogical to evaluate him during season vs the 2nd best QB in draft. When Herbert was the pick. Dolphins will regret that pick and it will follow GM and coach of year. 

Herbert looks extremely good so far. Again, as with Tua, I am hesitant to judge any of them this early. People did that with Allen and look what happened. The rocket TD herbert threw to Allen today tho...👀👀👀

1 minute ago, Scott7975 said:

I thought it was a poor decision to bench Fitz in the first place.  It was an even worse decision to pull Tua today.  They shouldn't pull a QB because he isnt playing well.  Thats just bad coaching.  It's not fair to do that to anyone on the team.  You either send the signal that you are playing to win or you tell your team you are developing a QB no matter what happens.  Can't have it both ways.

so maybe there are chinks in the armor of “coach of the year” Flores you say? 🤔

[That's No Moon]

2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Remember that week 17 game he brought the jets to Buffalo and they had to win to get in the playoffs and the bills were playing for nothing and Fitz futzed

I do. Doesn't mean I want to see him in that situation again. I can't think of a QB in the league who is more of a flip a coin player than him and I'm not interested in having a guy that I know can show up and throw for 400 yards totally out of the blue like he can. I'd rather see a rookie who has never played in that stadium before in what will likely be less than ideal conditions come out and try to win.

[QLBillsFan]

Just now, JoPoy88 said:

Herbert looks extremely good so far. Again, as with Tua, I am hesitant to judge any of them this early. People did that with Allen and look what happened. The rocket TD herbert threw to Allen today tho...👀👀👀

Very true. I’m not judging Tua yet but I think Herbert has already shown a lot. He has many more weapons but he’s close to JA in year one. Tua needs more help but I’m seeing him limited in part because he does not have the elite arm strength of Herbert or JA. The narrative on Tua was he would elite and as of yet I haven’t seen it. JA was called garage since day one and has earned respect. Tua  may but he has a long way to go. 

[That's No Moon]

9 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Me too, and if the Bills are who we think they are that won't happen because we'll take care of business from next Sunday until then

Which team are they? The team that is one very unfortunate play from being 8-2 or the team that is two very fortunate plays away from being 5-5?

[Mat68]

I dont see in any way Buffalo loses to Miami.  Only way Bills lose is if the game is meaningless for seeding.

[billsfan89]

41 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Scary predicament to be in. Kyler Murray probably set a precedent here

 

Its pretty advantageous for the Fins to be able to see what Tua has for 10+ games and see if you need to cut your losses or not. Esp since it isn't their pick. 

[QLBillsFan]

Just now, billsfan89 said:

 

Its pretty advantageous for the Fins to be able to see what Tua has for 10+ games and see if you need to cut your losses or not. Esp since it isn't their pick. 

Why is it not their pick ? Meaning that can just take a flyer on the Texans pick. Wow I would think they feel the pick post trade is part of their future and really important. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

11 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Exactly. I liked the switch when he went to Tua. The Dolphins have Houston's pick which is possible QB range so they may as well see what they have in Tua cos the rest of the team is almost there as the winning run showed. If you have just struck out on the QB pick you can have a do-over in April. But when you make that move you have to know you are sacrificing short term success to find out. Once you make it you can't flip flop halfway through a game that is getting away IMO.

 

Agree. 

 

It's the 2004  Giants with Kurt Warner and Eli Manning.  The Giants were 5-4 when they benched Warner for Manning and arguably could have contended for a playoff spot.  Two 8-8 teams got wild card slots in the NFC that season.  Instead the Giants won only 1 more game.  But the Giants took the long view and started Manning.  Next year they went 11-5 and 3 years later won the Superbowl. 

This is football, not IHOP.   There should be no waffles.

[QLBillsFan]

Picking a QB with Texans first would be an indictment of what a bad miss they made with Herbert. So 2 for 1 on QB’s and hope #2 is better than Herbert. Yet could have had Herbert and maybe the most explosive play maker in draft. Yikes I’m glad we have Beane. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

10 minutes ago, That's No Moon said:

Which team are they? The team that is one very unfortunate play from being 8-2 or the team that is two very fortunate plays away from being 5-5?

 

You think your own thoughts, Sir.  I think they're a good gritty team.  If they are, they'll take care of business.

[InEnemyTerritory]

53 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Scary predicament to be in. Kyler Murray probably set a precedent here

Tua hasn't been a world beater but he's been nowhere near as bad as Right Josh.  Giving up on him for anyone in this draft other than Sunshine himself would be a colossal mistake.

15 minutes ago, That's No Moon said:

Which team are they? The team that is one very unfortunate play from being 8-2 or the team that is two very fortunate plays away from being 5-5?

Every team, at the end of the season, is 3-4 fortunate/unfortunate plays from being great or being bad.  You are what your record says you are IMO (barring some exceptions, e.g. the Chargers many of the recent years)

[GunnerBill]

13 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Agree. 

 

It's the 2004  Giants with Kurt Warner and Eli Manning.  The Giants were 5-4 when they benched Warner for Manning and arguably could have contended for a playoff spot.  Two 8-8 teams got wild card slots in the NFC that season.  Instead the Giants won only 1 more game.  But the Giants took the long view and started Manning.  Next year they went 11-5 and 3 years later won the Superbowl. 

This is football, not IHOP.   There should be no waffles.

 

He will never admit it but I suspect when Flores reflects on this he will think "I got that wrong." 

[QLBillsFan]

Correct if they drafted him over Herbert with this regime I think they play it out. Cards got new coach, Flores was part of decision. This talk of drafting QB given that makes no sense. 

[bobobonators]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

And this will be the beginning of the end for Flores and the Dolphins. You cant start flip flopping like this.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

28 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Remember that week 17 game he brought the jets to Buffalo and they had to win to get in the playoffs and the bills were playing for nothing and Fitz futzed

 

My buddy was so jazzed about beating NE week 16. I said - they're going to lose to buffalo next week.  Just wait. It will happen.

[dollars 2 donuts]

38 minutes ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said:

 

Exactly.  You either play the short game and make a run at the playoffs with Fitz or play the long game and develop Tua as well as you can.  Playing out this game today would probably have benefited Tua more than the 3 prior wins combined.

 

35 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

It was a complete fail to bench him. 
We’re not talking a peterman meltdown where you HAVE to get him out of the game. They basically just created a media frenzy that’ll drive the whole team nuts now this week. On top of the fact guys like Parker have to prefer Fitz who gives them more opportunities to make plays. 

 

Yes, yes.  Couldn’t agree with you guys more. What’s past is prologue, but today...that was just a mistake on Flores’ part.  His eyes were bigger than his stomach.  You made the move, so ride your horse to the end, and get him that experience of what was going on in that game.

[JoPoy88]

10 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

He will never admit it but I suspect when Flores reflects on this he will think "I got that wrong." 

Exactly. And here’s my (admittedly, very thin) theory on this - maybe Fitz still has a better grasp on the full playbook than Tua? I know, by week 11 even a rookie should know the whole playbook and gameplan but I am just speculating here. Otherwise why take him out outside of pure desperation? Flores doesn’t seem like the type of coach to do that.

[SCBills]

Tua just doesn’t have “it”. 
 

He might be average-decent for a good while, but I didn’t care when they drafted him, and don’t care now.  
 

He has no elite traits and is injury prone.  
 

He has a quick release and is pretty accurate,  but that only gets you so far.   

[Freddie's Dead]

You can't dick around your starting QB.  Flores will lose the team if he keeps doing that.

Edited November 23, 2020 by Freddie's Dead